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  • Brewers Spring Training Battles: Javy Guerra vs. Joel Payamps vs. Gus Varland


    Matthew Trueblood

    To close out our weeklong series highlighting the battles for roster spots and key roles on the Milwaukee Brewers during spring training, let’s turn our attention to the bullpen. There are probably two open spots available there, and three pitchers who will vie for the gigs.

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    We should start by listing the locks for the Brewers’ relief corps to open the season. Devin Williams, Matt Bush, Peter Strzelecki, and Hoby Milner have earned virtually guaranteed spots on the roster, thanks to their track records and recent performances. Milner’s left-handedness does half the work for him, in that regard. 

    Less obvious (but nearly as certain) is Bryse Wilson, whom the team acquired via trade this winter and who will be the subject of one of our pieces next week on the club’s biggest X-factors for 2023. He has no minor-league options remaining, and the team targeted him because they think he can be effective. That makes five, and the sixth slot will be reserved for Adrian Houser, assuming that Wade Miley is healthy and solid enough to claim the fifth starting job come Opening Day.

    That leaves two spaces in the eight-man bullpen, and there are at least three serious candidates for the job: Javy Guerra, Joel Payamps, and Gus Varland. Let’s touch on each, and why they’re in the mix.

    Guerra, like Wilson, came to the Crew via trade this offseason, though the move was a bit less proactive. The Rays needed to clear space on their 40-man roster, and Guerra became a casualty of that crunch. The converted shortstop, now 27, just moved to the mound in 2019, and he has more capacity for improvement and reinvention than most pitchers his age.

    That said, the Brewers snagged him because they already see upside in what he does. In the minors with the Padres in 2021, he found more riding action on his four-seam fastball, and the Rays helped him lock in that adjustment in 2022. With his short stature and low arm slot, he creates the same formidable vertical approach angle (VAA) that Strzelecki, Freddy Peralta, and other Brewers do, and the team will try to help him attack the top of the zone with the four-seamer. 

    If he can do so, he’ll be a versatile weapon in relief, because his high-90s sinker and sharp slider make him tough on right-handed batters already. Being able to swap out the sinker for the four-seamer against lefties would open things up for him. The stakes are high for him in camp, though, because he’s out of minor-league options. If he isn’t on the active roster or the injured list, he’s unlikely to stay in the Brewers organization.

    The same is true of Payamps, who was a throw-in in the trade that netted Milwaukee William Contreras. A much more traditional reliever in terms of size, stuff, and career arc, Payamps still has some unique traits, too. He is, nominally, a four-pitch reliever, which is rare in the modern game. In truth, though, he mostly mixes four-seamers and changeups against lefties, with a smattering of sliders; and sinkers and sliders against righties, with a smattering of four-seamers. 

    Payamps and Guerra both have messy deliveries, but Payamps has already cleaned his up quite a bit, relative to a few years ago, so it’s unlikely his mechanics will suddenly take a turn for the gorgeous. He did firm up and reshape his slider a bit toward the end of 2022, though. It’s more of a sweeper, if the new form he found in Oakland can be sustained, and that would make it a better partner to his sinker against righties.

    While both Payamps and Guerra are out of options, Varland technically has all of his remaining. Alas, that’s only because he had yet to be added to the Dodgers’ 40-man rotation, which is why the Brewers were able to pluck him in the Rule 5 Draft. The effect is the same as if he were out of options, from the team’s side: If he doesn’t make the roster, he departs the org. 

    Varland was a starter until the early part of 2022, when he stalled out in that role in Double A and was moved to the bullpen. He proved the quality of his stuff down the stretch, with 46 strikeouts and just eight walks in a little over 30 innings after July 1. He still allowed too many hits and runs, though, which made not protecting him a fairly easy call for Los Angeles.

    Still, there’s upside here. Of the three candidates for the jobs, it’s Varland who will probably throw hardest this season. It’s also Varland who has the cleanest and most Breweresque mechanics, although the tempo of his delivery can get him into some trouble and compromise his deception.

    Beyond these three lie still more possibilities, including some delightfully weird ones. Could Alex Claudio really force his way back onto the Brewers, in 2023? Could Lucas Erceg, rather than Guerra, be the converted position player who carves out a role? Could Ethan Small show such upside in shorter bursts that the team eschews the chance to keep him stretched out as depth for the rotation?

    As fun as those are, though, they’re unlikely options. It’s much more realistic, and probably better, to hope for two of Guerra, Payamps, and Varland to step up and become reliable middle relievers. Each has so many intriguing questions surrounding them, though, that the spring really will determine who stays and who goes. Let the debate over which should be which begin. 

     

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    Yea we aren't talking about what appears to be a fringe major leaguer with Cousins. Cousins has be great during his time in the majors, you play the options game when the 2 players are of similar quality. 

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    1 hour ago, Brewcrew82 said:

    Counterpoint:

    Adam Ottavino, who Cousins has a similar arsenal to in terms of relying almost exclusively on a mid 90s two-seamer and a sharp, biting slider, put up the following splits last season: 

    .301/.358/.479/.837 vs. RHP; .160/.226/.253/.479

    So, like Cousins, Ottavino also has sharp splits largely due to his reliance on his slider. Yet, Ottavino was one of the best relievers in the majors last year as the set-up man for Edwin Diaz (and has been really good before then). 

    Yes, you probably don't want to use him in situations with multiple lefties up and he could stand to improve his control (which is quite similar to Ottavino before last year fwiw), but Cousins has proven himself to be a capable high-leverage arm with the ability to rack-up K's in droves. A tandem with Strzelecki and Cousins in the 6th/7th innings could be lethal. I have no idea why the Brewers would want to stash him in AAA in favor of Bryse Wilson. 

    Ottavino had 7 BB+HBP in 81 PA against LHP and their success against him was largely on the back of a .392 BABIP. His command is miles above Cousins so comparing them is pretty pointless. Plus Ottavino's arsenal is more diverse than Cousins.

    Ottavino's aresenal last year: SL - 43%, SI - 33%, 4FB - 12%, CH - 7%, CU - 5%,

    Cousins' arsenal last year: SL - 56%, SI - 43%, CH - 1%

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    10 minutes ago, wiguy94 said:

    Ottavino had 7 BB+HBP in 81 PA against LHP and their success against him was largely on the back of a .392 BABIP. His command is miles above Cousins so comparing them is pretty pointless. Plus Ottavino's arsenal is more diverse than Cousins.

    Ottavino's aresenal last year: SL - 43%, SI - 33%, 4FB - 12%, CH - 7%, CU - 5%,

    Cousins' arsenal last year: SL - 56%, SI - 43%, CH - 1%

    That's why I said, "until last year". Ottavino's BB%'s from 2017-2021: 16%, 11.7%, 14.1%, 10.6%, 13%. And Ottavino was still a really good pitcher most of those years...Cousins has walk issues, yes, but they're not that dissimilar from Ottavino's before last year. And his peripherals are very solid.

    "Their success against him was largely on the back of a .392 BABIP." Well, Ottavino also has a career .796 OPS against LHH, nearly 200 points higher than against RHH.....

    More diverse arsenal than Cousins? I suppose, though that doesn't change the fact that they're both heavy slider/sinker pitchers...

    Far from a pointless comparison. Fact of the matter is that Cousins has been one of our best relievers over the past two seasons when healthy. Stashing him in AAA for the sake of keeping Bryse Wilson on the roster would be silly. 

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    Unless there are injuries, the Opening Day bullpen will be all about who has options and who doesn't. I expect Cousins and Strez to be in AAA to start the season. (baring injuries)

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    3 minutes ago, wallus said:

    Unless there are injuries, the Opening Day bullpen will be all about who has options and who doesn't. I expect Cousins and Strez to be in AAA to start the season. (baring injuries)

    I'd consider Strzelecki basically a lock. Brewers have talked about him as high leverage guy pretty much all offseason. Cousins not so much a lock. He has a chance to make the opening day roster, but likely would involve showing some improvement on his command this spring training.

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    2 minutes ago, wiguy94 said:

    I'd consider Strzelecki basically a lock. Brewers have talked about him as high leverage guy pretty much all offseason. Cousins not so much a lock. He has a chance to make the opening day roster, but likely would involve showing some improvement on his command this spring training.

    Maybe but the odds of a real injury or some "discomfort" that leads to an IL stint is probably pretty high. These situations usually work themselves out.

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    1 minute ago, wallus said:

    Maybe but the odds of a real injury or some "discomfort" that leads to an IL stint is probably pretty high. These situations usually work themselves out.

    Why are the odds of an injury or "discomfort" leading to an IL stint pretty high for Strzelecki...a guy the Brewers have been talking up all offseason. 

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    1 minute ago, wiguy94 said:

    Why are the odds of an injury or "discomfort" leading to an IL stint pretty high for Strzelecki...a guy the Brewers have been talking up all offseason. 

    I was talking about the bullpen candidates and not Strzelecki himself...

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    6 minutes ago, wallus said:

    I was talking about the bullpen candidates and not Strzelecki himself...

    Assuming health, what is your opening day bullpen that puts Strzelecki in AAA? Also assume we carry 6 SP (Burnes, Woodruff, Freddy, Lauer, Miley, Houser) so you only need 7 RP.

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    52 minutes ago, wiguy94 said:

    Assuming health, what is your opening day bullpen that puts Strzelecki in AAA? Also assume we carry 6 SP (Burnes, Woodruff, Freddy, Lauer, Miley, Houser) so you only need 7 RP.

    Williams, Bush, Milner, Wilson, Houser, Guerra, Payamps, and Varland.

    This could change if Varland really falls on his face or if they send some cash or a lotto ticket to the Dodgers so we can send Varland to AAA. 

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    8 hours ago, Brewcrew82 said:

    That's why I said, "until last year". Ottavino's BB%'s from 2017-2021: 16%, 11.7%, 14.1%, 10.6%, 13%. And Ottavino was still a really good pitcher most of those years...Cousins has walk issues, yes, but they're not that dissimilar from Ottavino's before last year. And his peripherals are very solid.

    "Their success against him was largely on the back of a .392 BABIP." Well, Ottavino also has a career .796 OPS against LHH, nearly 200 points higher than against RHH.....

    More diverse arsenal than Cousins? I suppose, though that doesn't change the fact that they're both heavy slider/sinker pitchers...

    Far from a pointless comparison. Fact of the matter is that Cousins has been one of our best relievers over the past two seasons when healthy. Stashing him in AAA for the sake of keeping Bryse Wilson on the roster would be silly. 

    Agree with the author that Bryse Wilson is a virtual lock to make the bullpen unless he really stinks it up in ST. I think the Brewers feel his stuff will play-up some pitching shorter stints out of the pen as well.

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    2 hours ago, SF70 said:

    Agree with the author that Bryse Wilson is a virtual lock to make the bullpen unless he really stinks it up in ST. I think the Brewers feel his stuff will play-up some pitching shorter stints out of the pen as well.

    That's fine... He takes Guerra or Payamp's spot in the pen.

    Cousins needs to be in the bullpen come OD, dude is a legit bullpen arm.

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