Boston: Youkilis and Crisp for Hall, Turnbow, etc.

[DrWood]

I posted this elsewhere. It just makes too much sense to me. Brewers get: Kevin Youkilis to play 3b. Coco Crisp to get into the OF mix Red Sox get: Bill Hall to play SS. Derek Turnbow Any minor league OF other than LaPorta Salome or a different prospect. I don't think of Crisp as a long-term solution for CF, but an OF of him, Hart and Braun would have lots of speed. Youkilis is a fine 3b. He's not LH, but he hits righties for higher OPS than lefties. He also gets ON BASE! Boston would have to find a 1b, but those are typically fairly easy to find. Lugo was so wretched last year, Hall would be a huge upgrade.

[DannoMac21]

Red Sox would never do it

[DrWood]

thank you rickie "swami" weeks for your thoughtful post. crisp is a spare part. Youkilis is clearly part of their core, but Hall is a big upgrade at SS. Turnbow, maybe Darren Ford, and Salome. make it a pretty good haul for the sox. heck, replace ford with gamel.

[jordanmuehl]

As RW stated, they wouldn't pull the trigger on a deal like this. Youkilis is too important of a piece for the BoSox. I don't see them giving him up easily whatsoever.

[twobrewers]

thank you rickie "swami" weeks for your thoughtful post. crisp is a spare part. Youkilis is clearly part of their core, but Hall is a big upgrade at SS.

condescend much?

 

Youkilis is Boston like Rivera is New York.

 

I just don't see it happening. Turnbow has limited value after his past struggles, and it isn't like Boston is dying for bullpen help. Hall would be a nice improvement for them at SS, but he also hasn't played there in over a year, is coming off a down year and would be making the NL-to-AL switch.

 

As you mentioned, Boston would also be left with a 1st base hole.

Youk at 3B > Hall

Crisp > Turnbow

And I don't think any prospect would interest Boston. They already have a great system. They need all-star caliber players, not more prospects.

[DrWood]

I condescend sometimes to reach the level of some posters.

[jordanmuehl]

Simply because the first replier stated that the Red Sox would never do it (which is a valid statement), he's on a "different level"? I'm not trying to start anything, but if you're going to post on the Transaction Rumors board, be more willing to accept other people's opinions.

[AJAY]

Boston values on-base percentage and plate discipline more than most teams. They would never take Hall, and they would never give up Youkilis.

[Scooter1027]

I condescend sometimes to reach the level of some posters.

 

Really? Because he (accurately, in my opinion) said that Boston wouldn't do it? I fail to see how he was being condescending. Did you expect everyone here to agree with you?

[And That]

thank you rickie "swami" weeks

While RickieWeeks23's post didn't have much to it (one liners are something we try to discourage around here), condescension is not allowed here. Refrain from name calling, please. You can easily find a way to disagree more tactfully, I'm sure.

 

[StrangeBreww]

thank you rickie "swami" weeks for your thoughtful post. crisp is a spare part. Youkilis is clearly part of their core, but Hall is a big upgrade at SS. Turnbow, maybe Darren Ford, and Salome. make it a pretty good haul for the sox. heck, replace ford with gamel.

 

I'm assuming the reason you started this thread was to get opinions, why rag on RW for sharing his? Not everyone will always agree with you, especially on a mesaage board.

 

I do not believe that Boston would part with KY for a guy coming off a down year and some throw in pitchers. He is a big part of their offense, one they can't afford to lose at this point.

[twobrewers]

I will agree, however, that I would like to see Crisp in a Brewer's uniform. I have always been a fan of his, and I think moving to the NL might really help his production.

 

If the Brewers we to move Hall to 3B, I think Crisp would be a nice addition as a CF.

[Gopher74]

Wow. Ya gotta love this. EVERYONE has to jump in to chastise DrWood for his remarks. I guess I'd have thought one or two might have done the job as I don't see the need for pilling....but I digress....

 

 

Anyway, I agree that this isn't a very likely deal. I will disagree with the poster who said that Crisp has more value than Turnbow. Crips is a spare part for them, and they've been interested in Turnbow for quite sometime.

 

Plus if you were to throw in a guy like Gamel+Escobar, the Sox could conceivably turn and deal them for something, thereby upgrading their SS situation, their BP, and replacing their 1st basemen.

 

Still don't think it'd happen, just trying to play devils advocate.

[RockCoCougars]

In my opinion, though maybe not worded the right way, DrWood was right that Crisp is garbage. I wouldn't do this trade.

[Oldcity]

Crisp isn't good, but Youkilis would make this worth it... Although I'm not sure how he is at third. I agree that Boston wouldn't do this though.

[M Skjellyfetti]

Just looking at Youkilis's RZR, he seems pretty solid at third over his career. He could have changed quite a bit, because the majority of his innings at 3rd came in 2004. However, I think he'd at least be worth a shot at 3rd. If Crisp plays good defense, he might make a decent 4th outfielder, but nothing to really write home about. I do agree with the general sentiment that this trade would be pretty tough to pull off, though.

[Gopher74]

Crisp isn't good, but Youkilis would make this worth it... Although I'm not sure how he is at third. I agree that Boston wouldn't do this though.

He looks solid at least.

 

Career .960 FP in the big leagues.

 

[reillymcshane]

Trading Youkilis to fill SS only creates a hole for Boston at 1B. Perhaps they have a young player they like there, but they'd only have to find a new guy - plus be stuck with $30+ million they owe Lugo to be a back up. They'd be far better off keeping Lugo as SS and hope he rebounds to his .750ish OPS of the previous few seasons. Youkilis is a solid player, a gold glove winner (although this value is questionable at times), and seems to be a good clubhouse guy.

[twobrewers]

I will disagree with the poster who said that Crisp has more value than Turnbow. Crips is a spare part for them, and they've been interested in Turnbow for quite sometime.

The fact that Crisp is a spare part for Boston does nothing to affect his value. It is all relative to what other teams are willing to trade for Crisp or Turnbow.

 

I believe Crisp is worth more than Turnbow for several reasons. First, while Crisp has been less than spectacular, he has been fairly consistent and is a great fielder. Turnbow has shown flashes of brilliance mixed with some horrendous outings. (And I am a big Turnbow fan) Turnbow is also a pitcher who has struggled in the NL. Crisp is a batter who has struggled in the AL.

 

Lastly, Turnbow is signed only through next year. While Crisp has two years left on a very reasonable contract. (4.75m in 2008, 5.75m in 2009, and a club option for 8.00m in 2010)

[DannoMac21]

I condescend sometimes to reach the level of some posters.

 

I apologize for stating my opinion. I'll go back into my corner now. All hail DrWood.

[RockCoCougars]

In my opinion Crisp is worthless, unless you are talking backup outfielder. He is basically a poor man's Marquis Grissom. There is a reason that Boston benched him for a rookie in a pennant race, has been trying to dump him all winter, and has been rebuffed by everybody on him. No way does he have more value than Turnbow.

[DrWood]

I condescend sometimes to reach the level of some posters.

I apologize for stating my opinion. I'll go back into my corner now. All hail DrWood.

 

It was a thoughtless opinion. you merely stated that boston would never do it, without supporting your case whatsoever. notice I didn't get sarcastic vs. the posters that tried to state their case.

[DrWood]

the reason why I posted this particular trade is that doesn't create a hole for the brewers. lose a cf, get a cf, though one you might want to improve upon in the future. get a 3b, lose a reliever, but at least the brewers have plenty of warm bodies that could be setup men. It does create a hole for the red sox, but a hole which is typically one of the easiest to fill, and Ortiz can at least be a part-time 1b. I'm not sure if the 1b they have on their 40 man is a real prospect or if they were just protecting him.

[logan82]

Straight up I would rather have Hall over Crisp. I think there really is no positive in this trade unless you are hell bent on getting rid of Turnbow. It looks like the Sox are trying to sign Lowell or get a 3B somewhere else so I doubt that Youkilis would be a realistic option at 3B. I doubt they would look at a guy who "could" play 3B. If they are going to move Braun off of 3B I don't see them doing it for a guy like Youkilis.

[Gopher74]

Straight up I would rather have Hall over Crisp. I think there really is no positive in this trade unless you are hell bent on getting rid of Turnbow.

I can't imagine how you could say getting a guy with a OBP near .400 to hit in the 2 hole is not a positive. Plus you improve your defense in both CF, and 3rd base, and it's not like you're going to miss Hall's shinny OBP.

 

The problem with this deal IMO is not that we don't get enough, it's that the Sox would likely not be motivated enough to do it.