Pat Burrell

[Big Reed]

But he has a great OBP. how can you not like him? Or are you trying to infer there are other things about a player that should be taken into consideration besides his great OBP stats? When I think of burell, I think of jenkins. it's as if they were twins in my eyes. the phillies fans and media are always complaining about burell not living up to his hype and their expectations of him. they say he is overpaid. he strikes out too much. it's interesting that he kos a lot but still maintains a high OBP. I guess he just looks at a lot of pitches like Thome does.

 

My bottom line is that i wouldn't mind signing burrell as a free agent, but i wouldn't want to trade for him. The phillies would want somebody at least as good as hall for him. And if it wasn't hall, they'd want one of our top 3 prospects for him. and once we did acquire him, he'd still never live up to the expectations of him.

[Gopher74]

Ryan Braun came up after two years in the minors(2 years and change), and would have been ready to break camp with the team if he didn't struggle so much defensively. Defensive struggles in LF are less likely to keep a player from advancing than struggles at 3rd.

 

That and he got hurt. Braun missed like 2 weeks of Spring Training games. The other aspect was that Koskie was out and 3b was being manned by Counsell. If Koskie had been good to go -- Braun probably would have not seen the MLB until July or August.

 

Of course I agree defense is going to be less of an issue in bringing up LaPorta -- but he is not on the same hitting track as Braun. I think the earliest we will see LaPorta is the end of 2009.

I don't why he's not on the same hitting track as of right now? I think the argument could be made that he's on a better hitting track. His OPS at the same level was nearly 100 points higher, and his last year in college LaPorta put up better numbers.

 

But, let's assume that he's not. So what? Nobody's expecting the kid to come in and be Ryan Braun. That's just not a realistic expectation for any rookie. Hell, that's not very realistic for any veteran.

 

And finally, in response to the Counsell comment, we very well could be in a situation next year where we don't have much better in LF.

[Gopher74]

Ryan Braun came up after two years in the minors(2 years and change), and would have been ready to break camp with the team if he didn't struggle so much defensively. Defensive struggles in LF are less likely to keep a player from advancing than struggles at 3rd.

 

That and he got hurt. Braun missed like 2 weeks of Spring Training games. The other aspect was that Koskie was out and 3b was being manned by Counsell. If Koskie had been good to go -- Braun probably would have not seen the MLB until July or August.

 

Of course I agree defense is going to be less of an issue in bringing up LaPorta -- but he is not on the same hitting track as Braun. I think the earliest we will see LaPorta is the end of 2009.

I don't why he's not on the same hitting track as of right now? I think the argument could be made that he's on a better hitting track. His OPS at the same level was nearly 100 points higher, and his last year in college LaPorta put up better numbers.

 

But, let's assume that he's not. So what? Nobody's expecting the kid to come in and be Ryan Braun. That's just not a realistic expectation for any rookie. Hell, that's not very realistic for any veteran.

 

And finally, in response to the Counsell comment, we very well could be in a situation next year where we don't have much better in LF.

[TooLiveBrew]

If it comes down to it, there are many options that are far superior to being in the neighborhood of Counsell for LF in 2008. The reason nothing's been moved on yet is that DM & Co. look to be holding out as long as they can in order to fill 3B as opposed to LF.

 

Burrell wouldn't be worth it for a few reasons imo - he'd cost something via trade, he wouldn't allow the Crew to maximize Braun's offense in LF, and Burrell himself is not a good fielder. Offensively, he fits the bill entirely. But the value of defense at 3B for me outweighs Burrell, plus whatever we'd have to give up to get him. He's a fine offensive player, though, to be sure.

[Oldcity]

When I think of burell, I think of jenkins. it's as if they were twins in my eyes.

Jenkins in '07 (in a platoon role): .255/.319/.471

Burrell in '07: .256/.400/.502

 

Jenkins Career: .277/.347/.496

Burrell Career: .258/.367/.482

Twins? Their career numbers aren't too different, but Burrell is clearly a different player. His batting eye is much better than Jenkins', and the last few years Jenkins' production hasn't been anywhere close to Burrell's.

 

 

 

 

[TooLiveBrew]

If it comes down to it, there are many options that are far superior to being in the neighborhood of Counsell for LF in 2008. The reason nothing's been moved on yet is that DM & Co. look to be holding out as long as they can in order to fill 3B as opposed to LF.

 

Burrell wouldn't be worth it for a few reasons imo - he'd cost something via trade, he wouldn't allow the Crew to maximize Braun's offense in LF, and Burrell himself is not a good fielder. Offensively, he fits the bill entirely. But the value of defense at 3B for me outweighs Burrell, plus whatever we'd have to give up to get him. He's a fine offensive player, though, to be sure.

[Oldcity]

When I think of burell, I think of jenkins. it's as if they were twins in my eyes.

Jenkins in '07 (in a platoon role): .255/.319/.471

Burrell in '07: .256/.400/.502

 

Jenkins Career: .277/.347/.496

Burrell Career: .258/.367/.482

Twins? Their career numbers aren't too different, but Burrell is clearly a different player. His batting eye is much better than Jenkins', and the last few years Jenkins' production hasn't been anywhere close to Burrell's.

 

 

 

 

[TooLiveBrew]

Plus Burrell can face like-handed pitching... .257/.374/.483/.857 v. RHP for his 3-yr. splits.

[TooLiveBrew]

Plus Burrell can face like-handed pitching... .257/.374/.483/.857 v. RHP for his 3-yr. splits.

[DrWood]

burrell was probably highly available until the phillies got on fire, made the playoffs, then lost rowand, thinning out their OF.

hall and bush might get it done, but I don't know if that improves the brewers.

[DrWood]

burrell was probably highly available until the phillies got on fire, made the playoffs, then lost rowand, thinning out their OF.

hall and bush might get it done, but I don't know if that improves the brewers.

[endaround]

Burrell is only going somewhere that gives him a huge extension. He's really not an option.

[endaround]

Burrell is only going somewhere that gives him a huge extension. He's really not an option.

[Gopher74]

burrell was probably highly available until the phillies got on fire, made the playoffs, then lost rowand, thinning out their OF.

hall and bush might get it done, but I don't know if that improves the brewers.

Yea, that's very possible. It's also possible that they're still willing to trade him and simply don't value him that highly. I don't know. Clearly though he's not "as" available now as he was last year.

 

Burrell is only going somewhere that gives him a huge extension. He's really not an option.

 

I thought that he his no trade clause expired the last year of his contract, similar to Suppan's which is only good for two years, and Dunn's which is also expired last year so that each team could trade each player their last season.

[Gopher74]

burrell was probably highly available until the phillies got on fire, made the playoffs, then lost rowand, thinning out their OF.

hall and bush might get it done, but I don't know if that improves the brewers.

Yea, that's very possible. It's also possible that they're still willing to trade him and simply don't value him that highly. I don't know. Clearly though he's not "as" available now as he was last year.

 

Burrell is only going somewhere that gives him a huge extension. He's really not an option.

 

I thought that he his no trade clause expired the last year of his contract, similar to Suppan's which is only good for two years, and Dunn's which is also expired last year so that each team could trade each player their last season.

[ILuvDaBush]

You guys forget that Burrell was drafted out of the U as a 3B... But seriously, if we could get Pat the Bat for one year...ESPECIALLY after his finish to last year where he was putting up Rickie Weeks-since-the call-up(sans SB's)-numbers, I think most overestimate his availability. He almost single-handedly willed the Phils to the postseason. I'm a big Pat the Bat fan. The only thing that scares me is the no trade caluse and the type of extention expected.

[ILuvDaBush]

You guys forget that Burrell was drafted out of the U as a 3B... But seriously, if we could get Pat the Bat for one year...ESPECIALLY after his finish to last year where he was putting up Rickie Weeks-since-the call-up(sans SB's)-numbers, I think most overestimate his availability. He almost single-handedly willed the Phils to the postseason. I'm a big Pat the Bat fan. The only thing that scares me is the no trade caluse and the type of extention expected.