Rule 5 Eligibles - Latest: Your List of Brewers for 2006

[paul253]

Couldn't you see the yankees giving up like 15 picks for the first one though???

 

yes i could, but if the Yankees offered me their 1st through 10th round picks for Carlos Lee, i think i'd do it.

[Mass Haas]

The major league portion of the Rule 5 draft will be affected by giving teams one extra year to protect players from it.

 

Rather than teams being allowed three years (for players signed at age 19 or older) or four years (for players 18 and younger) before leaving them off the 40-man roster subjects them to the Rule 5 draft, those periods have been lengthened to four and five. Ownership considered this a significant boost in their efforts to operate their minor league systems more effectively.

 

You'll notice that several MLB organizations added players to their 40-man rosters November 20th, the final day they could do so to protect players from the Rule 5 draft.

 

The rule change listed above allowed the Brewers to decide that they didn't have to add a single player to their 40-man roster from the system this offseason.

 

So it was "no" on fringe decisions like Lou Palmisano and Tim Dillard.

 

As we have in years' past, we hope to have the complete list prior to the winter meetings for you on who's officially protected where in the organization in terms of each phase of the Rule 5 draft.

[brewcru1]

Tim Dillard isn't eligible. He was drafted in 2002 and signed as a DnF in 2003. When he was drafted he was 18, meaning he gets 5 years now before he is eligible.

 

2003, 2004, 2005, 2006 = 4 years

 

Under the old CBA, he would have been eligible this year.

[dadofandrew]

Dillard would have been a no-brainer, I would think.

[brettac1]

The reason that Dillard won't be a no-brainer is that he's projected as a reliever.

[Mass Haas]

Thanks, brewcru1 -- we debate Dillard's eligibility every year, regardless of the rules http://forum.brewerfan.net/images/smilies/wink.gif

 

By the way, my own pick for a 40-man roster spot would have been reliever Steve Bray, unless there's some obscure rule that says once you've been picked in the minor league phase of the Rule 5, you can't be selected in the major league portion...

[Mass Haas]

Homework for someone, please:

 

Find a list of Brewers who have been selected in the major league phase of the Rule 5 draft in say, the last twenty years. It's been a long while, I honestly don't know and can't spare the search time today, thanks...

[DHonks]

actually, are you sure about that brewcru1? He was drafted by us 3 times I thought, which would mean he was drafted at age 19 or 20 the time he was signed.

[Mass Haas]

First of all, great middle name...

 

Position: P Full Name: Timothy Weong Dillard

Born: July 19, 1983 Place: Sarasota,Florida

Height: 6-4 Weight: 200 Bats: B Throws: R

High School: Saltillo (Saltillo,MS)

College: Itawamba Community College

 

Transactions:

Drafted - Selected by Milwaukee Brewers in 15th Round (448th overall) of 2001 amateur entry draft (June-Reg) ... Selected by Milwaukee Brewers in 34th Round (1009th overall) of 2002 amateur entry draft (June-Reg) May 27,2003 - signed

 

So when Dillard was drafted in 2002, he was 18 years old, soon to be 19. He was only 17 when drafted the first time.

 

Brewcru and his magic 8-ball are correct yet again -- still at 100%, although we don't hear from him as often as we'd like.

 

Continue to keep us on our toes, thanks!

[dadofandrew]

I wonder what Brewcru would say about Dave Roberts?

 

And by "no-brainer", I meant Tim would easily be better than the 38th or 39th player on the current 40 man. I agree, he doesn't project much higher than Sarfate, valuable yes, but not a tearjerker if he were lost.

[mls4]

"Find a list of Brewers who have been selected in the major league phase of the Rule 5 draft in say, the last twenty years."

 

Couldn't find an actual list, so I apologize for the incompleteness of my research. I'll keep looking for a complete list. Here's what I found searching the transaction file from retrosheet.org:

 

Ramon Garcia 1996 by the Astros.

Bobby M Jones 1994 by the Rockies.

Tim Fortugno 1991 by the Angels.

Dave Stapleton 1988 by the Astros.

Bob Gibson 1986 by the White Sox.

Jeff Parrett 1985 by the Expos.

Willie Lozado 1984 by the Cardinals.

 

Footnote #1- this would not include any player who never played in the major leagues as they are not in the transaction database. Potentially, this could leave out a player that was drafted and then returned to the Brewers.

 

Footnote #2- I'm not sure this differentiates players taken in the minor league phase, so these could possibly be minor league selections.

 

Footnote #3- My search methods are not infallible, so I could have missed others.

[dadofandrew]

SEA took a utility IF from us in the 90's...Jeff Huson?

[mls4]

"SEA took a utility IF from us in the 90's...Jeff Huson?"

 

According to retrosheet, he left as a FA and signed with Colorado before the Mariners rule fived him.

[dadofandrew]

Heh, missed that middle step.

[MoneyballMan]

Anyone have a link that lists all minor league free agents? I was just wondering about someone like J.R. House. I believe Houston signed him after Pittsburgh gave up on him, and he rebounded very well this year. Just curious about whether or not he's a Rule 5 possibility or minor league free agent possibility. He actually had a heck of a year at AA and AAA.

[Mass Haas]

House signed a minor league deal with Baltimore earlier this month.

 

Midway through the linked thread below you'll see in bold the two main linked lists of minor league free agents, one from Baseball America and the other from MiLB.com:

 

p092.ezboard.com/fbrewers...3887.topic

[MoneyballMan]

minorleaguebaseball.com still shows House with Round Rock, which is in the Houston system.

 

If he already signed with Baltimore, that's a shame that the Crew didn't get in on him. Sure seems like after 2006 he has shown that he could still be a real prospect who's close to the bigs.

[Mass Haas]

Don't go by minorleaguebaseball.com -- they don't update rosters from the time the regular season ends until next April.

 

House signing link:

 

www.rotoworld.com/content...mp;id=3405

[thumperden]

I would guess that the Estrada trade slammed the door on any possibility of House coming to Milwaukee. I'm really beginning to like the depth at catcher in the organization. Can anyone remember a time in their history with more depth? I can't because it wasn't a conversation piece until now.

[MoneyballMan]

Franklyn German is another minor league free agent I think we should/could have targeted for a minor league deal and invite to spring training. But I see he signed with Texas for same. Still young enough (27 I believe) to help someone with a power arm.

[Mass Haas]

Taking a page out of Toby's book with a "tease", Brewerfan will post by this evening the Rule 5 rosters the Brewers submitted to MLB. The rosters will detail which Brewers are eligible to be plucked for both the major and minor league phases of Friday's Rule 5 draft.

[thumperden]

Looking forward to the release, Mass.

[Mass Haas]

The following Brewer farmhands are protected at the AAA level this year. That means if selected, it's for the $50,000 major league phase of the Rule 5 draft that most folks are familiar with:

 

Pitchers:

RHP Khalid Ballouli

RHP Steve Bray

RHP Chris Demaria

RHP Luther Hackman

RHP Jesse Harper

LHP Jeff Housman

LHP Jeremy Lewis

LHP Rafael Lluberes

RHP Mike Meyers

LHP Sam Narron

RHP Luis Pena

RHP Vince Perkins

RHP Gerrit Simpson

RHP Chris Spurling

LHP Mitch Stetter

RHP Corey Thurman

RHP Joe Valentine

RHP Matt Yeatman

RHP Alec Zumwalt

 

Catchers:

Carlos Corporan

Nestor Corredor

C.J. Medlin

Lou Palmisano

Kyle Phillips

 

Infielders:

Chris Barnwell

Ozzie Chavez

Callix Crabbe

Jeff Eure

Adam Heether

Brad Nelson

Guilder Rodriguez

 

Outfielders:

Kennard Bibbs

Ron Davenport

Steve Moss

 

Here are the players protected on the AA level (or below), available for $12,000, with no restrictions as to where they are placed within the new organization. The Brewers often gain and lose players in this phase. Just last season, among the minor league phase Rule 5 gains were RHP Steve Bray, perhaps the Brewer most at risk of being lost in the major league phase this time around. The Brewers lost promising young SS Agustin Septimo to an astute Marlins scouting department in this phase last year.

 

Pitchers:

RHP Josh Alliston

RHP David Bradley

RHP Bo Hall

RHP Brandon Harmsen

LHP Kyle Pawelczyk

RHP John Novinsky (protected at high-A, $4,000 fee)

 

Catcher / Infielder:

Craig Kuzmic

 

Infielder:

Mike Huggins

 

Outfielder:

Travis Ezi

 

This should be the year, a transition year in which every organization gained another season to evaluate many prospects before they become Rule 5 eligible, that the Rule 5 draft could be a big yawn. But with many clubs having open 40-man roster spots this year (again, due to changes in the CBA), you could see a veteran player like Corey Thurman or Joe Valentine selected. Remember, the Pirates selected Victor Santos from the Royals in 2005's draft.

 

Also, because of the added flexibility this year, more players who would have been available in the minor league phase are now able to be protected in the major league phase, meaning the caliber of players available at the minor league level is thinned even further.

 

Since relievers are often targeted in Rule 5 anyway, Steve Bray, as noted above, is likely most at risk of being lost among the Brewers yet to see big league action. He really should be on the Brewers' 40-man right now. It wouldn't be a shock to see former big leaguers Corey Thurman or Joe Valentine (both now impressing in winter ball), Chris Demaria, or Chris Spurling selected, particularly Thurman.

 

The Rule 5 Draft takes place Thursday morning this week -- I mentioned Friday earlier, but it's Thursday.

 

The Brewerfan Player Index is not being adjusted for Rule 5 placement in terms of level. For instance, youngster Rafael Lluberes will still be listed as a West Virginia Power, not a Nashville Sound, until next year's minor league rosters are finalized.

[reillymcshane]

Bray was the one guy I didn't want to lose.

 

Between 85 innings at AA and AAA, he struck out 75 and walked only 11. He had a 2.71 ERA at AA and a 1.27 ERA at AAA. He had a sub 1.00 WHIP.

 

I don't really know that much about him other than his stats, but those are very good numbers. I wish he had at least gotten a chance this spring training, but I imagine someone will nab him and give him a try.

 

I wouldn't be surprised if Zumwalt got a chance somewhere too. He got progressively better as the year went on.

[bork]

What about Barnwell? Is he elligible after being dropped from the 40 man?