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  • Contreras Needs Reality Check on Brewers' Hit-by-Pitches


    Tim Muma

    Milwaukee Brewers' pitchers hit Willson Contreras twice during baseball’s opening weekend, prompting the Chicago Cubs to retaliate. It is another chapter in the book of Contreras where hit-by-pitches are part of his game, but they make him angry.

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    There is nothing inherently wrong with a baseball player willing to take pitches off his body to earn a free pass to first. However, when that is a regular strategy he employs, he forfeits the opportunity to complain except for rare circumstances. As has happened in previous seasons, Brewers’ pitchers plunked Contreras multiple times already this year. That was enough for Contreras and the Cubs.

    In the 8th inning of a 9-0 game, Keegan Thompson threw two pitches targeted for Andrew McCutchen, with the second hitting him flush. It was clearly an intentional message that many with the Brewers believed came from Contreras himself. Watch how Contreras puts his mask back down when things get heated – like he was expecting to get punched.

    The problem with Contreras getting upset about hit-by-pitches is that he is a proactive participant. He dives in toward home plate for his swing and often throws his elbow out to make contact with the ball. There’s a reason he wears an elbow pad on his left arm. Below, you will see him stick his elbow into the strike zone in a game last season.

    Later in that contest, he does not attempt to get out of the way of a pitch moving toward him.

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    Since 2017, Contreras’ first full season in the majors, he has been hit 55 times. That ranks 9th in all of baseball. Milwaukee has plunked him on 15 occasions during that span. If you take away the times the Brewers have hit Contreras, he would still rank 21st in that category. He also has more plate appearances against Milwaukee than any other team in his career.

    The Brewers aren’t throwing at him; they are pitching inside to tie up his hands when he dives toward the plate. Contreras is also willing to stand in and take the ball to his body, so he’s more likely to get drilled compared to other hitters. It is ridiculous for him to continue chirping about it and complaining that pitchers should have better command. It’s going to keep happening, just not intentionally.

    The actual “Bush League” move came from Thompson and the Cubs. Many don’t take issue with a message-sending retaliation pitch, but there is a right and wrong way to do it. McCutchen talked about this briefly in his postgame comments.

    Starting off a hitter with an outside pitch, especially anything that has movement away from the batter, is dangerous and cowardly when you plan to throw at the hitter. That initial delivery can get the batter leaning more toward the plate anticipating more pitches outside. If that pitcher then fires a fastball inside, it’s tougher for the hitter to protect himself, particularly if it’s near his head.

    These types of incidents go away quickly when players police themselves. The issue drags on when guys do things the wrong way and create more animosity in a back-and-forth battle. Milwaukee and Chicago will see each other 16 more times in 2022; this isn’t the last you’ll hear about possible shenanigans. The odds are excellent that Contreras will be hit at least one more time this season; how the Cubs react will indicate what they have learned.

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    4 hours ago, Brock Beauchamp said:

    The thing is that standing on the plate and HBP is legitimately a skill that can and is repeated. It's super weird to knowingly execute that skill and then complain when you're awarded a base for it.

    Unless you have so little self awareness that you don't realize you're executing that skill effectively... I guess that's legitimately a possibility but it seems really unlikely.

    Yeah, you didn't see Craig Biggio complaining about being hit. 

    I wonder if Hughie Jennings did!! Two more HBP than Biggio in about 40% of the plate appearances!! 

    Rank Player (yrs, age) Hit By Pitch PA Bats
    1. Hughie Jennings+ (18) 287 5648 R
    2. Craig Biggio+ (20) 285 12504 R
    3. Tommy Tucker (13) 272 7273 B
    4. Don Baylor (19) 267 9401 R
    5. Jason Kendall (15) 254 8702 R
    6. Ron Hunt (12) 243 6158 R
    7. Dan McGann (12) 230 6057 B
    8. Chase Utley (16) 204 7863 L
    9. Frank Robinson+ (21) 198 11744 R
    10. Minnie Minoso+ (20) 197 8233 R

     

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    4 hours ago, Brock Beauchamp said:

    The thing is that standing on the plate and HBP is legitimately a skill that can and is repeated. It's super weird to knowingly execute that skill and then complain when you're awarded a base for it.

    Unless you have so little self awareness that you don't realize you're executing that skill effectively... I guess that's legitimately a possibility but it seems really unlikely.

    Yeah, you didn't see Craig Biggio complaining about being hit. 

    I wonder if Hughie Jennings did!! Two more HBP than Biggio in about 40% of the plate appearances!! 

    Rank Player (yrs, age) Hit By Pitch PA Bats
    1. Hughie Jennings+ (18) 287 5648 R
    2. Craig Biggio+ (20) 285 12504 R
    3. Tommy Tucker (13) 272 7273 B
    4. Don Baylor (19) 267 9401 R
    5. Jason Kendall (15) 254 8702 R
    6. Ron Hunt (12) 243 6158 R
    7. Dan McGann (12) 230 6057 B
    8. Chase Utley (16) 204 7863 L
    9. Frank Robinson+ (21) 198 11744 R
    10. Minnie Minoso+ (20) 197 8233 R

     

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    I'm legitimately not sure if Willson Contreras understands how baseball works. There's an article with comments from him claiming MLB's lack of consistency in punishing players for HBP. He seriously doesn't understand how no Brewers have been suspended while Cubs players have been suspended twice (and the manager once) in the last two seasons.

    Willson Contreras sees a lack of consistency in punishment for the Chicago Cubs-Milwaukee Brewers feud - United News Post

    Willson, dude, hitting a guy on purpose (or attempting to as they did against Brandon Woodruff last season) is against the rules. Non-intentional HBP are not. It's really that simple.

    It's funny how the Cubs keep trying to paint themselves as the victims when they're clearly the aggressors. Am I capable of understanding they want to send the Brewers a message by throwing at Cutch? Sure, fine, but it'd be great if they'd act like adults and not whine about it afterwards like they didn't just blatantly target a guy.

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    I'm legitimately not sure if Willson Contreras understands how baseball works. There's an article with comments from him claiming MLB's lack of consistency in punishing players for HBP. He seriously doesn't understand how no Brewers have been suspended while Cubs players have been suspended twice (and the manager once) in the last two seasons.

    Willson Contreras sees a lack of consistency in punishment for the Chicago Cubs-Milwaukee Brewers feud - United News Post

    Willson, dude, hitting a guy on purpose (or attempting to as they did against Brandon Woodruff last season) is against the rules. Non-intentional HBP are not. It's really that simple.

    It's funny how the Cubs keep trying to paint themselves as the victims when they're clearly the aggressors. Am I capable of understanding they want to send the Brewers a message by throwing at Cutch? Sure, fine, but it'd be great if they'd act like adults and not whine about it afterwards like they didn't just blatantly target a guy.

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    2 hours ago, SeaBass said:

    I'm legitimately not sure if Willson Contreras understands how baseball works. There's an article with comments from him claiming MLB's lack of consistency in punishing players for HBP. He seriously doesn't understand how no Brewers have been suspended while Cubs players have been suspended twice (and the manager once) in the last two seasons.

    Willson Contreras sees a lack of consistency in punishment for the Chicago Cubs-Milwaukee Brewers feud - United News Post

    Willson, dude, hitting a guy on purpose (or attempting to as they did against Brandon Woodruff last season) is against the rules. Non-intentional HBP are not. It's really that simple.

    It's funny how the Cubs keep trying to paint themselves as the victims when they're clearly the aggressors. Am I capable of understanding they want to send the Brewers a message by throwing at Cutch? Sure, fine, but it'd be great if they'd act like adults and not whine about it afterwards like they didn't just blatantly target a guy.

    That's some Cardinals level thinking from Willy. Let's also not forget about the Pirates constantly throwing at Braun for years after he "pimped" a game winning homer against them. I can't even remember the last time the Brewers threw at someone (maybe McClung against the Cardinals?) but teams sure love to throw at us.

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    2 hours ago, SeaBass said:

    I'm legitimately not sure if Willson Contreras understands how baseball works. There's an article with comments from him claiming MLB's lack of consistency in punishing players for HBP. He seriously doesn't understand how no Brewers have been suspended while Cubs players have been suspended twice (and the manager once) in the last two seasons.

    Willson Contreras sees a lack of consistency in punishment for the Chicago Cubs-Milwaukee Brewers feud - United News Post

    Willson, dude, hitting a guy on purpose (or attempting to as they did against Brandon Woodruff last season) is against the rules. Non-intentional HBP are not. It's really that simple.

    It's funny how the Cubs keep trying to paint themselves as the victims when they're clearly the aggressors. Am I capable of understanding they want to send the Brewers a message by throwing at Cutch? Sure, fine, but it'd be great if they'd act like adults and not whine about it afterwards like they didn't just blatantly target a guy.

    That's some Cardinals level thinking from Willy. Let's also not forget about the Pirates constantly throwing at Braun for years after he "pimped" a game winning homer against them. I can't even remember the last time the Brewers threw at someone (maybe McClung against the Cardinals?) but teams sure love to throw at us.

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