shorter games at miller park and reduced revenue?

[djoctagone]

given that the brewers' starting line-up in 2008 will likely be dominated by right handed hitters, is it conceivable that fewer pitching changes will be made by the opposition?

 

obviously, this will shorten the length of games . . . which means reduced concession opportunities and reduced advertising revenue.

[homer]

I'm guessing there will be little to no difference in game length. And the difference, if any, will be on the order of single digit minutes which won't amount to a drop in the bucket.

[logan82]

Taking Vargas out of the rotation should cut down on gametimes considerably.

[ILuvDaBush]

I second Logan's sentiments. Also, considering we will have a catcher who actually TALKS to the pitcher, I would imagine that we won't see nearly as many shakeoffs by the staff.

[rluzinski]

How long does a pitching change take? 5 minutes?

[ILuvDaBush]

Well when you have Ben Sheets going down with a freak injury, and no one up in the bullpen....about five minutes. Otherwise, 2...max.

[logan82]

I would guess the biggest influence on the time of games would be the number of runners a pitcher allows. Suppan in particular got very slow and very deliberate when he had runners. Sheets pitches a quick game, but I think a lot of that is the fact that he doesn't allow to many runners.

[The Game Master]

Really,

 

1) How much Time it takes to play a game is depended on how pitchers pitch and hitters hit and it all come down to what one does better for there will be games where pitcher will do better and there will be games lead by hitters.

 

2) regardless if it is a how long the game is it has no impack on concession at all. If a fan is hungry they are going to buy something to eat unless it is the end of the game and they may wait to eat elsewhere and that is a sale they would have anyway.

[sgtcluels]

They can make up revenue by recanting the no beer after 7inning rule. http://forum.brewerfan.net/images/smilies/smile.gif

[rluzinski]

Well when you have Ben Sheets going down with a freak injury, and no one up in the bullpen....about five minutes. Otherwise, 2...max.

 

 

 

They always take a commercial break and come back to the reliever still warming up, so I don't think it's only 2 minutes. From the announcement of the pitchng change to the first pitch, it's easily a 5 minute delay.

[ILuvDaBush]

I have an idea. What if they opened up beer concessions again if the game goes to extras. On a few occassions, I was especially in need... (The Philly debacle where Wise/Coco-RIP made the key ninth inning contribution to a bad game.)

[twobrewers]

They can make up revenue by recanting the no beer after 7inning rule.

Off topic here. But why do they stop selling after the 7th inning?

 

I understand how alcohol is processed through the body enough to know that you aren't going to "sober up" during the 8th and 9th inning enough to drive home. Not to mention, every beer vendor I have ever seen has gone out of their way to point out final call.

 

I remember one actually selling a friend of mine two when she informed him it was going to be last call. She then said, "You know, you could have your friend (meaning me) purchase two as well..." (I wasn't drinking) So basically my friend bought four beers to last him the rest of the game.

[sgtcluels]

I know they have the 2 drink max per id thing because some kid in San Francisco died because his buddy was buying a ton of beers for him and his buddies. (Why the ushers didn't card em is beyond me). I'm sure the idea is to "sober up" but come on, if you are drunk by the 8th inning, you are no way going to be sober once the game ends. And this is Wisconsin, there's post game tailgating anyways!

 

 

 

The Bradley center serves drinks again if the game goes into OT. And I could have def. used a beer with some of those marathon 14 inners.

[temke]

not sure why, but it is a league rule

 

in terms of concession revenues, the stands sell much less later in the game. having worked a stand a few times the past years, we generally only had a couple registers open past the 5th inning...once the pregame and early game rush was over.

[logan82]

not sure why, but it is a league rule

 

in terms of concession revenues, the stands sell much less later in the game. having worked a stand a few times the past years, we generally only had a couple registers open past the 5th inning...once the pregame and early game rush was over.

That's good stuff to know. If I want concessions, wait until the 5th or 6th inning and I won't have to wait in line.

[homer]

" I understand how alcohol is processed through the body enough to know that you aren't going to "sober up" during the 8th and 9th inning enough to drive home. Not to mention, every beer vendor I have ever seen has gone out of their way to point out final call. "

 

I think it's because they don't want people who aren't drunk to get drunk in the 8th or 9th and then drive home. Probably cuts down on some of the alcohol related problems as the game lets out too.

[TooLiveBrew]

My guess is that the 7th inning 'rule' is more of a liability thing than anything else.

[bucks2281]

Alcohol sales are cut off after the 3rd quarter at NBA and NFL games, too. I recall that the company that does the concessions at Giants Stadium was sued after someone was killed by a drunk driver coming from a Giants game. I think the rule is to prevent situations such as those from happening.

[djoctagone]

Taking Vargas out of the rotation should cut down on gametimes considerably.

agreed. and therefore, a loss in revenue from reduced in-game purchases is to be expected now that he's gone.

[Invader3K]

Eh...I don't usually feel the need to spend another 6 or 7 bucks on a watery beer after the 7th inning anyways.

[Kurt]

man, we really need the season to start.

[Big Reed]

I have a great way to improve concession sales - ban tailgating and build a parking garage and be like every other major league basball teams. You'd be amazed at how much more concession sales are at other major league ball parks where they have incorporated this concept. get some milwaukee gangs to walk around in the parking lot beating up on people and cars, it works wonders getting people into the Bradley Center and keeping them inside the arena instead of needless time eating ones' own cooking by their car. If you're hungry before or after a game, eat at a nearby Milwaukee restaurant and help out the local economy rather than cooking your own brats. Neither reds fans or Cards fans tailgate and their teams have more mone y t o spend on player salaries as a result. St louis is the #1 seller of dip- n-dots! . It' s time to open the wallet and stop being so cheap Brewers fans. it's also time to stop buying your brewers t-shirts at walmart and Shopko. buy them from the brewers instead. Visit the Brewers' stadium store. Purchase that $95 official MLB baseball jersey - buy two while you're at it. Buy a miniature bat to fend off the Milwaukee gangs. Spend some mone y o n some health and car insurance too. it will be money well spent.

[MJLiverock]

Classic! Love the post Big Reed. Roving Gangs or wild packs of dogs what ambiance.

 

 

Seriously though I know the vendors can be expensive, especially if you go to a lot of game with kids and such, but I have been amazed at what people are allowed to bring in. I sat next to a husband and wife last year who whipped out 4 or 5 tupperware containers with pasta salads, subs from Subway, desserts, their own bottled soda, etc. It was like they brought in a whole tailgate. Of course with all that out it was a major production to get by them since they were on the last two seats in the row.

[PKBadger]

If you're hungry before or after a game, eat at a nearby Milwaukee restaurant and help out the local economy rather than cooking your own brats.

 

But when I buy brats, I'm supporting Klement's, Usinger's, and my local grocery store!

 

I just blew your mind, BR....admit it. http://forum.brewerfan.net/images/smilies/smile.gif

[Big Reed]

I know the history of Milwaukee and tailgating. it's a tradition. but basically, it's a football tradition- not a baseball one. Baseball is supposed to be about going to the game, sitting in the open air in the domed stadium, and buying a bag of cracker jacks, cotton candy dip-n-dots the $6 souvener plastic cup of flat coke, and a hot dog and a pretzel and maybe the walking taco. it's not supposed to be about guys bringing their weber kettles and ribs and steaks and A1 sauce to the games. it was one of Selig's visions when building miller park to allow the tradition of tailgating in the parking lots continue. In my lifetime, I've been to about 15 other baseball parks in cities like Atlanta, LA, SD, SF, Houston, Chicago, St PEte, NYC, Boston, ST LOUIS, CINCY to name a few. None of these places comes close to the amount of tailgating that is allowed at Milwaukee. The closest thing to a Brewers' tailgating I've seen is at the Outback Bowl and that's usually badgers football fans doing the tailgating.

 

brewers' fans seem to believe tailgaiting is a right and custom of attending baseball games. And Selig didn't want to take away that right. he had a choice, and he made it. So I don't really want to hear any complaints coming from the brewers' front office or the associated venders about the lack of consession sales at the Ball park. Other parks have tons of food sales. they also limit what people are allowed to bring into the stadium and actually look through your giant nap sacks

 

I also think those people who complain spending $50 for food for the family of 4 at a ball game need to reassess their financial spending habits. maybe a trip to DISNEY or Chuckie Cheese should be in order to help you re-examine how inexpensive baseball park food really is. That $1600 advertised Disney vacation is about 1/3rd of the actual cost you end up paying. When was the last time a parent walked out of Chuckie Cheese without paying $100 for tokens and their pizza? Let's not even bring up going to Great America 6 Flags. Way tooooooo expensive for the brewers' fan. baseball food at miller park is cheap! You don't know how good you really have it. it makes me wonder how many of you have eaten at Morton of Chicago or Ruth's Steak house lately, or drive a deisel powered car.

 

sometimes, you guys just come across as being rather ... cheap.