2008 Vent Thread (part 1)

[brewers19]

I dunno, Mota and Torres have been pretty good thus far.

[Ennder]

I am starting to think that Melvin is like that dumb guy in your fantasy baseball league that you can trade anything for if you dangle some has-been in front of them. This Gagne experiment has been horrible, and I really can't imagine it somehow rectifying itself.

Maybe we need a separate GM for bullpen moves.

 

I think this is a very short sighted view of things, there is no way you put either of the last 2 BS on Gagne. He should have never been in the one game and a bad umpire and error caused the second one.

[BrewCrewForever]

People will continue to bash Gagne and Im just going to accept that. Even though I'm still on his bandwagon. Sure he hit Izturis and gave up a hit but he then struck out Ankiel and got Pujols to hit into a picture perfect DP that didn't get completed.

[twobrewers]

Ok, so I watched the game last night and today. Today we had one error.

 

By my count...

1. Gross missed a diving catch that probably should have been made

2. Braun missed a sliding catch that definitely should have been made

3. Weeks let one slide right under his glove on a ball up the middle

4. Weeks booted a chopper, let it roll up his arm and threw wide to first base

5. Weeks blew the game by failing to turn a very basic double play. (Edit: Fielder didn't dig out the bad throw)

 

Last night...

1. Hart dropped a routine fly ball that cost us the game

2. Hart failed to make what would have been a great play on a double high off the wall

3. And I bet I am missing a few from last night.

 

Our defense looks bad.

[jason21nl]

i agree, just because we don't have many errors, doesn't mean the D isn't bad.

[Ennder]

The defense was good until yesterday, we were something like +9 using plus/minus. I wouldn't judge the team by just a couple rough games though it is obviously a concern since we were so bad last year.

[nate82]

Ok, so I watched the game last night and today. Today we had one error.

 

By my count...

1. Gross missed a diving catch that probably should have been made

2. Braun missed a sliding catch that definitely should have been made

3. Weeks let one slide right under his glove on a ball up the middle

4. Weeks booted a chopper, let it roll up his arm and threw wide to first base

5. Weeks blew the game by failing to turn a very basic double play. (Edit: Fielder didn't dig out the bad throw)

 

Last night...

1. Hart dropped a routine fly ball that cost us the game

2. Hart failed to make what would have been a great play on a double high off the wall

3. And I bet I am missing a few from last night.

 

Our defense looks bad.

The defense wasn't the problem last night or today. The walks is what was the problem the last two games. I believe it was about 20 walks in the last 2 games. Thats 10 walks a game that is a lot of walks and a lot of run potential. You give any team in the MLB 10 walks a game and they will score a ton of runs.

 

[sheethead]

Riske is looking bad, real bad.

[fondybrewfan]

Apparently it is illegal to be ahead in the count

 

Bill Hall 0-6.

[bigredrobbo]

Riske is looking bad, real bad.

 

Would that be the same Riske that, according to most on this board, would have been the ab-so-lute guaranteed saviour had Ned allowed him to pitch last night instead of TBow?

[clancyphile]

And gee, looks like some of the slump may be shaking off... nine runs, some clutch hits, and the Brewers get the W.

[TooLiveBrew]

Would that be the same Riske that, according to most on this board, would have been the ab-so-lute guaranteed saviour had Ned allowed him to pitch last night instead of TBow?

 

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No, that'd be the Riske that some recognized was the superior choice to TBow. I'm lost without my hindsight goggles!

[Fatter than Joey]

The defense was good until yesterday, we were something like +9 using plus/minus.

 

The defense has been bad all year.

 

3. And I bet I am missing a few from last night.

 

That "double" that went under Hardy's glove.

 

Would that be the same Riske that, according to most on this board, would have been the ab-so-lute guaranteed savior had Ned allowed him to pitch last night instead of TBow?

 

Yep. I would have much rather seen Riske last night and Turnbow today when the score was 8-3.

[jason21nl]

once again, i could care less what stats stay for the D. It has been bad, and has been covered up by a bunch of "can't assume the double play"

[Weirdos19]

Looks like Mota and Torres are the most dependable bullpen arms. Wow, who woulda thought that?

 

No reason to jump off any bridges yet. 2 games behind the Cubs yet the Cubs have had only 6 road games and 5 games against .500 teams. Their schedule will get tougher.

[brewman04]

Could we see Mota down the road taking over as closer>

[BrewCrewRising]

I am starting to think that Melvin is like that dumb guy in your fantasy baseball league that you can trade anything for if you dangle some has-been in front of them. This Gagne experiment has been horrible, and I really can't imagine it somehow rectifying itself. Maybe we need a separate GM for bullpen moves.

I think this is a very short sighted view of things, there is no way you put either of the last 2 BS on Gagne. He should have never been in the one game and a bad umpire and error caused the second one.

Is this not the vent thread? Is this not the forum to expel your visceral reactions to things you don't like and cast them away? I mean if I had said that in a "Objective View of the Bullpen" thread, you're right on. But having said that, I'm still not overly confident in Gagne and most of our bullpen.

 

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