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  • Brewers Win Pyrrhic Victory Over Corbin Burnes in MLB Arbitration Case


    Matthew Trueblood

    On Wednesday, we learned that the Milwaukee Brewers had won their arbitration case against ace starting pitcher Corbin Burnes. He'll make $10.01 million this year, instead of the $10.75 million he requested. On Thursday in Arizona, Burnes told us what it all really cost.

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    As Corbin Burnes understood it, the Brewers made the argument that he was "in the forefront of the reason why we didn't make the postseason last year" during the hearing earlier this week. That was the big takeaway from his polite but angry account of the process of salary arbitration, delivered to reporters at the team's spring training complex Thursday morning. Whether the team intended to argue that, exactly, will remain unknowable to us, because the hearing itself will not become a matter of public record. All that really matters, though, is that that is what Burnes heard.

    This, as many have said, is the gigantic risk a team takes by going to arbitration with a player who is critical to their short- and long-term prospects for success. While the difference between the figures at which each side filed (nearly $750,000) is more significant than the general narrative has allowed, it's now likely that they'll spend more than that amount cleaning up the mess they've made. It will cost them incrementally more to extend some other player, or to convince a free agent to join their cutthroat gang. It will hurt their image with fans, many of whom already resented the thought process behind the Josh Hader trade and the general approach to this past offseason. They'll lose money, and they might well lose Burnes.

    Worse, the case is grossly unfounded. Burnes did struggle down the stretch last year, with a 4.27 ERA in his final 10 outings, but the team went 6-4 in those games, and he was more uneven than truly bad.

    2022 Pitching Game Log
    Date   Opp Rslt Inngs Dec DR IP H R ER BB SO HR HBP ERA Pit WPA cWPA
    Aug 18   LAD W,5-3 GS-6 W(9-5) 4 5.2 6 3 3 2 6 0 0 2.48 103 0.095 0.06%
    Aug 23 @ LAD L,1-10 GS-4 L(9-6) 4 3.2 5 7 4 2 3 1 1 2.66 81 -0.293 -0.18%
    Aug 29   PIT W,7-5 GS-6   5 6.0 8 5 5 1 5 2 0 2.84 102 -0.327 -0.20%
    Sep 3 @ ARI W,8-6 GS-6   4 5.2 7 5 5 3 5 1 0 3.02 110 -0.269 -0.15%
    Sep 8(1)   SFG W,2-1 GS-8 W(10-6) 4 8.0 3 1 1 0 14 0 1 2.93 100 0.437 0.23%
    Sep 14 @ STL L,1-4 GS-7 L(10-7) 5 7.0 7 3 3 1 5 2 1 2.97 107 -0.080 -0.06%
    Sep 19   NYM L,2-7 GS-6 L(10-8) 4 5.2 7 5 5 1 4 1 0 3.12 100 -0.203 -0.16%
    Sep 24 @ CIN W,10-2 GS-7 W(11-8) 4 6.1 4 2 2 3 8 0 0 3.11 102 0.139 0.13%
    Sep 30   MIA W,1-0 GS-8 W(12-8) 5 8.0 4 0 0 0 7 0 0 2.98 103 0.563 0.66%
    Oct 5   ARI L,2-4 GS-3   4 3.0 0 0 0 0 5 0 0 2.94 40 0.152 0.21%
          20-13   W-L:12-8 4.7 202.0 144 73 66 51 243 23 13 2.94 3274 3.173 2.74%
    Provided by Baseball-Reference.com: View Original Table
    Generated 2/16/2023.

    Note that there are two games in that stretch against the juggernaut Dodgers, one against the Cardinals, and another against the Mets. There are also two games Burnes won virtually singlehandedly, shielding a weary bullpen by not only shutting down the opponent but doing so for eight innings while the offense did the bare minimum. He increased the team's Championship Win Probability Added even during the toughest stretch of his season, and the fact that he wore down slightly can't be fairly held against him under the circumstances. He bore up under the weight placed upon him precisely the way an ace ought to do.

    Next time he's asked to pitch deep into September and push his odometer past 200 innings in pursuit of a playoff spot, he's likely to be better able to sustain himself. He'd never gotten the chance to do it before, thanks to the six-man rotation in 2021 and the stunted 2020 season. Surely, he learned much from the minor struggles he endured late in 2022. The Brewers probably should have considered that and given him credit for it, rather than viewing a minor underperformance as an opportunity to seize leverage and cancel out one minimum-salary roster slot by inflicting a Pyrrhic victory on themselves and their best player.

    Here are Burnes's remarks, with a hat tip to MLB.com beat writer Adam McCalvy.

    We're eager to hear from you. This kind of grievance can be overblown, and the Crew could turn and spend their savings from this win on further reinforcement of the bullpen. Is there any way they can salvage this, in your eyes?

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    20 minutes ago, Seth Stohs said:

    I can't be the only one who had to look up what "Pyrrhic Victory" meant... right? 

    Certainly not. I had to look it up and then return back to this page on how to spell it correctly.   
     

    with that being said. I’m less of a Brewers fan today than I was yesterday.  This actually pisses me off.  

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    1 minute ago, MVP2110 said:

    The Braves have taken Dansby Swanson & Max Fried each to arb twice in the last couple years. They are certainly not afraid to take their best players to arbitration 

    In that line of thinking, I guess the Brewers should take more of their players to arbitration as the Braves have more than zero (and recent) World Series wins.

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    1 minute ago, PeterBal said:

    Let me ask this in a different way: in your opinion, should the Brewers have let Burnes go to an arbitration hearing? If you answer yes, then also please answer what the benefit of that hearing does for the Brewers. I’m not sure we’ve read/heard what the “endgame strategy” is for this arbitration hearing.

    Without knowing the context of negotiations that's a hard question to answer. 

    As explained in the other thread this isn't just Burnes vs the Brewers, it's basically every player vs all 30 MLB clubs. When teams submit their proposals they first have to send them to all 29 other MLB teams before they send it to the player and there is immense pressure not to be the team who sets a new precedent because they precedent ends up costing all 30 clubs millions of dollars in the long run(think compounding interest). All 30 MLB Front Offices work together essentially to keep players salaries down league wide and every player and agent works to raise salaries league wide. It is essentially legal collusion and it was a system initially proposed by the players

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    3 minutes ago, MVP2110 said:

    Without knowing the context of negotiations that's a hard question to answer. 

    As explained in the other thread this isn't just Burnes vs the Brewers, it's basically every player vs all 30 MLB clubs. When teams submit their proposals they first have to send them to all 29 other MLB teams before they send it to the player and there is immense pressure not to be the team who sets a new precedent because they precedent ends up costing all 30 clubs millions of dollars in the long run(think compounding interest). All 30 MLB Front Offices work together essentially to keep players salaries down league wide and every player and agent works to raise salaries league wide. It is essentially legal collusion and it was a system initially proposed by the players

    Appreciate the explanation but it’s kind of a cop out. I think it’s actually okay to be annoyed with the Brewers and their handling of Burnes. Brewers’ front office apologists will not get us playoff series wins or World Series wins. That’s a fact. I think the Brewers messed this up. Plain and simple.

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    2 minutes ago, PeterBal said:

    Appreciate the explanation but it’s kind of a cop out. I think it’s actually okay to be annoyed with the Brewers and their handling of Burnes. Brewers’ front office apologists will not get us playoff series wins or World Series wins. That’s a fact. I think the Brewers messed this up. Plain and simple.

    In a vacuum of course, if Burnes had asked for 20 million he'd be worth it but that's not the system we have and it's not changing. This is a system problem, not a Brewer problem

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    3 minutes ago, MVP2110 said:

    In a vacuum of course, if Burnes had asked for 20 million he'd be worth it but that's not the system we have and it's not changing. This is a system problem, not a Brewer problem

    On that we can mostly agree, however, the crux of this thread is that the Brewers are being petty with a true, undisputed ace, who has the ability to help lead the Brewers to Post-season play. So it is, a Brewer problem, as well.

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    37 minutes ago, PeterBal said:

    The point, and question, is: Does a team TRULY committed to making the post-season or making a legitimate World Series run handle this like this?

    I think you know the answer.

    The Braves after winning a WS filed a $200K arb difference with their star pitcher Max Fried. I guess we now know the Braves aren't committed to making the postseason or making a legitimate World Series run. 

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    5 minutes ago, wiguy94 said:

    The Braves after winning a WS filed a $200K arb difference with their star pitcher Max Fried. I guess we now know the Braves aren't committed to making the postseason or making a legitimate World Series run. 

    At least they made it to and won the World Series. When the Brewers can do that, we’ll talk. Until then, dumb move on the Brewers part. You know it and so does everyone else. Let’s call it like we see it.

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    Just now, PeterBal said:

    At least they made it to and won the World Series. When the Brewers can do that, we’ll talk. Until then, dumb move on the Brewers part. You know it and so does everyone else. Let’s call it like we see it.

    No don't walk it back now. You said what the Brewers did to Burnes is only something an unserious franchise with no interest in winning would do which is patently false. 

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    6 minutes ago, wiguy94 said:

    No don't walk it back now. You said what the Brewers did to Burnes is only something an unserious franchise with no interest in winning would do which is patently false. 

    Not walking it back and for you to call that out as such is petty and a clear misunderstanding of the “intent” of my original post all the way up at the top, which is, the Brewers don’t seem to be making the best decisions for their team to take the next logical step to be successful, and folks like you who continually argue and support their efforts are frustrating because it seems to be just that - arguing for arguing sake.

    Again, if one of the people here who supports this arbitration hearing can give me the benefits of the outcome and how it helps the team, I’m all ears. 

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    3 minutes ago, PeterBal said:

    Not walking it back and for you to call that out as such is petty and a clear misunderstanding of the “intent” of my original post all the way up at the top, which is, the Brewers don’t seem to be making the best decisions for their team to take the next logical step to be successful, and folks like you who continually argue and support their efforts are frustrating because it seems to be just that - arguing for arguing sake.

    Again, if one of the people here who supports this arbitration hearing can give me the benefits of the outcome and how it helps the team, I’m all ears. 

    This was never about helping the team unfortunately, this is about helping all 30 clubs keep players salaries lower(and Burnes and his agent trying to raise player salaries). That's the system we have and it's unfortunate 

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    Just now, MVP2110 said:

    This was never about helping the team unfortunately, this is about helping all 30 clubs keep players salaries lower(and Burnes and his agent trying to raise player salaries). That's the system we have and it's unfortunate 

    How much do the Brewers pay you? 😉

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    10 minutes ago, PeterBal said:

    the Brewers don’t seem to be making the best decisions for their team to take the next logical step to be successful

    How would giving Burnes that extra $750K make us more successful? 

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    8 minutes ago, wiguy94 said:

    How would giving Burnes that extra $750K make us more successful? 

    C’mon, you know that’s not the case. That’s just a wiseguy comment. It’s like I said earlier, it’s a morale thing, it’s an opportunity to potentially keep him longer as a Brewer, it’s about the ‘right thing to do’ for being arguably the best SP in MLB.

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    1 hour ago, Sixtolezcano said:

    Well I believe this just cements Burnes moving on from the Brewers in either 2023 or 2024. I seriously doubt that there is any way Burnes wants to stay a Brewer.

    If you didn't already realize as much after he won the Cy Young award in 2021 and entered into arbitration and there wasn't a contract extension announced that offseason, I'm not sure what else you were expecting.

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    6 hours ago, MVP2110 said:

    Ps. Why do we have two separate threads on the same topic? 

    I agree. We have a 6 page thread already, we should just post the article and link to it in the other thread. We don't need two.

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    2 hours ago, Fear The Chorizo said:

    If you didn't already realize as much after he won the Cy Young award in 2021 and entered into arbitration and there wasn't a contract extension announced that offseason, I'm not sure what else you were expecting.

    Sorry! I guess I was just wishful thinking. I’ll be better next time. OK?

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    20 hours ago, Matthew Trueblood said:

    On Wednesday........ Is there any way they can salvage this, in your eyes?

     

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    For a paid contribution this is crap.  The Brewers suck, is there any way they can salvage this?

    Really?  How about a hint of neutrality.  Take a look at the two threads regarding this topic.  In there are lots of explanations of how the system works.  There should have been a little bit of knowledge about this topic before throwing this out there.

    As for both threads.  This is a huge nothing burger.  The Brewers reputation was not hurt in the least among the league or potential free agents a year from now.  When the Brewers make the next offer to a FA, they will look at the bottom line not how the Brewers acted in arbitration.  Nobody cares except fans.  Burns says his feelings are hurt but he will be over it in a day or two when he realizes this is how it works and he is doing what he loves.

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    17 hours ago, jason21nl said:

    Certainly not. I had to look it up and then return back to this page on how to spell it correctly.   
     

    with that being said. I’m less of a Brewers fan today than I was yesterday.  This actually pisses me off.  

    I really don’t understand the bolded statement.

    Were you less of a Brewers fan when they’ve gone to arby with players in the past and did the exact same thing when making their arguments to the panel?

    Why aren’t you also upset at Burnes team for not meeting the Brewers in the middle and avoiding arby all together? The remaining 10 players who were all arby eligible managed to settle with the team and avoid this.

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    17 hours ago, PeterBal said:

    How much do the Brewers pay you? 😉

    Let’s not make this personal. MVP is simply stating how arbitration works and their points are accurate.

    Whether it’s a bad system or not is kind of a separate argument, one I can’t recall seeing anyone make. Arb is considered universally awful by pretty much everyone.

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    50 minutes ago, GreatNWwi said:

    For a paid contribution this is crap.  The Brewers suck, is there any way they can salvage this?

    Really?  How about a hint of neutrality.  Take a look at the two threads regarding this topic.  In there are lots of explanations of how the system works.  There should have been a little bit of knowledge about this topic before throwing this out there.

    As for both threads.  This is a huge nothing burger.  The Brewers reputation was not hurt in the least among the league or potential free agents a year from now.  When the Brewers make the next offer to a FA, they will look at the bottom line not how the Brewers acted in arbitration.  Nobody cares except fans.  Burns says his feelings are hurt but he will be over it in a day or two when he realizes this is how it works and he is doing what he loves.

    Neutrality isn’t necessarily an admirable trait. Sometimes people actually have opinions on things and that’s fine. Even with the weirdness and dumb rules of arb, having a star player openly talk about being frustrated/angry isn’t a good look for an organization. I guarantee Matt understands the nuances of arb, that’s not the issue here  

    Matt isn’t here to defend the Brewers. He isn’t here to blast them, either. His role is to analyze what they do and come to a conclusion. 

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