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  • What Constitutes Success for the 2023 Milwaukee Brewers?


    Matthew Trueblood

    With the report date for pitchers and catchers less than a week away, it's time to turn our attention from offseason matters toward the 2023 Milwaukee Brewers season. In doing so, we have to answer one question first: What does this team need to do to call this year a success?

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    Plainly, that's a question every fan has to answer for themselves. That doesn't mean there aren't some wrong answers, but there's a long list of right ones. This is a franchise still in search of its first World Series title, and just its second pennant. This year marks a quarter-century of play in the National League, and no National League pennant has yet belonged to the Brewers. The Bucks have won their championship. The Packers are a source of frequent frustration, but also perennial competitiveness, and they've won two titles in the lifetime of the average Brewers fan. It's fair to argue that this team, with three stars nearing free agency and one erstwhile superstar locked in for the long haul, needs to put an end to one of those droughts in order to be called a success.

    It's no less valid, though, to counter that the model of sustainable competition put in place by David Stearns and carried forward, now, by Matt Arnold depends on defining success more broadly than that. For that matter, Mark Attanasio thinks along the same lines. 

    "I hope to never go through a rebuild here," he said last Opening Day. "At the trade deadline, we'll be looking carefully. We definitely have some flexibility this year." He said all that in the context of trying to get the team over the hump and deeper into October, but come July, they used that flexibility in a different way. 

    While Corbin Burnes, Willy Adames, and Brandon Woodruff catch all the headlines, Eric Lauer is also only two years from free agency. Devin Williams is just three years away. This team has to at least contend this season, but given the way the front office and the owner each think about the challenge of winning consistently in a small market, we have to think through what shape success could take even if one of those players is traded before August begins.

    Certainly, a resurgent power season from Christian Yelich would shift the narrative on his contract in a welcome way. That narrative has already outstripped any real damage the team is suffering from having signed Yelich, though. His demise is much-exaggerated, especially in light of new defensive metrics from Baseball Prospectus that show him to have been almost perfectly average over the last three years. (The previous state of the art in defensive evaluation marked him almost 10 runs worse.)

    Most important, though, especially because of the way this team prefers to operate, is what we see from young players. If Jackson Chourio's development continues at anywhere near the pace and the level that it sustained last year, he'll arrive in the majors during the second half and make an immediate impact. Even failing that perfect an outcome, they should have the playing time and the normal evaluative conditions to get a firmer handle on which of Sal Frelick, Garrett Mitchell, and Joey Wiemer can be long-term regulars in the outfield. The same goes for Luis Urías and Brice Turang on the infield. Walker McKinven will try to prove, once again, the team's prowess at developing catcher defense, which could render William Contreras a superstar if it works yet again.

    I'm willing to give a list of boxes that need to be checked for this year to be a success, even if the championship eludes the club again.

    1. The team should resolve the uncertainty around at least two of Woodruff, Adames, and Burnes. Extensions are ideal, of course, and I'd certainly hope for at least one of those, but failing that, they should exploit the trade market and get back more controllable talent, staying competitive while sowing more of the seeds of long-term contention. Their organizational paradigm won't do well with the challenges that come if two of these guys are just a year from free agency come the fall.
    2. The outfield of the medium-term future needs to be clear. If Tyrone Taylor has his hoped-for breakout, terrific, but it seems more likely that they'll need to see at least two of Mitchell, Frelick, Wiemer, and Chourio have good years in order to feel the kind of confidence I'm talking about. That's a reasonable hope, given the caliber of those young players, but it's far from guaranteed.
    3. Another pitcher emerges. With Aaron Ashby starting spring training behind schedule, and with the myriad questions that encircle the top four starters on staff, the team needs to enjoy another breakout performance, like the ones they've gotten from Woodruff, Burnes, Freddy Peralta, and Lauer in succession over the last four years. Chris Hook has more than adequately replaced Derek Johnson, which seemed so improbable upon his departure, but now he faces another tough test. Given what Hook does well, I would sooner bet on Robert Gasser or Jansen Junk than Ethan Small to make the leap required, but all three are candidates. So, for that matter, is Bryse Wilson, although his opportunities to prove himself as a starter for 2023 will be much more limited. The same goes for Gus Varland.
    4. The team has to make the playoffs. This is a "last but not least" situation, if ever there was one. All four of these criteria are, to me, necessary, but none of them are sufficient without the rest.

    The infallibility of some of the larger-market NL Wild Card contenders has been oversold. The Cardinals are hardly an unbeatable division favorite. The Brewers have to play some home games at Miller Park in the playoffs in order to call their season a success. That said, there are good cases to be made that they can be successful without winning the pennant, or even winning the division. Again, though, this is deeply subjective, and I welcome your thoughts and your lists of criteria for a satisfying Brewers year.

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    2 hours ago, sveumrules said:

    They’ve definitely lost a quantity of relievers, but what about their quality?

    Suter (66 IP | 93 ERA- | +0.38 WPA)
    Bxbrgr (64 IP | 73 ERA- | +1.04 WPA)
    Gott (45 IP | 102 ERA- | -0.65 WPA)
    Hader (34 IP | 105 ERA- | +0.76 WPA)
    Gustave (28 IP | 95 ERA- | -0.29 WPA)
    Perdomo (23 IP | 94 ERA- | +0.37 WPA)
    Rogers (23 IP | 135 ERA- | -1.02 WPA)
    Kelley (23 IP | 150 ERA- | -0.57 WPA)

    Thats 308 IP that (outside of Boxberger) was mediocre to bad with a net Win Probability Added of essentially zero.

    Then again, take a look at the new relievers  on the 40 man roster, whom they're presumably counting on in '24

    Javy Guerra (18 IP | 76 ERA+| +.60 WPA)

    Janson Junk (8 IP | 65 ERA+| -0.20vWPA)

    Joel Payamps (55IP | 125 ERA+| -2.3 WPA)

    Bryse Wilson (115.2 IP | 75 ERA+| -2.3 WPA)

    Tyson Miller (10.2 IP | 37 ERA+| -0.7 WPA)

    Elvis Peguero (17.1 IP | 61 ERA+| -0.5 WPA)

    Of those above, four of them have barely pitched in the major leagues, so it is truly a mystery what the Brewers ultimately have in them. The other two who have pitched significant MLB innings performed quite poorly in '23 by these metrics.

    To keep their starting pitching staff together, they've apparently decided to go cheap in the bullpen this year with almost all pre-arbitration eligible arms outside of Williams, Bush and whomever loses the rotation battle.  To me, its another example of the theme of the '23 Brewers- taking a gamble that everything will break their way and they'll be in the post season chase, alternatively if it blows up in their face it makes it all the easier to break this group up in July. 

     

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    8 minutes ago, Jopal78 said:

    Then again, take a look at the new relievers  on the 40 man roster, whom they're presumably counting on in '24

    Javy Guerra (18 IP | 76 ERA+| +.60 WPA)

    Janson Junk (8 IP | 65 ERA+| -0.20vWPA)

    Joel Payamps (55IP | 125 ERA+| -2.3 WPA)

    Bryse Wilson (115.2 IP | 75 ERA+| -2.3 WPA)

    Tyson Miller (10.2 IP | 37 ERA+| -0.7 WPA)

    Elvis Peguero (17.1 IP | 61 ERA+| -0.5 WPA)

    Of those above, four of them have barely pitched in the major leagues, so it is truly a mystery what the Brewers ultimately have in them. The other two who have pitched significant MLB innings performed quite poorly in '23 by these metrics.

    To keep their starting pitching staff together, they've apparently decided to go cheap in the bullpen this year with almost all pre-arbitration eligible arms outside of Williams, Bush and whomever loses the rotation battle.  To me, its another example of the theme of the '23 Brewers- taking a gamble that everything will break their way and they'll be in the post season chase, alternatively if it blows up in their face it makes it all the easier to break this group up in July. 

     

    Why would “everything need to break their way to stay in the postseason chase” when they’ve played a total of 3 meaningless games over the past 6 seasons? 

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    15 minutes ago, Brewcrew82 said:

    Why would “everything need to break their way to stay in the postseason chase” when they’ve played a total of 3 meaningless games over the past 6 seasons? 

    Less talent on paper than in prior years, fewer games against the Reds, Pirates, than in years past, as noted above relying on a slew of inexperienced arms in the bullpen and counting on a number of players to bounce back instead of merely producing close to  what they did last year?

     

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    12 minutes ago, Jopal78 said:

    Less talent on paper than in prior years, fewer games against the Reds, Pirates, than in years past, and counting on a number of players to bounce back instead of repeating close to  what they did last year?

     

    Less talent on paper than in prior years? Who did we lose besides Hader?

    And then we made pretty significant upgrades at C and DH.

    Saying we need “everything” to break our way just to stay in postseason contention, despite the past 6 years of hard evidence, is just being pessimistic for the sake of being pessimistic…

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    Worth noting that PECOTA projections came out this morning and they have the Brewers as a slight favorite over St. Louis in the NL Central. (87.6 for MIL, 87.5 for STL) and they put the Brewers overall chance of making the playoffs at 64%. That seems to track for what I'd expect. 

    I think a bottom level of a successful season would be making it past the Wildcard Round and atleast holding their own in the NLDS even if they eventually lose. 

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    4 minutes ago, Brewcrew82 said:

    Less talent on paper than in prior years? Who did we lose besides Hader?

     

    And then we made pretty significant upgrades at C and DH.

    Saying we need “everything” to break our way just to stay in postseason contention, despite the past 6 years of hard evidence, is just being pessimistic for the sake of being pessimistic…

    It’s not being pessimistic it’s being realistic your refusal to even consider the notion is blinding your logic.

    For example, key contributors no longer with the Brewers: Hader, Boxberger, Gott, Renfroe, Wong, Suter, et al.

    Further,  they’ve made an upgrade at DH if and only if Winker is healthy and plays, significantly better than he did last year with Seattle, where he was terrible. (I mean there is a reason a player with a 888 career OPS was available for Kolten Wong, right?)

    I hope you’re right,  97 wins in going wire to wire in first place sounds great to me and. Although I doubt any of the pundits are going to pick the Brewers for the playoffs based upon the talent  on the roster but then again, that’s why they play the games.

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    6 minutes ago, Jopal78 said:

    It’s not being pessimistic it’s being realistic your refusal to even consider the notion is blinding your logic.

    For example, key contributors no longer with the Brewers: Hader, Boxberger, Gott, Renfroe, Wong, Suter, et al.

    Further,  they’ve made an upgrade at DH if and only if Winker is healthy and plays, significantly better than he did last year with Seattle, where he was terrible. (I mean there is a reason a player with a 888 career OPS was available for Kolten Wong, right?)

    I hope you’re right,  97 wins in going wire to wire in first place sounds great to me and. Although I doubt any of the pundits are going to pick the Brewers for the playoffs based upon the talent  on the roster but then again, that’s why they play the games.

    It totally is being pessimistic for the sake of being pessimistic.

    Your statement was that “everything” needs to go right just for the Brewers to stay in contention. That’s not borne out whatsoever by the results of the past 6 seasons, in which the Brewers have been in contention in each of them, playing a total of 3 meaningless games. Nor is it borne out by the projections for this season (PECOTA, ZIPS). 

    Also, you’re wrong about Winker. Even in by far the worst season of his career last year, he was still a significant upgrade over McCutchen (108 wRC+ vs. 98 wRC+).

    Seems to me like you’re the one being blinded here…

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    39 minutes ago, Jopal78 said:

    I hope you’re right,  97 wins in going wire to wire in first place sounds great to me and. Although I doubt any of the pundits are going to pick the Brewers for the playoffs based upon the talent  on the roster but then again, that’s why they play the games.

    I haven't seen any posted pundit predictions, but the projection systems seem to think they'll be in the mix:

    Maybe it's a semantics thing? But I think a lot of people think the Brewers will be competing for the division and/or a wild card spot and I would guess there's close to a 50/50 chance of any given pundit putting them down for a playoff spot in their predictions.

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    1 hour ago, Brewcrew82 said:

    It totally is being pessimistic for the sake of being pessimistic.

    Your statement was that “everything” needs to go right just for the Brewers to stay in contention. That’s not borne out whatsoever by the results of the past 6 seasons, in which the Brewers have been in contention in each of them, playing a total of 3 meaningless games. Nor is it borne out by the projections for this season (PECOTA, ZIPS). 

    Also, you’re wrong about Winker. Even in by far the worst season of his career last year, he was still a significant upgrade over McCutchen (108 wRC+ vs. 98 wRC+).

    Seems to me like you’re the one being blinded here…

    There’s a statistic out there to make any point you want to make. So you may as well go ahead and lay them on me, but McCutchen have the superior OPS superior war on baseball reference, and winker is coming off, not one but two operations. 
     

    He could be healthy and back to the player, and he was with the Reds certainly a possibility, but whether you choose to see it or not, there is a risk that he remains terrible due to injury or ineffectiveness.

    In the bullpen they’re going with cheap inexperienced pitchers for the most part nobody has a crystal ball and yes, maybe they’ll mostly be killers, but there’s also a real risk that all those players are ineffective and the bullpen sinks their season. 
     

    The Brewers have some nice starting pitchers, some good but not great hitters, and play in a weaker division. Is that a recipe for the postseason could be, but they’re certainly gonna need to have some luck in my opinion 

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    4 hours ago, Jopal78 said:

    There’s a statistic out there to make any point you want to make. So you may as well go ahead and lay them on me, but McCutchen have the superior OPS superior war on baseball reference, and winker is coming off, not one but two operations. 

    Raw OPS does not adjust for park factors. It is harder to hit in Seattle than it is in Milwaukee, that is why Winker comes out ahead of Cutch in both OPS+ and wRC+ despite Andrew having a .012 edge in raw OPS.

    The main reason McCutchen has the edge in WAR is because he posted +4 fielding runs in his limited OF time, 434 innings.

    The Mariners for some reason decided to play Winker in the field for 972 innings last year where he posted -16 fielding runs.

    Assuming the Brewers play Winker minimally on the grass it will be a notable boost to his WAR.

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    Glad to be looking forward to spring!

    1- I forgot about the balanced schedule. That will hopefully make the boring 3TO baseball a little less so, with some fresher opponents, but also make it more difficult for the Central divisions to earn wild cards.

    2- Success is finishing ahead of the Cards and the Cubs.

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