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    Tim Muma

    Finding a productive, long-term option at third base is essential for the Milwaukee Brewers to create consistent offensive success. The free agent market and trade block lacks tried-and-true bats at the hot corner, meaning GM Matt Arnold likely needs to take a chance via trade for a young, unproven third baseman.

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    The Milwaukee Brewers have had short spurts of quality bats at third base in the past two decades. Travis Shaw in 2017-2018 was a bit of a surprise, while Aramis Ramirez offered solid production for most of his four seasons. Otherwise, the hot corner has been chiefly a revolving door with no young prospects or veteran staples to be "the guy."

    Milwaukee's 2022 offense improved from the previous season but lacked the true upper-level talent that clubs ride into the postseason. It was especially necessary for the Brewers last season as their stellar pitching suffered injuries and regression. Third base wasn't a barren wasteland, but relying on Luis Urias and Jace Peterson (with a dash of Mike Brosseau) didn't inspire greatness.

    The problem with upgrading the position in 2023 and beyond is a lack of options, at least for proven commodities. The free agent class is underwhelming at best, and a few players who might have been available are now off-limits. Nolan Arenado opted into his deal and is staying put in St. Louis. Jose Ramirez signed a long-term extension with Cleveland in April. Rafael Devers has one year left on his contract in Boston, so it's unlikely the Brewers will pay a high price for a rental. That leads to a different focus on the trade market.

    A handful of prospects and recently-promoted third basemen could be had for the right return. A couple players could require an elite arm, while others might need some creativity to swing a deal. Either way, Milwaukee should check in on these five third basemen.

    Josh Jung - Texas Rangers - 24 years old
    Jung was the Rangers' top prospect and saw 102 MLB plate appearances last season. His .654 OPS and 39:4 strikeout-to-walk ratio disappointed many, but it's just growing pains. Jung had a .326/.398/.592 (.990) slash line in 2021 between Double-A and Triple-A with 19 homers in 78 games. Scouts rate his hit tool at a 60-grade (20-80 scale) level, and his strong arm with average defense should be good enough at third to hold it down for a while.

    As you can imagine, pulling Jung from the Rangers would take a tantalizing player or package. Jung could be one of the guys that convinces the Brewers to trade Brandon Woodruff or Corbin Burnes if Texas included additional players.

    Curtis Mead - Tampa Bay Rays - 22 years old
    The Rays' second-best prospect has less power than Jung but has impressive plate discipline and bat control. Another 60-grade hitter, he posted a .390 OBP and .922 OPS in the minors last year (Double-A and Triple-A). Some see Mead moving to second base due to his weaker arm, though his offense would be a plus there. 

    There's more uncertainty with Mead's future value, so Tampa might be willing to move him for a reasonable price. The Rays also currently have veteran third baseman Yandy Diaz in tow. At 31 years old and due to make around $5 million in arbitration, Tampa may be more likely to shop Diaz and keep Mead (which could also work for the Brewers).

    Joe Perez - Houston Astros - 23 years old
    Perez sits as the Astros' ninth prospect, and his hit tool ranks lower (45) than the others. However, his raw power and bat speed can make up for his struggles to connect as often. There are some concerns over his dip in home runs last season (seven in 83 games), though some believe it is a speed bump. His arm injuries and less-than-ideal range mean third base is a short-term spot.

    Perez's arm issue and inconsistent bat could make Houston more apt to deal for a modest return. Milwaukee might only be keen on the risk involved if the cost was minimal.

    Mark Vientos - New York Mets - 22 years old
    The Mets' number seven prospect started six games as the DH for the big league club in 2022. Vientos is another big-time power bat who blasted 49 home runs the past two seasons, mostly in Triple-A. He does have a proneness to whiff but still hit .280 with an OBP over .350 across 2021 and 2022. While his arm plays well at third, his glove and athleticism are below standard.

    New York has Brett Baty (number two prospect) ready to play the hot corner and Pete Alonso at first base. So unless the Mets are good with Vientos being a primary DH and backup corner infielder, he could get them a strong return. How much would the Brewers be willing to give up from their pitching staff or farm system? It starts with that question.

    Jordan Westburg - Baltimore Orioles - 23 years old
    Westburg profiles as a gap-to-gap hitter with 25-homer potential in the majors. He is an all-around quality player with a .274/.371/.489/.860 slash line across four minor league levels in the past two years. That includes 39 doubles, 27 homers, and 106 RBI in 2022 in Double-A and Triple-A. He was drafted as a shortstop and is a plus defender, though many see third base as his permanent spot, especially since Baltimore has Gunnar Henderson.

    The Orioles are poised to make another push next season and may want to use some of their young talent to trade for proven big leaguers to take the next step. Milwaukee and Baltimore could be partners on a deal involving multiple players, and Westburg is an intriguing future star.

    If the Brewers go this route of trading for an up-and-coming third baseman, there will be a risk of failing to get the production they seek. Trades mostly come down to asking price and "fit," but to have a handful of clubs as potential partners would give Milwaukee better odds of pulling something off. Considering the offensive concerns and need for a young infield bat, these are some exciting options for the Brewers to explore if they're willing to give up enough player capital. Do you have any favorites from the list?

     

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    Joseph Zarr
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    I would propose Zavier Warren is having an incredible career trajectory altering second half to 2022 (ongoing in the AFL) and is a solid 3B and is now expanding his arsenal to 1B. Just a savvy savvy smart baseball player whose advanced hit tool is finally seeing results.

    Additionally, I would like to remind people Cam Devanney is the best 3B in the Brewers system. And, if we toss out post-COVID 2021 (87 Games in Double-A Biloxi) he has 189 combined games between 2019 and 2022 hitting an 0.840 OPS while absolutely raking in his 16 game late-season playoff-push promotion to Triple-A (0.306 BA/ 0.928 OPS) . His defense is undeniably elite with an incredible arm. Needs to continue working on K:BB ratio tho it certainly isn't prohibitive. 

    Carry on.

     

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    I would propose Zavier Warren is having an incredible career trajectory altering second half to 2022 (ongoing in the AFL) and is a solid 3B and is now expanding his arsenal to 1B. Just a savvy savvy smart baseball player whose advanced hit tool is finally seeing results.

    Additionally, I would like to remind people Cam Devanney is the best 3B in the Brewers system. And, if we toss out post-COVID 2021 (87 Games in Double-A Biloxi) he has 189 combined games between 2019 and 2022 hitting an 0.840 OPS while absolutely raking in his 16 game late-season playoff-push promotion to Triple-A (0.306 BA/ 0.928 OPS) . His defense is undeniably elite with an incredible arm. Needs to continue working on K:BB ratio tho it certainly isn't prohibitive. 

    Carry on.

     

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    12 hours ago, UpandIn said:

    I...I don't know what type of baseball you grew up playing, but we DEFINITELY did not "hide" our our defender at 2B. 

    But fine, lets go with that. It's to the left of SS. Turang is an elite defensive SS. Ergo, it's a BIT of a waste. 

     

    Also, again, do people remember when we moved TRAVIS SHAW to 2B and he performed well?

    a different world i rest my case GIF

    Turang hasn't established himself as a better shortstop than Adames yet.

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    12 hours ago, UpandIn said:

    I...I don't know what type of baseball you grew up playing, but we DEFINITELY did not "hide" our our defender at 2B. 

    But fine, lets go with that. It's to the left of SS. Turang is an elite defensive SS. Ergo, it's a BIT of a waste. 

     

    Also, again, do people remember when we moved TRAVIS SHAW to 2B and he performed well?

    a different world i rest my case GIF

    Turang hasn't established himself as a better shortstop than Adames yet.

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    Tim Muma
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    I am lost in your debate, but my quick two cents. The best option for success in 2023 & the next few years is Urias at 2B, Adames at SS, young bat at 3B, Turang as Utility. I don't believe in him every day as a hitter, but would be perfect to spell those 3 spots to get semi-regular time.

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    I am lost in your debate, but my quick two cents. The best option for success in 2023 & the next few years is Urias at 2B, Adames at SS, young bat at 3B, Turang as Utility. I don't believe in him every day as a hitter, but would be perfect to spell those 3 spots to get semi-regular time.

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    41 minutes ago, Tim Muma said:

    I am lost in your debate, but my quick two cents. The best option for success in 2023 & the next few years is Urias at 2B, Adames at SS, young bat at 3B, Turang as Utility. I don't believe in him every day as a hitter, but would be perfect to spell those 3 spots to get semi-regular time.

    Interesting, I think his power surge this season in AAA is for real and that he looks like the second-coming of Nico Hoerner, but with better on-base skills. He's always been a guy about whom it's been said, "If he develops power, look out."

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    41 minutes ago, Tim Muma said:

    I am lost in your debate, but my quick two cents. The best option for success in 2023 & the next few years is Urias at 2B, Adames at SS, young bat at 3B, Turang as Utility. I don't believe in him every day as a hitter, but would be perfect to spell those 3 spots to get semi-regular time.

    Interesting, I think his power surge this season in AAA is for real and that he looks like the second-coming of Nico Hoerner, but with better on-base skills. He's always been a guy about whom it's been said, "If he develops power, look out."

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    2 hours ago, Brewcrew82 said:

    Interesting, I think his power surge this season in AAA is for real and that he looks like the second-coming of Nico Hoerner, but with better on-base skills. He's always been a guy about whom it's been said, "If he develops power, look out."

    Hey, I could be wrong and he may have developed just as they hoped/expected. I'm just skeptical.

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    2 hours ago, Brewcrew82 said:

    Interesting, I think his power surge this season in AAA is for real and that he looks like the second-coming of Nico Hoerner, but with better on-base skills. He's always been a guy about whom it's been said, "If he develops power, look out."

    Hey, I could be wrong and he may have developed just as they hoped/expected. I'm just skeptical.

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    8 hours ago, Tim Muma said:

    I am lost in your debate, but my quick two cents. The best option for success in 2023 & the next few years is Urias at 2B, Adames at SS, young bat at 3B, Turang as Utility. I don't believe in him every day as a hitter, but would be perfect to spell those 3 spots to get semi-regular time.

    Ok...well, that may be, but the problem is there are VERY few 3B prospects and the MLB ready ones are particularly valuable. But we do have a SS prospect who is an outstanding defensive player. 

    So I'd agree. If you could get a true 3B, a young stud, that'd be preferable. But IF you are going to start Adames, Turang and Urias, I think you maximize their values defensively by slotting them in at 3B, SS and 2B. 

    The logic being Adames hands and arm will play at 3B. Turang is a excellent defensive SS and Urias has been better at 2B than 3B, but with Wong playing primarily 2B the last couple years, he hasn't gotten as much time there. 

    If you add a 3rd player to the mix who's better than the other two, then the equation would change...but I think the best we're going to do at 3B is Brosseau and Jace given who's available in FA and the fact that it would appear we plan on bringing Woodruff and Burnes back(though that was David Stearns who said as much, so that is also subject to change). 
    So it's really about getting your best defense on the field.


    ---The counter argument is that...we don't know if Adames can play 3rd. I get that. I disagree as I think his skill set translates perfectly(Certainly better than anyone else currently under contract next year). But he still hasn't actually played there in a long time...though he has played some 2B showing he can move around a bit.

    Additionally, Urias is fine at 3B and the difference between him at 2nd and 3B is negligible. And Turang would be a plus defender at 2B.

    Those are pretty much the two opposing views on this.

    Oh, also, Adames is going to be a FA in 2 years and would lose value at 3B. Though...again, I don't agree with that as I don't think teams are going to value him less and assume that he can no longer play 3B by the time he's 29. If anything, I think his versatility would help him out. But I understand that POV, Shortstops tend to be more valuable. 

    But how much more valuable will they be when you introduce the new shift and the 3B is expected to cover even more ground than he has before the shift was regulated?

     

    I THINK we'd all be in agreement that bringing in a guy like...Josh Jung would be preferable. 

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    8 hours ago, Tim Muma said:

    I am lost in your debate, but my quick two cents. The best option for success in 2023 & the next few years is Urias at 2B, Adames at SS, young bat at 3B, Turang as Utility. I don't believe in him every day as a hitter, but would be perfect to spell those 3 spots to get semi-regular time.

    Ok...well, that may be, but the problem is there are VERY few 3B prospects and the MLB ready ones are particularly valuable. But we do have a SS prospect who is an outstanding defensive player. 

    So I'd agree. If you could get a true 3B, a young stud, that'd be preferable. But IF you are going to start Adames, Turang and Urias, I think you maximize their values defensively by slotting them in at 3B, SS and 2B. 

    The logic being Adames hands and arm will play at 3B. Turang is a excellent defensive SS and Urias has been better at 2B than 3B, but with Wong playing primarily 2B the last couple years, he hasn't gotten as much time there. 

    If you add a 3rd player to the mix who's better than the other two, then the equation would change...but I think the best we're going to do at 3B is Brosseau and Jace given who's available in FA and the fact that it would appear we plan on bringing Woodruff and Burnes back(though that was David Stearns who said as much, so that is also subject to change). 
    So it's really about getting your best defense on the field.


    ---The counter argument is that...we don't know if Adames can play 3rd. I get that. I disagree as I think his skill set translates perfectly(Certainly better than anyone else currently under contract next year). But he still hasn't actually played there in a long time...though he has played some 2B showing he can move around a bit.

    Additionally, Urias is fine at 3B and the difference between him at 2nd and 3B is negligible. And Turang would be a plus defender at 2B.

    Those are pretty much the two opposing views on this.

    Oh, also, Adames is going to be a FA in 2 years and would lose value at 3B. Though...again, I don't agree with that as I don't think teams are going to value him less and assume that he can no longer play 3B by the time he's 29. If anything, I think his versatility would help him out. But I understand that POV, Shortstops tend to be more valuable. 

    But how much more valuable will they be when you introduce the new shift and the 3B is expected to cover even more ground than he has before the shift was regulated?

     

    I THINK we'd all be in agreement that bringing in a guy like...Josh Jung would be preferable. 

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    1 hour ago, UpandIn said:

    ....and where did I suggest otherwise?

    That's literally the only reasonable reason for displacing Adames--if Turang would be significantly better.

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    1 hour ago, UpandIn said:

    ....and where did I suggest otherwise?

    That's literally the only reasonable reason for displacing Adames--if Turang would be significantly better.

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    17 hours ago, SF70 said:

    Turang is not an elite defensive SS, BA has him graded at 50 field and 50 arm, while MLB pipeline has him at 60 field and 55 arm. My eye-test from watching him play approximately 10 games in-stadium is above average field with a slightly above average arm, so no Adames.

    Keep Adames at SS, put Turang at 2B and have Urias at 3B. Turang’s range at 2B and better arm than Urias will payoff with the shift limitations, and should also payoff with more DP’s with Turang having a must faster release than Urias.

    Both fangraphs and MLB pipeline grade him as a 60 in the field. He plays SS. I'd say that's elite. 

    Also...again, didn't say he was Adames(who...incidentally was graded as a 50 grade in the field and a 60 arm due to questions about his range...which would provide more credibility to him being more than capable of playing 3B FWIW). 

    AGAIN...I'm talking about the cumulative effect.

    Turang=Very good defensive SS. 
    Adames-SHOULD be an elite 3B with his hands and his arm...which is obviously very strong.
    Urias-Clearly best suited to play 2B.

    So you're probably/possibly downgrading at SS a little bit and you're upgrading at both 3B and 2B. You could be well above average at all 3. 

     

    They probably won't do it and nobody agrees...so this is probably just a dead subject at this point. 

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    17 hours ago, SF70 said:

    Turang is not an elite defensive SS, BA has him graded at 50 field and 50 arm, while MLB pipeline has him at 60 field and 55 arm. My eye-test from watching him play approximately 10 games in-stadium is above average field with a slightly above average arm, so no Adames.

    Keep Adames at SS, put Turang at 2B and have Urias at 3B. Turang’s range at 2B and better arm than Urias will payoff with the shift limitations, and should also payoff with more DP’s with Turang having a must faster release than Urias.

    Both fangraphs and MLB pipeline grade him as a 60 in the field. He plays SS. I'd say that's elite. 

    Also...again, didn't say he was Adames(who...incidentally was graded as a 50 grade in the field and a 60 arm due to questions about his range...which would provide more credibility to him being more than capable of playing 3B FWIW). 

    AGAIN...I'm talking about the cumulative effect.

    Turang=Very good defensive SS. 
    Adames-SHOULD be an elite 3B with his hands and his arm...which is obviously very strong.
    Urias-Clearly best suited to play 2B.

    So you're probably/possibly downgrading at SS a little bit and you're upgrading at both 3B and 2B. You could be well above average at all 3. 

     

    They probably won't do it and nobody agrees...so this is probably just a dead subject at this point. 

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    Just now, Robocaller said:

    That's literally the only reasonable reason for displacing Adames--if Turang would be significantly better.

    It's "literally" not. I "literally" articulated the reasons probably a dozen times now...

    They're all readily available...it just requires reading almost any of my posts in this thread. 

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    Just now, Robocaller said:

    That's literally the only reasonable reason for displacing Adames--if Turang would be significantly better.

    It's "literally" not. I "literally" articulated the reasons probably a dozen times now...

    They're all readily available...it just requires reading almost any of my posts in this thread. 

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    3 minutes ago, UpandIn said:

    It's "literally" not. I "literally" articulated the reasons probably a dozen times now...

    They're all readily available...it just requires reading almost any of my posts in this thread. 

    I said reasonable. There are an infinite number of bad reasons one could conceive.

     

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    3 minutes ago, UpandIn said:

    It's "literally" not. I "literally" articulated the reasons probably a dozen times now...

    They're all readily available...it just requires reading almost any of my posts in this thread. 

    I said reasonable. There are an infinite number of bad reasons one could conceive.

     

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    17 minutes ago, Robocaller said:

    I said reasonable. There are an infinite number of bad reasons one could conceive.

     

    Improving your IF defense as a whole while maybe or MAYBE not improving your SS defense...is very reasonable. 

    21 minutes ago, UpandIn said:

    this is probably just a dead subject at this point.

    But AGAIN as I said(a few times now)...this has been discussed ad nauseum and I'm...pretty much done with it.  

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    17 minutes ago, Robocaller said:

    I said reasonable. There are an infinite number of bad reasons one could conceive.

     

    Improving your IF defense as a whole while maybe or MAYBE not improving your SS defense...is very reasonable. 

    21 minutes ago, UpandIn said:

    this is probably just a dead subject at this point.

    But AGAIN as I said(a few times now)...this has been discussed ad nauseum and I'm...pretty much done with it.  

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    6 minutes ago, UpandIn said:

    Improving your IF defense as a whole while maybe or MAYBE not improving your SS defense...is very reasonable. 

    You don't see the flaw in that sentence?

     

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