Corey Hart 30/30?

[PlayerHader]

What do you say? What are the odds Corey Hart becomes a 30/30 guy this season?

 

I think he's going to do it. I guess it depends on his oppurtunities to run.

[erbacaine04]

I think he will do it..... He did not play full time the first month or so because of injury and struggling against a righties.... they really did not send him stealing that much until like June when he was the leadoff man when Weeks was on the DL, so yeah I think its very possible we have 2 30/30 guys this year in Weeks and Hart..... hell If Braun gets enough chances to run to..could have 2 30/30 guys and a 40/30 man...lol

[twobrewers]

Not really sure if this is the place to put it, but this is a quote from todays JS article on Corey Hart...

"I had a different view of life before (my kids)," he said. "There was more selfishness. Now I have them, and my whole career isn't necessarily what it would have been. I need security now. I have more desire because I have more people to feed than me."

That, to me, sounds like a player who would be interested in signing a multi-year deal.

[DrWood]

If he leads off a fair bit, 30 SB is reasonable. Of course, no one wants him to lead off much, unless Weeks is on a 60 HR pace and is put behind Fielder in the order. Hart is not likely to exceed 30 HR or 30SB, but he could do both. Less than 25% to be a 30/30 guy.

[erbacaine04]

If he leads off a fair bit, 30 SB is reasonable. Of course, no one wants him to lead off much, unless Weeks is on a 60 HR pace and is put behind Fielder in the order. Hart is not likely to exceed 30 HR or 30SB, but he could do both. Less than 25% to be a 30/30 guy.

I think with him hitting behind fielder and Braun and ahead of Hall or Cameron he will get his chances to run... and they wont feel bad about sending him in front of a guy like Hall... of course if Fielder and Braun are on base then that clogs up the bases a bit more....but I see him actually haveing 32 HRs this year and 35 SBs...

 

 

[JohnBriggs12]

He's a 30/30 threat that is for sure whether it's this year or not. I would not put it past Weeks either. His September numbers: 9 HR, 10 steals.

 

Has any team had two 30/30 guys in the same year?

[erbacaine04]

He's a 30/30 threat that is for sure whether it's this year or not. I would not put it past Weeks either. His September numbers: 9 HR, 10 steals.

 

Has any team had two 30/30 guys in the same year?

I thought the Mets were close with Beltran and Wright last year

[BrewCrewForever]

I could for sure see Hart getting 30/30. If he doesn't he will come very close and 100% will be a 20/20 guy.

[bullox]

That, to me, sounds like a player who would be interested in signing a multi-year deal.

Hang on a minute. Weren't you advocating taking the players year-to-year to minimize risk because of all of the bad multi-year deals in the past?

 

[Tbadder]

Not sure I want him running that much, but what the hey, it's possible. If he were batting 6th or 7th I'd say he had a better chance since manufacturing runs are probably more at a preimium down in the order. My gut tells me he falls a little short in the SB dept.

[DrWood]

I looked at splits for every team last year. No team got 30 SB out of ANY position in the order except for 1st, 2nd, and 3rd. Only 4 teams got 30 SB out of 2nd in order and 2 teams got 30 SB out of 3rd in the order. Unless Hart bats 2nd (or first), I'd say his chance at 30 steals is very low.

[fondybrewfan]

I think he would have a decent shot, although to actually predict a 30/30 season is a little foolish IMO. 30/30 guys just dont occur that often.

 

We could also have like 4 20/20 guys if we really wanted (Weeks, Hart, Braun, Cameron)

 

This team has a very unique blend of speed and raw power. We aren't exactly a contact/singles hitting team. If we do hit it it tends to be hit very very hard.

[erbacaine04]

But Drwood not to many teams have the option of 4 guys with speed like the Brewers do... I think the only other team that is as fast as the Brewers is the Cubs with Pie, Soriano(when healthy), Theriot and Fukudome....

 

Most teams if they have a speedy guy will be the leadoff man...thats Weeks for us... then usually the next speedy guy is usually the slap hitting OBP guy that can bat #2.....then there MIGHT be a speedy power hitter like a Beltran or Wright...

 

The things is our Number 2 hitter is not going to be one of our fast guys unless they use Cameron there...

 

Our main Power hitter is prince...

 

So in the grand scheme of things not to many teams have the luxury of having a 30/30 type guy this far down in the order.....usually thats a guy like Beltran that will bat 3rd....

[DrWood]

Hart would be fine hitting 2nd.

I think you underestimate the speed on other teams; the brewers were not exactly league leaders in SB. The reason why there aren't many SB outside of the first three guys in the order is that there aren't many opportunities for them. If you go out of your way to manufacture opportunities, it is probably at the cost of a few runs, rather than increasing them.

I'd bet on 20 SB for Hart, not 30, unless he is batting a lot in the top 3 positions.

[brewjihad]

How nice is it to be a Brewer fan these days? We can talk about our number 5 hitter as a possible 30/30 guy.

[twobrewers]

Hang on a minute. Weren't you advocating taking the players year-to-year to minimize risk because of all of the bad multi-year deals in the past?

 

 

Now you are just putting words into my mouth. I never said we should sign Corey Hart to a multi-year deal. I just said he sounds like he might be open to the idea. (As opposes to Prince who gave the "I let my agent handle that business" response)

[Ennder]

How nice is it to be a Brewer fan these days? We can talk about our number 5 hitter as a possible 30/30 guy.

 

What do you mean by that!

 

Brewers opening day lineup in 2004.

 

Podsednik

Counsell

Spivey

Jenkins

Overbay

Helms

Grieve

Moeller

Sheets

 

How things have changed in just four years, heh.

[NastyTwig]

Weeks leading off with Kendall behind him = Easy 30 SB

 

Hart hitting 5th with Cameron behind him = Easy 30 SB

 

That's what I want the lineup to look like. Kendall and Cameron are OBP guys that take a lot of pitches, and can move runners over if they need to.

 

This is all based on Kendall's career going back to normal after getting his eyes fixed. Lasik makes a huge difference just watching TV, imagine what he's been seeing these past few years.

[danzig6767]

How nice is it to be a Brewer fan these days? We can talk about our number 5 hitter as a possible 30/30 guy.

... How things have changed in just four years, heh.

No kidding. Our lineup this year will not only be easy top 5 power wise in baseball, it's one of the fastest overall. Most teams with tons of power tend to have non-athletic players, the Brewers can not only steal bases, they will go from base to base at an above average clip.

 

 

(pared back long quote --1992)

[brewtank34]

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Counsell

Spivey

Jenkins

Overbay

Helms

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Sheets

 

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[clancyphile]

How nice is it to be a Brewer fan these days? We can talk about our number 5 hitter as a possible 30/30 guy.

Which #5 hitter? Hall or Hart (Bill swiped 18 in `05, and has a bit of speed himself)?

Hall, Weeks, Braun, and Hart are all 30-30 threats, IMO.

 

[brewtank34]

I can actually see 30 sb's more so than the 30 HR's. I have a feeling that Yost is just Jonesing to steal bases this year....we'll see what happens.

It could happen though, I'd say its about a 30% chance for a 30/30 year.http://forum.brewerfan.net/images/smilies/wink.gif

 

 

[trwi7]

Hall, Weeks, Braun, and Hart are all 30-30 threats, IMO.

 

I don't see Hall ever stealing 30 bases and I don't want him to either since he's not very efficient. Cameron has a better chance at 30/30 than Hall imo.

[TooLiveBrew]

Hall, Weeks, Braun, and Hart are all 30-30 threats, IMO.

 

Hall isn't - he doesn't steal bases efficiently enough to not kill you running into outs trying to get to 30 SBs.

 

 

EDIT: Whoops, trwi beat me to it...

[DrWood]

Which #5 hitter? Hall or Hart (Bill swiped 18 in `05, and has a bit of speed himself)?

Hall, Weeks, Braun, and Hart are all 30-30 threats, IMO.

 

 

hall has successfully stolen 60% of the time, both in majors and minors. He shouldn't have more than 7, imo.

Braun has been successful about 75% of the time. I hope he doesn't have more than 25 steals, imo.

Weeks has been very efficient. He should steal as often as he can while keeping his rate above 85%.

Hart was 76.7% successful last season. He might be able to improve that, but 30 steals should only happen if he's batting at the top of the order a fair bit.

 

Pitching, Defense, and the 3-run HR win baseball games--Earl Weaver.