Boston: Youkilis and Crisp for Hall, Turnbow, etc.

[logan82]

As I stated, why should we believe that Youkilis can play 3B? The Sox don't even think he can play 3B. I also wouldn't want to give up Turnbow. I like him as depth at worst. He still has a lot of value, even though he is not to popular anymore.

[trwi7]

The Sox don't even think he can play 3B.

Uhh the Sox have Mike Lowell at 3B. It's not exactly a need for them and they had a need at 1B.

[ILuvDaBush]

When I first read the trade, the guy I immediately thought of...and please folks, I KNOW he would have to be "named later", but LaPorta would be the ideal chip to package with Hall if he were shipped to get Youkilis. I don't think Turnbow would interest them, though I also couldn't have foreseen that Gagne would end up there last year and T-Bow does have a proven track record as a set-up guy. But the fact that the Sox drafted LaPorta, and his sick OBP rate, would point to the type of player the Sox could groom to be their 1B. And as long as Lowell is in Boston, Youk has to stay at 1B. And also Crisp was once worth one of the top prospects in the game and he still plays very good defense in center. And honestly, imagine Youk in the two-hole in that lineup!

 

2B Weeks

3B Youk

LF Braun (He has the arm for right, but we have an opening in left)

1B Prince

RF Hart

CF Crisp

C Kendall

SS Hardy

P YO!

 

That's A LOT of runs!

[Gopher74]

As I stated, why should we believe that Youkilis can play 3B? The Sox don't even think he can play 3B. I also wouldn't want to give up Turnbow. I like him as depth at worst. He still has a lot of value, even though he is not to popular anymore.

I don't understand why you seem to think that the Sox don't even think he can play 3rd. They only moved him because they were getting a Gold Glover at 3rd base in Mike Lowell, and then they re-signed him.

 

As for why we believe he can, it's based on the fact that he was a solid 3rd basemen when he played over there, and that he's a GG'er at 1st base, which while certainly not being the same, combined with his previous play at 3rd, it's a convincing argument IMO.

 

[Gopher74]

Where did I say anything about his play at 1B?

I thought it'd have been pretty clear that I mis-spoke and meant 3rd base as I followed it up explaining why they moved him.

 

[DrWood]

just in case it wasn't clear from the earlier posts from other folks,

the reason to believe Youkilis could play 3b well is because HE HAS PLAYED 3b WELL!!!

[Gopher74]

just in case it wasn't clear from the earlier posts from other folks,

the reason to believe Youkilis could play 3b well is because HE HAS PLAYED 3b WELL!!!

LOL...umm..yea, what he said!

 

[sheetswannabe]

LOL...umm..yea, what he said!

We look down on AOL talk in here, please speak more professionally. Im not trying to be mean, but just look out for you. Thanks!

But yes, I would do the trade, only because Youkillis would be amazing at 3rd for us.

[monty57]

What happened to Crisp? His last two seasons in CLE

 

avg / OBP / Slg / OPS

 

2004: .297 / .344 / .446 / .790 15 HR in 491 ABs

2005: .300 / .345 / .465 / .810 16 HR in 594 ABs

 

Then in Boston

 

2006: .264 / .317 / .385 / .702 8 HR in 413 ABs

2007: .268 / .330 / ..382 / .712 6 HR in 526 ABs

 

And he's 28 now, so he actually seriously regressed (more like fell off a cliff) just when he should be hitting his prime. Is this a guy who left his hypodermic in Cleveland? It's not like he went to a pitcher's haven in Boston.

[Ennder]

Crisp is an above average CF, he was one of the better defensive CF's in baseball last year and for his career has put up average offensive numbers for a CF.

Turnbow is a below average RP that would likely just pitch garbage innings with their bullpen.

I'd rather have Crisp. I'd rather have Youkilis than Hall and it isn't even close though. So I agree that Boston isn't like to do this deal

What happened to Crisp?

Crisp broke his left index finger attempting to steal third base and spent the next 42 games on the disabled list in 2006 and it bothered him all season and was still bothering him at the start of 2007. (fantasy baseball knowledge does pay off sometimes!)

From June 13th through the end of the season last year he put up a line of .297/.362/.438/.800 in 356 PA's so I imagine the finger is all better now.

[trwi7]

You know if the Brewers think they could get Crisp I'd be all for him and moving Hall back to 3B which moves Braun to LF.

[Gopher74]

You know if the Brewers think they could get Crisp I'd be all for him and moving Hall back to 3B which moves Braun to LF.

It certainly wouldn't be as ideal as getting a Rolen/Beltre/Chavez type, but you'd be getting an upgrade in both CF and 3rd, and I think it's reasonable to think that Crisp could bounce back in Milwaukee next year.

 

Maybe he struggled because it was Boston. Maybe it was because of his finger. Whatever the case may be, his defense has always been good, and he's a 28 year old who had two very good years in Cleveland. I'd take the minimal risk while hoping for a larger reward.

 

[Big Reed]

boston would never do this trade! if I were the brewers, i would do this trade. but Boston - NO WAY !

 

WHY? if boston needed another reliever, they wouldn't have to trade for one. they could just outbid the brewers for his services. Boston could have resigned gagne if they wanted to. they could have signed Riske if they wanted him. They could have given the mets a bone for mota if they wanted him. The y could have signed linebrink. Clearly, boston does not need to make a trade to acquire a guy like turnbow.

 

Second reason - Youkillus is a great third baseman. he's also a great first baseman. I think he even played a couple of games at second either in the minors or his rookie year and was great at second too. Excluding the all star game and the world series, Big poppie played 0 games at first. The red Sox need Youkillus.

 

Hall? I personally think he is way over rated by brewers fans. is he better than Julio Lugo? perhaps in some brewer fans ' minds. but the red Sox didn't acquire lugo to hit homers, have a high slugging percentage or drive people home or eve n have a 400 OBP. they acquired him to play defense, get on base and steal a few bases and carry the bats of the other players and put them in the bat rack and then get the sunflower seeds from the club house and pic k up the cleaning. Lugo's average was down last year, but for the most part, he did everything else the Sox needed and asked of him. he even bought the pizzas after every home win. What a guy.

 

Crisp ? he's an extra part sitting on the bench for the red Sox now that Ellsbury has arrived. I' m quite sure the Bo Sox would be willing to give him away - cheap - just take his salary.

 

Boston SS ?? pedroia was a shortstop in the minors. he had a very nice rookie year at second, but could easily move to play shortstop. boston does seem to be weak at shortstop in their minors. I'm kind of surprised they didn't acquire Tejada. I'm not sold on hall's defensive skills. if hall couldn't beat out hardy to start at shortstop for the brewers, why would boston want hall to start at shortstop for them? unlike the brewers, the red Sox don't need his bat. they want a good fielding shortstop. and obviously melvin felt hardy was a better fielding shortsop than hall, or else hall would have stayed in the infield.

 

Boston is the last team the brewers should try to trade with. they don't need any of our players. they can buy better players if they really needed somebody. Turnbow and hall? and you actually think on a team where Coco Crisp is a bench warmer, they'd want to give up Youk to acquire hall and turnbow?

 

I doubt i'll ever get the warning for making one liner replies.

[DrWood]

lugo is an offensive SS, not a defensive one. it just happened that he was very bad offensively as well last year.

[MessiahRp]

In my opinion Crisp is worthless, unless you are talking backup outfielder. He is basically a poor man's Marquis Grissom. There is a reason that Boston benched him for a rookie in a pennant race, has been trying to dump him all winter, and has been rebuffed by everybody on him. No way does he have more value than Turnbow.

 

They haven't been rebuffed by everybody on him. In fact I think for the most part they have been playing wait and see on the one major offer he is mentioned in (Santana). If the Twins end up taking the Crisp offer they will move him to Minnesota, if not there are other teams that supposedly were interested. I could see San Diego biting with Mike Cameron seemingly out of their plans.

 

While Crisp may not draw a marquee return player, he'll definitely get better offers than that of a "spare part". Ellsbury however is something special, the Sox know it and it makes no sense to keep two guys that would start at the same position when you can trade a guy for a value return.

 

Rp

[twobrewers]

lugo is an offensive SS, not a defensive one.

I agree. Lugo's play was very offensive last year.

[DrWood]

actually, if I was Boston, I'd trade Ellsbury in a second. He's not as good as he showed in his callup.

[Gopher74]

actually, if I was Boston, I'd trade Ellsbury in a second. He's not as good as he showed in his callup.

Well obviously he's not going to hit .354 for his entire career, but he's a great looking prospect. I can't imagine why they'd want to trade him. He looks as though he's going to be every bit the defender that Crisp is and a far superior offensive player. It just doesn't make any sense.

 

[Big Reed]

I like Ellsbury, and I believe the Bo Sox do as well. However, I could see him being a key part of a trade package for Johan Santana. The red Sox could put together a package of Ellsbury, a couple of pitching prospects like Bowden or Buchholz , and the twins would gladly give them Santana. The red Sox wouldn't even have to include Youk or pedroia as part of the package. Ellsbury may have a great future in boston. but i see him as trade bait to lure an even bigger and better fish.

[trwi7]

The Red Sox have already said that they won't put Buchholz in a package for Santana and that they would only include Ellsbury if they didn't have to give up Lester.

[monty57]

Crisp broke his left index finger attempting to steal third base and spent the next 42 games on the disabled list in 2006 and it bothered him all season and was still bothering him at the start of 2007. (fantasy baseball knowledge does pay off sometimes!)

 

From June 13th through the end of the season last year he put up a line of .297/.362/.438/.800 in 356 PA's so I imagine the finger is all better now.

 

Thanks Ennder. That's definitely good information that the stats lines will never show. Actually kind of like Weeks and his wrist. If his problems were truly due to a now-healed injury, I'd love to have Crisp on the team, moving Hall to 3B & Braun to LF. The question is, what would it take to get him? Boston is set in the rotation with Beckett, Schilling, Matsuzaka, Wakefield and Lester, somewhat eliminating our main trading chip, which is starting pitching.

 

Would Boston trade Crisp for Capuano or Bush, using them as a long man / injury replacement? SABR guys seem enamored with Bush, and seem to be the biggest believers in Capuano, so Theo might bite. As the last few posters have mentioned, any trades with Boston are going to be on hold until there is a definite answer on Santana.