Out of options

[BaseballGod]

I know the brewers have some guys out of options next spring. Is there a chance a guy like sarfate makes the 25 man out of spring or maybe a AAA veteran like krynzel or hendrickson. Did Sarfate do well enough in September to get a serious chance or would a guy with his arm be tradable?

[And That]

Sarfate will be a member of the 2007 Brewers team, unless he gets injured or absolutely falls apart in camp. At worst, he'll be the de la Rosa of 2007. I've always said I love his arm out of the pen. With a few good years there, maybe he even breaks into the rotation eventually, ala Jon Papelbon.

 

I think Krynzel gets outrighted or traded sometime this offseason. He's stuck between so many OF guys right now, even his defense won't get him through. Even if he sticks around until spring training, he'd need a monster camp to make the squad. At the very least, Nix, Gwynn and Anderson are all ahead of him for the 5th OF spot.

 

Hendrickson is somewhere in between. I don't think the Brewers want to give up on him, but he needs to show something. He may be dropped or dealt if the Brewers have a better use for the 40-man spot, but I think he's given a legit shot it camp. I hope he makes the most of it.

 

Edit: I type good.

[dadofandrew]

Sarfate pitched well in AAA and in the bigs, he'll get every chance.

 

I can't believe either of the other two are with the team next April, and likely not in Maryvale. They'll be thrown into other trades, ala Gabe Gross was in our case in the TOR deal.

[JoeHova]

I'm not trying to be insulting, but why would a team even want Krynzel as a throw in in a trade? I could see a team being interested in Hendrickson as camp fodder, but Krynzel? Aren't there dozens of guys like him around? Maybe someone will be interested because he was a first round pick.

[mothershipconnection]

I could see a team being interested in Hendrickson as camp fodder, but Krynzel? Aren't there dozens of guys like him around? Maybe someone will be interested because he was a first round pick.

I agree, and think it's a very long shot unless the two sides are very close and they simply want one more player and take him so they can feel like they got more value.

[brettac1]

There could be a team that has a scout that watched Krynzel in H.S. and some in the minors and thinks he can still be a big leaguer. The Brewers probably never would have gone after Gross in that trade if Ash wasn't there, for instance.

[amccabe32]

Here's my question, and hopefully somebody can clarify this for me. What does Tony Gwynn Jr have going for him (besides his name) that make some want to give him the CF job next year, that Dave Krynzel is lacking? Their minor league numbers look pretty comparable at each level. In fact, it looks like Krynzel was the better player at each level up until Gwynn's break out AAA season. Gwynn seems to have better discipline (much better BB/K ratio), but Krynzel has the ability to drive the ball a little bit which Gwynn lacks. And I can't imagine Krynzel is that far behind defensively. Is it the fact that Krynzel's numbers declined every time he advanced a level? Or do the Brewers just not know what they have in Gwynn yet, so they are keeping him around until they find out? What am I missing here?

[backup catchers]

Not to be a Krynzel apologist or anything but look at this comparison.

 

Bill Hall AAA numbers

BA OBP SLG OPS

252 299 347 646

 

vs Krynzel

BA OBP SLG OPS

252 322 397 719

 

Bill is a great athlete but Krynzel is the superior defender at the same development time line.

Not every one does what Billy did but it obviosly isn't impossible either. I would rather see Krynzel as the 5th of with Gwynn in AAA. Not because Krynzel is better but because Gwynn isn't quite ready, IMO, and there is no reason to push him at this point. Not to mention the upside of Krynzel if he does pull a Hall.

[whizkid]

Dave K. has spent his years of 22-24 at AAA and gone from a .748 to a .740 to a .673 OPS. He's regressed.

 

Bill Hall spent his years of 22-23 at AAA, not the same development timeline, and had OPS of .573 and .742. He played middle infield vs. CF. He was rushed and probably shouldn't have been called up(primarily due to OBP) but the Brewer teams of 2003/2004 weren't as good as those of 2005/2006.

 

Tony Gwynn in his year of 23 put up a .756 OPS. Hopefully not good enough to beat out the competition and deserve a spot in the 2007 OF. Hopefully he'll have a change to repeat AAA and we'll see what he does.

 

Hall did come out of nowhere after coming to MLB, but that's rare and Dave K's trends haven't shown any reason to believe he'll improve similarly.

[dadofandrew]

Well, Dave Krynzel could be a 5th OF right now, and he is probably a plus defender and has plus speed.

 

To be an eternal optimist, he's "only" learning how to hit away from being a very good player.

 

Of course, so are a lot of guys.

[reillymcshane]

The sad part about Krynzel is that if he could really contribute if he just learned to hit a lick. He can drive the ball, and if he could only hit .260 or so, he could be a servicable player. His defense would be awesome.

 

DOn't know if you'd want him leading off, but he could certainly contribute.

[backup catchers]

Dave K. has spent his years of 22-24 at AAA and gone from a .748 to a .740 to a .673 OPS. He's regressed..

 

You need to take into account he is coming off injury. Self inflicted or no it still makes a differance.

 

Bill Hall spent his years of 22-23 at AAA, not the same development timeline,

Dave K. has spent his years of 22-24 at AAA

 

I'm not sure how that isn't the same timeline.

 

 

He played middle infield vs. CF.

 

Hall was not good at all he just couldn't play without trowing the ball away or botching the easy plays. Center isn't leftfield and Krynzel is and always has been very good.

 

 

He was rushed and probably shouldn't have been called up(primarily due to OBP) but the Brewer teams of 2003/2004 weren't as good as those of 2005/2006.

 

The reason Hall was called up was because he was out of options and like, JDLR and Krynzel, had to much potential to just let another team take for free. There is no reason a 500ish type team couldn't use a plus defender with potential as the fifth outfielder. Not unless there is someone in the same boat as he is who is better. Gwynn may be better but he really isn't good enough yet IMO and has options left.

[bork]

The reason Hall was called up was because he was out of options

 

That part actually isn't true, he still has an option left. Hall was certainly called up before he was ready.

[DHonks]

also, Krynzel is playing in the PCL, Hall was in the International League.

 

If David could limit his annual 0-30 slide, he'd finish with much better numbers. It seems that each year, at every level, he gets off to a hot start and people think "man, he's turning the corner." Then he cools off, then gets hot. Sometime after that hot streak, he goes on one of those 0-30 skids that feature 15-20 K's, and he never rebounds.

[thumperden]

That would be a symptom of being very slow to making adjustments.

[DuWayne Steurer]

Comparing Hall to Krynzel just isn't fair.

 

Hall came out of absolutely nowhere. There's thousands of guys who have mediocre minor league numbers, and then flop. There's a few who have mediocre numbers in the minors, and then come up and do what Hall did. It's not an apt comparison because it's pretty rare that a guy who hit as poorly as Hall did at AAA comes up and becomes one of the best offensive performers in the league at his position.

 

Not to say that Krynzel "can't", but using Hall as the example just doesn't work.

[DHonks]

Hall came out of absolutely nowhere

 

I beg to differ. His sustained success came out of nowhere, but he is formerly a Brewers farmhand of the year. I was at the game where he hit his first homer, and I remember thinking, "man, he has an explosive bat". We all figured he had pop in his bat. Most just never figured he'd find the ball enough to have success. And of course, there was that whole defense thing

[backup catchers]

Not to say that Krynzel "can't", but using Hall as the example just doesn't work.

 

How does using a guy with virtually the same numbers at about the same age not work? I'm not saying Krynzel is going to be the next Hall by any means. All I'm saying is we shouldn't just say he is not worth anything and should be given up on without even a chance to compete for the fifth outfield spot. Even if he doesn't hit very well he has speed and is a very good defender. Couple the fact that he can help the team in other areas, the basic tools he has to work with and the possiblilty that he could, as Hall did, improve offensively why not see what he can do? Mush like Hall's inconsitant defense and poor strike zone judgment improved so can Krynzel's inconsistancy and slow adjustment time. Will it happen? No one knows. Would it hurt to find out? Not really from the fifth outfield spot.

[UndraftedFA]

Sometimes I wonder if it would be better off just throwing Krynzel in the big league fire and see if ha can amount to anything. It doesn't seem like AAA does him anygood anymore. There probably isn't much room for him with the Brewers anymore, but I'd like to see some team let him sink or swim. He was always one of the most intriuging prospects to me.

[And That]

Dave's 40-man future this offseason may just depend on who else the Brewers bring in. I don't believe the Brewers would remove him just to remove him - it'll depend on whether they really need the 40-man slot or not. There's no reason to remove him until they have to, and if he sticks around until ST, great. I'd like to see him beat out Gwynn and Nix, etc. for the 5th OF position.

[foamboy1]

If I recall correctly, Hall was the Brewer minor league player of the year two years in a row.

[lithium75]

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If I recall correctly, Hall was the Brewer minor league player of the year two years in a row.

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Bill Hall's rankings in the bBrewer's farm system:

 

2000-21

2001-2

2002-18

 

And those were in some pretty bad years for prospects. Hall really had only one decent part of a year, when he hit .303/.348/.529 when he spent most of the 2001 season in hitter's paridise High Desert. He did ok in 2003 at AAA, and then stuck in Milwaukee.

 

As far as his prospect status, he was a relative unknown that exploded into our consciousness with his year in High Desert. He then proceeded to disappoint year after year, and pretty much everyone here had assumed he would never be more than a utility player.

 

Then he had a decent 2005 year in Milwaukee. Some of us still doubted him because his prospect status fell so quickly. He DID only have the one good year, and his numbers WERE inflated by a high altitude band box.

 

One degenerate troglodite idiot even had the nerve to suggest that we trade Hall in the off season between the 2005 and 2006 seasons for Hank Blaylock. That same sophmoric chump of a arm chair GM had him being shipped to Boston for Clement or Papelbon, (well, at least I would have gotten a decent player in return on that one).

 

Point is that Billy Hall has established himself as a star now, and I have faith in him. I don't know why. I didn't see this coming. With Krynzel, it would take an even bigger leap. Could it happen? Maybe, but lightning doesn't often strike twice. Hall at least looked the part of a utility player. Krynzel doesn't look as though he could ever hit enough to do even that. Maybe with a change of scenery, but not with us. He's only a slightly improved Chad Green.

 

edit: Oh yeah, and I believe I was also an advocate of trading him to Atlanta for Saltamaccia. Sometimes I am just plain dumb.