shorter games at miller park and reduced revenue?

[Kurt]

Come on, Big Reed. You can't compare Milwaukee's tailgating with a lot of other teams. The reason there is hardly any tailgating in many cities like NYC and Boston is because they don't have a gigantic parking lot that holds 13.000 cars. You know what they do, they eat and drink in the many bars and restaurants that are a few blocks from the stadium before the game. It's something that isn't really available in Milwaukee.

 

And comparing the expenses of seeing your local MLB team to that of going on a weeks vacation to Disney Land or going to an expensive steak house does not really hold up either.

 

Tailgating is more about tradition and bonding with friends and family than saving a few bucks.

[djoctagone]

let's not forget that concessions are not the only source of revenue for the team and their media networks. there are increased advertising opportunities within the ballpark and on broadcasts every time a pitching change is made.

 

because the brewers starting line-up is to be dominated by right handers, i'm concluding that fewer pitching changes will be made by the opposition and therefore games will be shorter and have fewer advertising breaks.

[Invader3K]

If you're hungry before or after a game, eat at a nearby Milwaukee restaurant

What nearby Milwaukee restaurants? There aren't really any that are that "convenient" if you don't live in the immediate area.

 

[Kurt]

let's not forget that concessions are not the only source of revenue for the team and their media networks. there are increased advertising opportunities within the ballpark and on broadcasts every time a pitching change is made.

 

because the brewers starting line-up is to be dominated by right handers, i'm concluding that fewer pitching changes will be made by the opposition and therefore games will be shorter and have fewer advertising breaks.

I'm predicting these loses to be in the neighborhood of 500 dollars for the entire season.

 

I think you are missing the simple logic. It's kind of like those chain mails you get every year that say "Do not buy gas on August 1st. It will cost the oil company's billions." Sounds like a good idea but in truth the oil company's are not losing a single penny because you are just buying gas on a different day while using the same amount of gas you normally would. So in the Brewers case, 99% of people are still going to buy that hot dog and beer regardless if there is a pitching change or not. And the Brewers are not losing any money on advertising during pitching changes because they are not sold that way.

 

[djoctagone]

i don't like to miss game action, so i usually vacate my seat in between half-innings or during a pitching change. if i'm going to purchase something on the concourse, it's during that time.

[Kurt]

i don't like to miss game action, so i usually vacate my seat in between half-innings or during a pitching change. if i'm going to purchase something on the concourse, it's during that time.

So you will have 16 or 17 chances to do so in a game compared to 18 or 19 if there are a few pitching changes. I just don't think it adds up. Using that logic, the Brewers are losing money winning games at home because of a lack of bottom of the 9ths.

 

 

 

[logan82]

Big Reed wrote:

I also think those people who complain spending $50 for food for the family of 4 at a ball game need to reassess their financial spending habits. maybe a trip to DISNEY or Chuckie Cheese should be in order to help you re-examine how inexpensive baseball park food really is. That $1600 advertised Disney vacation is about 1/3rd of the actual cost you end up paying. When was the last time a parent walked out of Chuckie Cheese without paying $100 for tokens and their pizza? Let's not even bring up going to Great America 6 Flags. Way tooooooo expensive for the brewers' fan. baseball food at miller park is cheap! You don't know how good you really have it. it makes me wonder how many of you have eaten at Morton of Chicago or Ruth's Steak house lately, or drive a deisel powered car.

Well, I don't do any of those things either. I bring in my own food and drink. When you are buying more than one ticket and food on top of that, things start to get expensive. Buying food and tickets for only yourself is completely different. To me the choice comes down to buying a brat and beer during the game or going to another game and that makes the choice pretty easy or are you telling me that if I can't afford to or chose not to buy food I should just stay home.

[brewers19]

sometimes, you guys just come across as being rather ... cheap.

 

It's unfortunate that you view fiscal responsibility to be so distasteful.

 

I fail to see anything wrong with someone not wanting to spend $5.50 on a hot dog that's been sitting in a steam tray for the last hour when they could grill something much better themselves for a fraction of the price. That's hardly something to be ashamed of.

[pitchleague]

kurt,

 

why should I not buy gas on August 1st? Or were you just throwing some random date out there? What am I missing? Since it's from a chain letter/email, I'm guessing I'm missing nothing but maybe I am not understanding something.

 

Sorry, this is WAY off topic.

[Kurt]

It was just a random date, Everyone is still driving the same amount, so not buying gas on a certain date does not hurt the oil company's. I was comparing that to the fact that if someone wants a hotdog or beer during the game, they are still going to buy it regardless of the amount of pitching changes in a game.

[Gopher74]

agreed. and therefore, a loss in revenue from reduced in-game purchases is to be expected now that he's gone.

Are these posts suppose to be serious or what?

 

[ewizabeff]

I'm pretty sure that all the merchandise you buy in the fan zone goes to MLB, not the Brewers. And I'll defend tailgating until the day I die. If we didn't allow tailgating, you'd probably have a lot less fans at the game. Plenty of people that aren't baseball fans will go to a game if they know they get to tailgate beforehand. Plus, it's fun. I'm a fan of fun.

[danzig6767]

I'm pretty confident that the number of fans that tailgating draws to the park far exceeds any revenue lost by some fans not spending as much inside the park. Besides myself, i know numerous people who attend games as much or more for the fun of tailgating in a group before games.

[Kurt]

Found a pretty intresting article in a old sports illustrated as where the money goes from the sale of a beer at a major leauge ball park.

 

Granted this is from 20 years ago and the policy and % may have changed but I was surprised by how little the team and brewery acually gets from that overpriced beer.

 

 

Who gets what after a fan pays $2.50 for a cup of Hudepohl at Riverfront Stadium

 

20 oz. cup of Hudepohl Beer $2.50

 

Cincinnati Sports Service* $1.38

 

Reds 54¢

 

City of Cincinnati 24¢

 

Taxes 14¢

 

Distributor 10¢

 

Brewery's profit 5¢

 

COST OF MAKING BEER 5¢

 

*includes labor, maintenance, insurance, cost of equipment, etc.

[Gopher74]

Found a pretty intresting article in a old sports illustrated as where the money goes from the sale of a beer at a major leauge ball park.

 

Granted this is from 20 years ago and the policy and % may have changed but I was surprised by how little the team and brewery acually gets from that overpriced beer.

 

 

Who gets what after a fan pays $2.50 for a cup of Hudepohl at Riverfront Stadium

 

20 oz. cup of Hudepohl Beer $2.50

 

Cincinnati Sports Service* $1.38

 

Reds 54¢

 

City of Cincinnati 24¢

 

Taxes 14¢

 

Distributor 10¢

 

Brewery's profit 5¢

 

COST OF MAKING BEER 5¢

 

*includes labor, maintenance, insurance, cost of equipment, etc.

No, but the home team has an agreement with a particular vendor to exclusively sell their products in their park. I would guess that the Brewers don't make a penny off of Hot Dog sales right now, they sell the RIGHT for a company to sell them.

 

And as such, I don't think it's going to stop us from signing Prince Fielder.

[RightFieldCoder]

I know the history of Milwaukee and tailgating. it's a tradition. but basically, it's a football tradition- not a baseball one.

Well, we're the largest city to not have an NFL team to cheer for or a Division 1 team to cheer for. So we can't use our great tailgating talents for football so we carry it over to baseball.

I also think those people who complain spending $50 for food for the family of 4 at a ball game need to reassess their financial spending habits. maybe a trip to DISNEY or Chuckie Cheese should be in order to help you re-examine how inexpensive baseball park food really is.

I simply don't go to Disney or Chuckie Cheese. If the Brewers start closing in on those prices I will have to follow the same with the ballpark

sometimes, you guys just come across as being rather ... cheap.

Being cheap is how someone making $30k can be a season ticket holder and a homeowner. I'm like Clark Howard, I enjoy being called cheap.

[Invader3K]

I don't know what world Big Reed lives in, but for most people, going to a Brewers game is a rare extravagance to begin with for many people, assuming a regular family with kids. So, every dollar counts, when you already have a couple cards, a mortgage, kids in school, etc.

 

Personally, my wife and I don't have kids, and we're doing fine financially...not rich, but not "scraping by", either. We live in Jefferson County, so the price of gas is already a factor in the cost of going to a game. It doesn't make sense for us to blow a ton of money on concessions inside, when it's more fun to tailgate out before the game, and cheaper, too. I don't see how anyone can possibly see anything wrong with that.

[TheCrew07]

This thread has been good comedy.

 

If tailgaters are the worst thing for Brewer revenue, then I must be antichrist cause there's nothing better than tailgating before and after a Sunday afternoon game.

[djoctagone]

however, the shorter the game, the less toilet and urinal usage (i.e flushing) at miller park.

[sgtcluels]

mmm... tailgating. I can name 4 friends who are now die-hard baseball fans (And season ticket holders now) who didn't go to any baseball games until we introduced them into tailgating and then into baseball. I think it's a wash. Anyone have reveune for a non-tailgating park vs. our beloved crew?

 

And I still buy a polish sausage and plenty of beer on the inside. And the world best nachos.