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    It is rare to willingly get rid of one of the most dominant pitchers in MLB, who also won a Cy Young Award two seasons ago. However, the Milwaukee Brewers have to consider the option of trading Corbin Burnes now to maximize the return package of talent, especially if they aren't going to offer the right-hander a long-term contract.

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    GM Matt Arnold will have some tough decisions in the coming months and years, but nothing is more significant than determining how to handle Corbin Burnes' time with the Milwaukee Brewers. That could also be affected by what the Brewers decide to do with Brandon Woodruff. It isn't easy to see them keeping both or offering long-term deals before they become free agents in two seasons. Could they trade both? That would be a gamble, too. But let's look squarely at Burnes and his trade candidacy.

    The 2021 NL Cy Young has been phenomenal since the start of the 2020 season, which means a big payday is on the horizon. Some people need to appreciate how ridiculous Burnes has been in the last three years and how it will impact his salary.

    Corbin Burnes ranks first among MLB starters in these categories since 2020:

    • 2.60 ERA
    • 2.36 FIP
    • 0.96 WHIP
    • 11.83 K/9
    • 33.3 K% 
    • 27.1 K-BB%
    • 7.86 WPA (Win Probability Added)
    • 14.3 fWAR (FanGraphs' Wins Above Replacement)

    Burnes makes a strong case for being the best pitcher in baseball right now. With two years of arbitration remaining, he would become a free agent after the 2024 season if he doesn't sign a contract extension. Those numbers for a starter who would hit free agency at 30 with mostly good health could generate a record contract. Burnes also tossed more than 200 innings last season while leading the NL with 243 strikeouts, meaning he isn't likely to decline soon. A quick look at recent starting pitcher contracts could legitimately net Burnes a contract for anywhere between five and eight years from $175-$275 million if a big market team is determined to land him. Check out the list below from Spotrac.com and you can see the huge deals for recent starting pitchers. 

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    Realistically, the Brewers are unlikely to invest that much in one player, especially with the way the Christian Yelich deal has gone thus far. Pitchers also carry more injury risk. If the organization doesn't want to lose Burnes to free agency without getting anything in return, this offseason could net them the most crucial haul for future success. The question is, can you get fair value back in a trade?

    For the Brewers to jettison Burnes elsewhere, they need at least a couple of players at the beginning of their MLB careers or on the cusp. Getting two players back who are under team control for five or six years and are ready to contribute now is essential to keep the club from dipping in performance. Then Milwaukee would need a couple of higher-level prospects with significant potential. Ideally, they're getting at least two starting pitchers in the deal and one impact bat. People might argue the return should include a top-20 MLB prospect and three more of the team's best 10 minor leaguers, but that can be subjective.

    It's going to come down to the right fit for a club that lacks top-tier starting pitching and has the means to sign Burns to a long-term contract. It would help if you also had a team that feels comfortable offensively or is willing to add offense via free agency. They would then feel good about swapping out a solid bat (and the other pieces) for a true ace that puts them over the top. The first two clubs that come to mind as examples are the Texas Rangers and Baltimore Orioles. Both teams want to push their franchises forward, and their farm systems were ranked sixth and first this past August.

    Texas has already shown a willingness to pay big bucks by giving Corey Seager and Marcus Semien mega-deals last offseason. The Rangers have six prospects in MLB Pipeline's top 100, including third baseman Josh Jung (#36) and right-handed pitchers Jack Leiter (#45), Owen White (#59), and Brock Porter (#89). Getting Jung and two of those hurlers gets them in the ballpark, then you figure out the fourth player. Texas finished fifth in runs scored (4.36 R/G) in the AL last season but 12th in ERA (4.22), so they would make a considerable jump up with Burnes. Rangers' fans in September were already pining for a rotation with Burnes at the top.

    As for the Orioles, they were only 10th in the AL in runs scored (4.16), although they would have an entire season of catcher Adley Rutschman and shortstop Gunnar Henderson to increase production in 2023 and beyond. Baltimore also has money to burn in free agency to acquire a big hitter for the middle of its lineup. Meanwhile, the O's 3.97 ERA ranked ninth in the AL; however, they had a 4.35 starting pitching ERA. They could use a stud arm up front to lead their young hurlers.

    Baltimore also has six of MLB's top-100 prospects, though Henderson (#2), right-handed pitcher Grayson Rodriguez (#4), and this year's number one overall draft pick, Jackson Holliday, are probably off limits. That leaves outfielder Colton Cowser (#40), infielder Jordan Westburg (#76), and left-handed pitcher DL Hall (#87) in play. Of course, Baltimore could also entice the Brewers with a Major Leaguer. Could outfielders Cedric Mullins or Anthony Santander be moved to acquire a starter like Burnes? It's possible because of the Orioles loaded farm system and available cash.

    No matter who the Brewers get in return for a potential Burnes trade, many in the fanbase will be upset - and there's nothing wrong with that. Unfortunately, moving a player of Burnes' caliber at the right time for the best collection of young talent possible is often the ideal long-term option for continued, sustainable success.

    The most intriguing question around a Burnes trade might be, when is the best time to make it happen? Should the Brewers see how 2023 starts and trade him at the mid-season deadline if the club is floundering? It gives you another shot at the playoffs with your two aces (assuming Woodruff is still with the club). Do you wait until next offseason when he has just one year left on the contract and has slightly less value? You also risk injury or ineffectiveness curtailing his worth. That potential for injury and a possible dip in value is why many believe that if the Milwaukee Brewers are going to trade Corbin Burnes, this offseason is the time to strike. What do you think about dealing Burnes away, and who should they try to get back?

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    47 minutes ago, Brewcrew82 said:

    Cause he failed so totally at being a GM that he had no place else to run. 

    I’m sure there are loads of former front office execs I’d love to hear talk about baseball. As it turns out, Jim Bowden ain’t one of them, yet he’s the one with the job. 

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    On 11/4/2022 at 5:00 PM, Robocaller said:

    That would be something like 12, 18, and 30+M over those 3 years. That seems like an underpay for Burnes who probably would like a 5+ year contract.

    Only five starting pitchers in MLB make $30 M or more.  $30 M plus for Burnes is an overpay.  

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    On 11/4/2022 at 5:00 PM, Robocaller said:

    That would be something like 12, 18, and 30+M over those 3 years. That seems like an underpay for Burnes who probably would like a 5+ year contract.

    Only five starting pitchers in MLB make $30 M or more.  $30 M plus for Burnes is an overpay.  

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    On 11/4/2022 at 2:24 PM, Hopper said:

    I just don't think either will sign those deals.  Burnes is going to get a BIG payday if he doesn't fall off a cliff in the next 2 years, I mean a BIG payday!  There isn't a chance in hell he takes that offer.  I don't think we get Woodruff for less than 25 million per season either.

    And I don't see Burnes getting a BIG payday.  He'll get in the $24 M-$25 M per year, but he ain't getting $30 M plus.

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    On 11/4/2022 at 2:24 PM, Hopper said:

    I just don't think either will sign those deals.  Burnes is going to get a BIG payday if he doesn't fall off a cliff in the next 2 years, I mean a BIG payday!  There isn't a chance in hell he takes that offer.  I don't think we get Woodruff for less than 25 million per season either.

    And I don't see Burnes getting a BIG payday.  He'll get in the $24 M-$25 M per year, but he ain't getting $30 M plus.

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    The whole point of signing a player to an extension is the player gives up future earning potential in exchange for salary security now.  If Burnes' maximum arbitration number for next season is $18 M, it is monumentally stupid for the Brewers to sign him now for that $18 M.  Because that number can only go down in the coming year.  If he projects to earn $30 M in free agency in two years, it's stupid to sign him to that $30 M now.  Because you can just sign him at that time for the $30 M, if you're going to pay it.  Or he'll cost less than that $30 M.

    An extension for Burnes earning him 11/16/25/25/25 is a very reasonable extension for him.  That's $102 M.

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    The whole point of signing a player to an extension is the player gives up future earning potential in exchange for salary security now.  If Burnes' maximum arbitration number for next season is $18 M, it is monumentally stupid for the Brewers to sign him now for that $18 M.  Because that number can only go down in the coming year.  If he projects to earn $30 M in free agency in two years, it's stupid to sign him to that $30 M now.  Because you can just sign him at that time for the $30 M, if you're going to pay it.  Or he'll cost less than that $30 M.

    An extension for Burnes earning him 11/16/25/25/25 is a very reasonable extension for him.  That's $102 M.

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    Obviously Corbin has two years before hitting free agency, so who knows what his platform years will end up looking like, or if he even hits FA at all, but I thought it might be interesting to compare his numbers since 2020 to the platform years of the pitchers who have signed big money deals somewhat recently.

    Burnes, 2nd Max & Bauer all included 2020, and Strasburg had injuries so their splits are three years, while everyone else is two year splits before hitting FA to keep the IP totals in the same ballpark. Year (age) are for the first year of the big deal…

    Burnes: 2025 (30) | 428 IP | 63 ERA- | 58 FIP- | 14.0 rWAR | 14.4 fWAR 

    Cole: 9/324 | 2020 (29) | 412 IP | 63 ERA- | 62 FIP- | 13.6 rWAR | 13.4 fWAR 

    Stras: 7/245 | 2020 (31) | 514 IP | 73 ERA- | 73 FIP- | 14.7 rWAR | 13.9 fWAR 

    Price: 7/217 | 2016 (30) | 468 IP | 74 ERA- | 71 FIP- | 11.1 rWAR | 12.3 fWAR 

    Kersh: 7/215 | 2014 (26) | 463 IP | 59 ERA- | 69 FIP- | 16.1 rWAR | 13.2 fWAR 

    Max: 7/210 | 2015 (30) | 434 IP | 77 ERA- | 72 FIP- | 11.3 rWAR | 11.5 fWAR

    Zack: 6/207 | 2016 (32) | 425 IP | 61 ERA- | 77 FIP- | 14.1 rWAR | 9.8 fWAR 

    Max: 3/130 | 2022 (37) | 419 IP | 65 ERA-| 64 FIP- | 14.0 rWAR | 13.7 fWAR 

    Bauer: 3/102 | 2021 (30) | 457 IP | 70 ERA- | 76 FIP- | 12.4 rWAR | 11.5 fWAR 

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    Obviously Corbin has two years before hitting free agency, so who knows what his platform years will end up looking like, or if he even hits FA at all, but I thought it might be interesting to compare his numbers since 2020 to the platform years of the pitchers who have signed big money deals somewhat recently.

    Burnes, 2nd Max & Bauer all included 2020, and Strasburg had injuries so their splits are three years, while everyone else is two year splits before hitting FA to keep the IP totals in the same ballpark. Year (age) are for the first year of the big deal…

    Burnes: 2025 (30) | 428 IP | 63 ERA- | 58 FIP- | 14.0 rWAR | 14.4 fWAR 

    Cole: 9/324 | 2020 (29) | 412 IP | 63 ERA- | 62 FIP- | 13.6 rWAR | 13.4 fWAR 

    Stras: 7/245 | 2020 (31) | 514 IP | 73 ERA- | 73 FIP- | 14.7 rWAR | 13.9 fWAR 

    Price: 7/217 | 2016 (30) | 468 IP | 74 ERA- | 71 FIP- | 11.1 rWAR | 12.3 fWAR 

    Kersh: 7/215 | 2014 (26) | 463 IP | 59 ERA- | 69 FIP- | 16.1 rWAR | 13.2 fWAR 

    Max: 7/210 | 2015 (30) | 434 IP | 77 ERA- | 72 FIP- | 11.3 rWAR | 11.5 fWAR

    Zack: 6/207 | 2016 (32) | 425 IP | 61 ERA- | 77 FIP- | 14.1 rWAR | 9.8 fWAR 

    Max: 3/130 | 2022 (37) | 419 IP | 65 ERA-| 64 FIP- | 14.0 rWAR | 13.7 fWAR 

    Bauer: 3/102 | 2021 (30) | 457 IP | 70 ERA- | 76 FIP- | 12.4 rWAR | 11.5 fWAR 

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    For a little more context on how Corbin’s 2020-22 stacks up with other dominant stretches of recent vintage, here is my top ten (plus one) 400-ish IP runs over the last ten or so seasons…

    01. deGrom 18-19: 421 IP | 52 ERA- | 55 FIP- | 17.0 rWAR | 16.0 fWAR

    02. Krshw 14-15: 431 IP | 54 ERA- | 51 FIP- | 16.4 rWAR | 16.5 fWAR

    03. Vrlndr 11-12: 489 IP | 60 ERA- | 69 FIP- | 16.5 rWAR | 13.4 fWAR

    04. Max 17-18: 421 IP | 59 ERA- | 65 FIP- | 15.2 rWAR | 13.9 fWAR

    05. Burnes 20-22: 428 IP | 63 ERA- | 58 FIP- | 14.0 rWAR | 14.4 fWAR 

    06. Sale 17-18: 372 IP | 57 ERA- | 53 FIP- | 13.8 rWAR | 13.8 fWAR

    07. Cole 18-19: 412 IP | 63 ERA- | 62 FIP- | 13.6 rWAR | 13.4 fWAR 

    08. Kluber 17-18: 418 IP | 58 ERA- | 66 FIP- | 15.2 rWAR | 12.7 fWAR

    09. Arrieta 14-15: 385 IP | 55 ERA- | 61 FIP- | 14.3 rWAR | 12.3 fWAR

    10. Wheeler 20-22: 437 IP | 67 ERA- | 66 FIP- | 13.6 rWAR | 13.3 fWAR 

    11. Jose 13-16: 471 IP | 68 ERA- | 64 FIP- | 13.9 rWAR | 14.5 rWAR

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    For a little more context on how Corbin’s 2020-22 stacks up with other dominant stretches of recent vintage, here is my top ten (plus one) 400-ish IP runs over the last ten or so seasons…

    01. deGrom 18-19: 421 IP | 52 ERA- | 55 FIP- | 17.0 rWAR | 16.0 fWAR

    02. Krshw 14-15: 431 IP | 54 ERA- | 51 FIP- | 16.4 rWAR | 16.5 fWAR

    03. Vrlndr 11-12: 489 IP | 60 ERA- | 69 FIP- | 16.5 rWAR | 13.4 fWAR

    04. Max 17-18: 421 IP | 59 ERA- | 65 FIP- | 15.2 rWAR | 13.9 fWAR

    05. Burnes 20-22: 428 IP | 63 ERA- | 58 FIP- | 14.0 rWAR | 14.4 fWAR 

    06. Sale 17-18: 372 IP | 57 ERA- | 53 FIP- | 13.8 rWAR | 13.8 fWAR

    07. Cole 18-19: 412 IP | 63 ERA- | 62 FIP- | 13.6 rWAR | 13.4 fWAR 

    08. Kluber 17-18: 418 IP | 58 ERA- | 66 FIP- | 15.2 rWAR | 12.7 fWAR

    09. Arrieta 14-15: 385 IP | 55 ERA- | 61 FIP- | 14.3 rWAR | 12.3 fWAR

    10. Wheeler 20-22: 437 IP | 67 ERA- | 66 FIP- | 13.6 rWAR | 13.3 fWAR 

    11. Jose 13-16: 471 IP | 68 ERA- | 64 FIP- | 13.9 rWAR | 14.5 rWAR

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    9 hours ago, Lajitas said:

    Only five starting pitchers in MLB make $30 M or more.  $30 M plus for Burnes is an overpay.  

    Burnes is certainly top 3 in MLB. And $30 to buy out a single FA year is extremely optimistic. He'll want longer.

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    9 hours ago, Lajitas said:

    Only five starting pitchers in MLB make $30 M or more.  $30 M plus for Burnes is an overpay.  

    Burnes is certainly top 3 in MLB. And $30 to buy out a single FA year is extremely optimistic. He'll want longer.

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    8 hours ago, Lajitas said:

    The whole point of signing a player to an extension is the player gives up future earning potential in exchange for salary security now.  If Burnes' maximum arbitration number for next season is $18 M, it is monumentally stupid for the Brewers to sign him now for that $18 M.  Because that number can only go down in the coming year.  If he projects to earn $30 M in free agency in two years, it's stupid to sign him to that $30 M now.  Because you can just sign him at that time for the $30 M, if you're going to pay it.  Or he'll cost less than that $30 M.

    An extension for Burnes earning him 11/16/25/25/25 is a very reasonable extension for him.  That's $102 M.

    Your logic only works if every player went year-to-year with their contracts. And even then, pretty poorly, as many teams would be fine with a one-year overpay.
    So, I guess it doesn't work at all.

     

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    8 hours ago, Lajitas said:

    The whole point of signing a player to an extension is the player gives up future earning potential in exchange for salary security now.  If Burnes' maximum arbitration number for next season is $18 M, it is monumentally stupid for the Brewers to sign him now for that $18 M.  Because that number can only go down in the coming year.  If he projects to earn $30 M in free agency in two years, it's stupid to sign him to that $30 M now.  Because you can just sign him at that time for the $30 M, if you're going to pay it.  Or he'll cost less than that $30 M.

    An extension for Burnes earning him 11/16/25/25/25 is a very reasonable extension for him.  That's $102 M.

    Your logic only works if every player went year-to-year with their contracts. And even then, pretty poorly, as many teams would be fine with a one-year overpay.
    So, I guess it doesn't work at all.

     

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    12 hours ago, Sixtolezcano said:

    Obviously I brought up Hiura due to your “125 wRC+in a 130 PA” comment in a previous post.  Anyone can manipulate stats with a small sample size of 130 PA. The fact is neither you nor I have any idea what Henderson will accomplish in his career. I would rather have a much more certain player like a Cy Young winner in Burns at a much more valuable position than a prospect like Henderson who you stated with a minimum of 130 PA. Pay attention please.

    Pat attention to WHAT? You STILL haven't made a coherent argument as to why Gunnar Henderson will not be a top 10 SS prospect over the next 6 years. 

    What point have you made? That we don't ABSOLUTELY know what he'll do over the next 6 years? Great. You don't know what with literally anyone. 

    Christian Yelich put up the best two year stretch in Brewers history. Came back and hit .205.

    The absurdity of this argument would be like me pointing out that in 2021 Walker Buehler was worth 6.6 WAR and Burnes was worth 5.6 and now Walker Buehler is out for the year. 

    You want to "pay attention," then look at what prospects the caliber of Henderson do, especially after performing at the MLB level. 

     

    Feels like you're being a contrarian just...simply for the sake of being a contrarian. The consensus among Scouts and Executives have him as one of the top 2-3 prospects in baseball and he's already shown he's not overmatched by MLB pitching(yes, "but Hiura"). 

    He's also an elite defensive player.

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    12 hours ago, Brock Beauchamp said:

    That deGrom contract is interesting. The Verlander one is pretty LOL both in dollars and length. That Senga does seem pretty high, especially at those few years. And yeah, that Diaz number is less than what Liam Hendriks got.

    How does Bowden even have a job at The Athletic? Honest question. 

    I don' think it is. I think it's going to be very close to years and AAV. 

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    3 hours ago, UpandIn said:

    I don' think it is. I think it's going to be very close to years and AAV. 

    I don't see him getting a third year, especially in the same breath as deGrom only getting two. Even if you believe Verlander will get a third year, those two contracts don't make a lot of sense alongside one another.

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    7 hours ago, Brock Beauchamp said:

    I don't see him getting a third year, especially in the same breath as deGrom only getting two. Even if you believe Verlander will get a third year, those two contracts don't make a lot of sense alongside one another.

    I think deGrom gets the shorter contract because he wants the shorter deal. Maybe he'll get a 5/200 with a PO after the 2nd year. I don't know. 

    Verlander on the other hand, I think he'll want the longer deal and he's showing no signs of regression. It also falls in line with pitchers getting shorter deals with higher AAV. New TV money coming in(not NFL type money, but more) and I don't think Verlander has trouble getting ~40AAV and 3 years. 

    Now if deGrom wants a longer deal, I'm sure he'll get it. Beyond those top 2, I think Rodon is pretty accurate and then I think Bowden is...well, typical Bowden. Diaz is looking for 100M and I think he'll get it. He'll set the record for a reliever I would think and being on the Mets already, I think it's just that much more of a given. Maybe he comes in short of 100. 

    I don't think you can get Senga 3/72. That seems like too much, but for a FA pitcher without a posting fee...and one who throws 100 with a plus-plus splitter(apparently, obviously I've just seen a couple pitches from Twitter). 

     

    BUT-If you think that is ridiculous(which I'd understand, but disagree with). Did you see Keith Law's top 50 Free Agent list?

    Carlos Correa. Ok, 28 year old franchise SS, played and played well in several post-seasons.
    Trea Turner #2...alright. Makes sense. He's older, relies on speed, not the defender.
    #3 Dansby Swanson...

    If you just read his top 3, you'd think he forgot about that guy in NY who just put up one of the top offensive seasons in MLB HISTORY. 
    Lots of nonsense after that. 

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    7 hours ago, Brock Beauchamp said:

    I don't see him getting a third year, especially in the same breath as deGrom only getting two. Even if you believe Verlander will get a third year, those two contracts don't make a lot of sense alongside one another.

    I think deGrom gets the shorter contract because he wants the shorter deal. Maybe he'll get a 5/200 with a PO after the 2nd year. I don't know. 

    Verlander on the other hand, I think he'll want the longer deal and he's showing no signs of regression. It also falls in line with pitchers getting shorter deals with higher AAV. New TV money coming in(not NFL type money, but more) and I don't think Verlander has trouble getting ~40AAV and 3 years. 

    Now if deGrom wants a longer deal, I'm sure he'll get it. Beyond those top 2, I think Rodon is pretty accurate and then I think Bowden is...well, typical Bowden. Diaz is looking for 100M and I think he'll get it. He'll set the record for a reliever I would think and being on the Mets already, I think it's just that much more of a given. Maybe he comes in short of 100. 

    I don't think you can get Senga 3/72. That seems like too much, but for a FA pitcher without a posting fee...and one who throws 100 with a plus-plus splitter(apparently, obviously I've just seen a couple pitches from Twitter). 

     

    BUT-If you think that is ridiculous(which I'd understand, but disagree with). Did you see Keith Law's top 50 Free Agent list?

    Carlos Correa. Ok, 28 year old franchise SS, played and played well in several post-seasons.
    Trea Turner #2...alright. Makes sense. He's older, relies on speed, not the defender.
    #3 Dansby Swanson...

    If you just read his top 3, you'd think he forgot about that guy in NY who just put up one of the top offensive seasons in MLB HISTORY. 
    Lots of nonsense after that. 

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    32 minutes ago, UpandIn said:

    BUT-If you think that is ridiculous(which I'd understand, but disagree with). Did you see Keith Law's top 50 Free Agent list?

    Carlos Correa. Ok, 28 year old franchise SS, played and played well in several post-seasons.
    Trea Turner #2...alright. Makes sense. He's older, relies on speed, not the defender.
    #3 Dansby Swanson...

    If you just read his top 3, you'd think he forgot about that guy in NY who just put up one of the top offensive seasons in MLB HISTORY. 
    Lots of nonsense after that. 

    Alright, that’s pretty funny. 

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