Young Third Basemen the Brewers Should Target in a Trade

Good article, I have been thinking Diaz but Mead would be interesting. I am sure the Ray's could be in on Woodruff or Burnes but I doubt there would be an extension. 

I know this is trades but Adames could always be an option to if they feel like Turang is a better option at SS than second and want to keep Wong.

Good article, I have been thinking Diaz but Mead would be interesting. I am sure the Ray's could be in on Woodruff or Burnes but I doubt there would be an extension. 

I know this is trades but Adames could always be an option to if they feel like Turang is a better option at SS than second and want to keep Wong.

If we do trade a Burnes or Woodruff, I’d target Miguel Vargas from the Dodgers. Not sure how his defense is at 3B, but I’d be willing to take my chances.

If we do trade a Burnes or Woodruff, I’d target Miguel Vargas from the Dodgers. Not sure how his defense is at 3B, but I’d be willing to take my chances.

The Brewers have zero starting pitcher prospects but multiple position players in triple AAA.  Arnold needs to replenish the minors with impact pitching.  Stearns showed a blueprint of how to win with impact pitching and defense, less than a week after replacing the GM articles are appearing saying to trade the winning pitchers for position players?  Has anyone watched how the Brewers won the last 4 years?  

The Brewers have zero starting pitcher prospects but multiple position players in triple AAA.  Arnold needs to replenish the minors with impact pitching.  Stearns showed a blueprint of how to win with impact pitching and defense, less than a week after replacing the GM articles are appearing saying to trade the winning pitchers for position players?  Has anyone watched how the Brewers won the last 4 years?  

1 hour ago, Hacksaw Jim Duggan said:

The Brewers have zero starting pitcher prospects but multiple position players in triple AAA.  Arnold needs to replenish the minors with impact pitching.  Stearns showed a blueprint of how to win with impact pitching and defense, less than a week after replacing the GM articles are appearing saying to trade the winning pitchers for position players?  Has anyone watched how the Brewers won the last 4 years?  

Robert Gasser? Obviously more would be nice, but that's not "zero". 

1 hour ago, Hacksaw Jim Duggan said:

The Brewers have zero starting pitcher prospects but multiple position players in triple AAA.  Arnold needs to replenish the minors with impact pitching.  Stearns showed a blueprint of how to win with impact pitching and defense, less than a week after replacing the GM articles are appearing saying to trade the winning pitchers for position players?  Has anyone watched how the Brewers won the last 4 years?  

Robert Gasser? Obviously more would be nice, but that's not "zero". 

7 hours ago, Hacksaw Jim Duggan said:

The Brewers have zero starting pitcher prospects but multiple position players in triple AAA.  Arnold needs to replenish the minors with impact pitching.  Stearns showed a blueprint of how to win with impact pitching and defense, less than a week after replacing the GM articles are appearing saying to trade the winning pitchers for position players?  Has anyone watched how the Brewers won the last 4 years?  

Well, for starters, we didn't replace our GM. Second, there have been NUMEROUS threads before and after Stearns about trying to acquire a bit corner IF bat. So these articles aren't just appearing suddenly a week after Stearns stepped down as POBO.  

But nope...I think you're the only one who paid attention to how the Brewers played the last few years. We also missed Freddy Peralta, Ashby, Gasser(just 3 high upside pitchers in AAA or already on the MLB roster with high upside). Finally,  I missed where anyone said this would be a straight up trade? Burnes for a 3B prospect? Or Burnes AND Woodruff for a 3B prospect?

The article is talking about acquiring a 3B and POSSIBLE 3B targets as PART of a trade. It shouldn't need to be explained that we also need to continue to develop pitching. 

They also have Robert Gasser in AAA. Not that it's REALLY all that relevant. HiA, AA, AAA, what difference does it make if the goal is to develop pitchers? Is the issue that we don't have  elite position prospects AND MLB ready pitchers? Who does? A couple teams. 

And plenty of pitchers go from HiA to AAA and we've not only got several pitchers who could do that over the next 9 months, but we'd OBVIOUSLY look to acquire pitching prospects. 

Also, the way Stearns acquired all that pitching was by identifying certain traits and then developing it through their pitching lab in AZ. 

Pitchers with good stuff who went under the radar. Like Misiorowski, Henderson, Wagoner, Woessner, Rudy.

Nobody's looking at the Brewers and saying, 'well, that pitching thing didn't work out, lets just ignore that and go and get some 3B.'

7 hours ago, Hacksaw Jim Duggan said:

The Brewers have zero starting pitcher prospects but multiple position players in triple AAA.  Arnold needs to replenish the minors with impact pitching.  Stearns showed a blueprint of how to win with impact pitching and defense, less than a week after replacing the GM articles are appearing saying to trade the winning pitchers for position players?  Has anyone watched how the Brewers won the last 4 years?  

Well, for starters, we didn't replace our GM. Second, there have been NUMEROUS threads before and after Stearns about trying to acquire a bit corner IF bat. So these articles aren't just appearing suddenly a week after Stearns stepped down as POBO.  

But nope...I think you're the only one who paid attention to how the Brewers played the last few years. We also missed Freddy Peralta, Ashby, Gasser(just 3 high upside pitchers in AAA or already on the MLB roster with high upside). Finally,  I missed where anyone said this would be a straight up trade? Burnes for a 3B prospect? Or Burnes AND Woodruff for a 3B prospect?

The article is talking about acquiring a 3B and POSSIBLE 3B targets as PART of a trade. It shouldn't need to be explained that we also need to continue to develop pitching. 

They also have Robert Gasser in AAA. Not that it's REALLY all that relevant. HiA, AA, AAA, what difference does it make if the goal is to develop pitchers? Is the issue that we don't have  elite position prospects AND MLB ready pitchers? Who does? A couple teams. 

And plenty of pitchers go from HiA to AAA and we've not only got several pitchers who could do that over the next 9 months, but we'd OBVIOUSLY look to acquire pitching prospects. 

Also, the way Stearns acquired all that pitching was by identifying certain traits and then developing it through their pitching lab in AZ. 

Pitchers with good stuff who went under the radar. Like Misiorowski, Henderson, Wagoner, Woessner, Rudy.

Nobody's looking at the Brewers and saying, 'well, that pitching thing didn't work out, lets just ignore that and go and get some 3B.'

5 hours ago, Brewcrew82 said:

Robert Gasser? Obviously more would be nice, but that's not "zero". 

They also have Small. Though Gasser doesn't count as we got back "garbage" for Hader and I'm sure if Gasser is garbage, there's no way a AA starter with a MiLB line of 3.13 ERA in 201 IP and 242Ks as he quickly moved through the farm system, but you obviously write him off after struggling for a couple months(Which is baked into those numbers).

I just hate when things are so WILDLY mis-represented. 

This particular poster(the OP) has gone position by position and talked about both in-house options and potential trade targets. None of it means we will stop emphasizing pitching. 

5 hours ago, Brewcrew82 said:

Robert Gasser? Obviously more would be nice, but that's not "zero". 

They also have Small. Though Gasser doesn't count as we got back "garbage" for Hader and I'm sure if Gasser is garbage, there's no way a AA starter with a MiLB line of 3.13 ERA in 201 IP and 242Ks as he quickly moved through the farm system, but you obviously write him off after struggling for a couple months(Which is baked into those numbers).

I just hate when things are so WILDLY mis-represented. 

This particular poster(the OP) has gone position by position and talked about both in-house options and potential trade targets. None of it means we will stop emphasizing pitching. 

The only thing surprising about Travis Shaw is that he spontaneously forgot how to hit. 

The only thing surprising about Travis Shaw is that he spontaneously forgot how to hit. 

10 hours ago, wibadgers23 said:

If we do trade a Burnes or Woodruff, I’d target Miguel Vargas from the Dodgers. Not sure how his defense is at 3B, but I’d be willing to take my chances.

Vargas would be a useful guy to have, but he's probably not sticking at 3B. He could be a corner INF/OF/DH for us.

10 hours ago, wibadgers23 said:

If we do trade a Burnes or Woodruff, I’d target Miguel Vargas from the Dodgers. Not sure how his defense is at 3B, but I’d be willing to take my chances.

Vargas would be a useful guy to have, but he's probably not sticking at 3B. He could be a corner INF/OF/DH for us.

12 hours ago, jay87shot said:

Good article, I have been thinking Diaz but Mead would be interesting. I am sure the Ray's could be in on Woodruff or Burnes but I doubt there would be an extension. 

I know this is trades but Adames could always be an option to if they feel like Turang is a better option at SS than second and want to keep Wong.

 

Diaz would be great, except he becomes a FA the same time Burnes/Woodruff do.

Moving Adames off SS is ludicrous. He's a quality SS and he's only going to be around for 1-2 more years.

12 hours ago, jay87shot said:

Good article, I have been thinking Diaz but Mead would be interesting. I am sure the Ray's could be in on Woodruff or Burnes but I doubt there would be an extension. 

I know this is trades but Adames could always be an option to if they feel like Turang is a better option at SS than second and want to keep Wong.

 

Diaz would be great, except he becomes a FA the same time Burnes/Woodruff do.

Moving Adames off SS is ludicrous. He's a quality SS and he's only going to be around for 1-2 more years.

9 minutes ago, Robocaller said:

Diaz would be great, except he becomes a FA the same time Burnes/Woodruff do.

Moving Adames off SS is ludicrous. He's a quality SS and he's only going to be around for 1-2 more years.

I feel like we've gone in this circle a WHOLE lot. 

What would make it ludicrous? Do you NOT believe he can handle it? Is there any suggestion that Turang is not an elite defender, primarily at SS?

So if it makes the Brewers better to go with Adames(3B), Turang(SS) and Wong/Urias(2B) then that's what you should do. 

As is repeatedly pointed out, the 3B will be lining up close to where the SS plays when they're straight up vs lefties. 

And if you're right and he'll only be here for 1-2 more years, then it makes more sense to keep Turang at his natural position, to keep Wong/Urias at positions their better suited for and sliding Adames over where he can make use of his big arm and great range. 

Yeah, he's a quality SS. So he'd almost certainly be a quality 3B...and it'd sold our 3B hole, particularly if Turang is able to just be a .270/.330/.380 type hitter with plus defense who can steal some bases. 

9 minutes ago, Robocaller said:

Diaz would be great, except he becomes a FA the same time Burnes/Woodruff do.

Moving Adames off SS is ludicrous. He's a quality SS and he's only going to be around for 1-2 more years.

I feel like we've gone in this circle a WHOLE lot. 

What would make it ludicrous? Do you NOT believe he can handle it? Is there any suggestion that Turang is not an elite defender, primarily at SS?

So if it makes the Brewers better to go with Adames(3B), Turang(SS) and Wong/Urias(2B) then that's what you should do. 

As is repeatedly pointed out, the 3B will be lining up close to where the SS plays when they're straight up vs lefties. 

And if you're right and he'll only be here for 1-2 more years, then it makes more sense to keep Turang at his natural position, to keep Wong/Urias at positions their better suited for and sliding Adames over where he can make use of his big arm and great range. 

Yeah, he's a quality SS. So he'd almost certainly be a quality 3B...and it'd sold our 3B hole, particularly if Turang is able to just be a .270/.330/.380 type hitter with plus defense who can steal some bases. 

Willy is a good SS, last year he was worth +9 runs, for the rest of his career he has been around slightly above average. The case would be that if Turang is really a plus defender at SS, we wouldn't lose anything defensively and then we would improve 3rd tremendously by putting Adames there. When we potentially lose Adames it would be an easier transition because Turang wouldn't have to move.