Gord Ash on XM ... Latest: Hall/Sheets to LAD per Stone?

[Dmiles23]

It was just added on mlbtraderumors.com that the Dodgers have asked the Brewers about Hall. I am officially PRAYING for Andy LaRoche!!

[MillerParkSouth]

I don't want to get rid of Hall, but if we could somehow do a package and get LaRoche and Kemp, well that would be sweet. Is LaRoche legit? I seem to recall him struggling when he came up for a bit last year.

[endaround]

And after the Brewers trade Hall they can forget about ever getting a home town discount again!

[jjfanec]

LaRoche has a low average but an insane OBP percentage. His average .226 with and OBP of .365. That is a pretty impressive eye for a rookie

[RyDogg66]

Ugh....I dont want to see Hall traded for Laroche. Just move Hall back the 3b.

[Ralph Wiggum]

It was just added on mlbtraderumors.com that the Dodgers have asked the Brewers about Hall. I am officially PRAYING for Andy LaRoche!!

It wouldn't surprise me if this was part of something much bigger

 

Dodgers get:

Ben Sheets

Bill Hall

 

Brewers get:

Andy LaRoche

Jonathan Broxton

Matt Kemp

 

That would fill all the Brewers' holes quite nicely. LaRoche is a good defender at 3B, Broxton can either set-up or close, and Kemp fills one of the corner OF vacancies. I think Hart gets shifted to CF, Kemp plays RF and Braun plays LF. Talk about power potential.

[brewerfan82]

I don't want to get rid of Hall, but if we could somehow do a package and get LaRoche and Kemp, well that would be sweet. Is LaRoche legit? I seem to recall him struggling when he came up for a bit last year.

Minor League Batting Stats from TheBaseballCube:

Year	Team	Lg	Age	Org.	Level		Pos	G	AB	R		2B		HR	RBI	SB	CS	BB	SO					AVG	OBP	SLG	OPS
2003	Ogden	Pio	19	Mil	Rk			6	19	1		1		0	5	0	0	1	4					.211	.238	.263	501
2004	Columbus	SAL	20	La	A		3b	65	244	52		20		13	42	12	5	29	30					.283	.375	.525	900
	Vero Beach	FSL	20	La	A+		3b	62	219	26		13		10	34	2	3	17	42					.237	.295	.434	729
2005	Vero Beach	FSL	21	La	A+		3b	63	249	54		14		21	51	6	1	19	38					.333	.380	.651	1031
	Jcksnvlle	Sou	21	La	AA		3b	64	227	41		12		9	43	2	2	32	54					.273	.367	.445	812
2006	Jcksnvlle	Sou	22	La	AA		3b	62	230	42		13		9	46	6	3	41	32					.309	.419	.483	902
	Las Vegas	PCL	22	La	AAA		3b	55	202	35		14		10	35	3	2	25	32					.322	.400	.550	950
2007	Las Vegas	PCL	23	La	AAA			73	265	55		18		18	48	2	2	39	42					.309	.399	.589	988
	LA Dodgers	NL	23	La	MLB			35	93	16		5		1	10	2	1	20	24					.226	.365	.312	677
Major League Totals - 1 Season(s)								35	93	16		5		1	10	2	1	20	24					.226	.365	.312	677
Minor League Totals - 5 Season(s)								450	1655	306		105		90	304	33	18	203	274					.295	.376	.525	901

Yes, he's legit.

[brewerfan82]

I would love a trade involving Hall and maybe a pitcher (Vargas? Please someone take him for something!) for LaRoche. Maybe even involve Gamel if we can get some relief pitching back as well. But I'd still like to see the outfield hole filled with a left-handed bat even though Kemp has done pretty well against righties so far. I'd love to grab Luke Scott from the Astros (Maybe if I keep bringing it up, it will happen...). If we can get LaRoche and Scott for a combination of Hall, Vargas, Capuano and filler going to LA and Houston, I'd be pretty stoked: Weeks, Scott, Braun, Fielder, Hart, LaRoche, Hardy, Kendall

[Milltownhooker]

I could see Hall & Capuano for LaRoche & Kemp

[Patrick425]

It was just added on mlbtraderumors.com that the Dodgers have asked the Brewers about Hall.

You do realize that when Melvin is interview again at some point today he will say that he has not spoken with LA and that no one has approached him regarding Hall.

[sbrylski]

I could see Hall & Capuano for LaRoche & Kemp

That'd be nuts, but it ain't happening. Pick one for that package, possibly.

[TCSM]

we could maybe figure out a way to do a hall + prospect for LaRoche. Even if we do that we're left with a hole in CF.

[Milltownhooker]

I could see Hall & Capuano for LaRoche & Kemp

That'd be nuts, but it ain't happening. Pick one for that package, possibly.

Yeah probably got overzealous Either & LaRoche would be a better possibility

[TooLiveBrew]

There could be, but the roadblock to me is that we'd need a pretty good SP included in the deal. I wouldn't swap Sheets/Hall for Broxton/LaRoche due to the gaping hole we'd have in the rotation. In fact, losing Hall in CF would be a bit troublesome, too, as we're already searching for an OF. It'd depend on what we'd be able to get, obviously. If either Kemp or Ethier were included, then I'd feel better about losing Hall.

[TooLiveBrew]

mentioned Yost was "very good" at utilizing whomever and that it didn't have to be one guy.

Oh dear. Gotta disagree with Gord on that one - but I like to hear that they're not committed to one player there.

 

That would fill all the Brewers' holes quite nicely.

 

And create a gigantic one in the starting rotation. You can't trade Sheets without receiving a pretty darn good SP in return. Obviously our positional vacancies would be patched up, but at what cost?

[crewcrazy]

The Dodgers wouldn't part with Jonathan Broxton for Erik Bedard, so they probably won't part with him for Ben Sheets and/or Bill Hall. They realize Saito isn't going to be around much longer and they see Broxton as their future closer. I think talking the Dodgers into Saito is more likely than getting them to include Broxton, which wouldn't be such a bad thing. Saito may be old, but he's still very cheap and hasn't really had a bad year in the majors yet. You could argue that he was the best closer in the National League last year.

[Chio151]

How about Sheets & Hall for Broxton, Ethier, & Scott Elbert

[Ralph Wiggum]

How about Sheets & Hall for Broxton, Ethier, & Scott Elbert

 

I think that any discussion with the Dodgers almost HAS to include Andy LaRoche somehow becoming Brewer property.

[TooLiveBrew]

Sheets/Hall for Billingsley/LaRoche. Whatever you'd have to do to get Broxton in there might be worth it, too. Would our duo be enough to merit the inclusion of Broxton?

[aracko]

Sheets, Hall, Joe Dillon for

Kemp, Laroche, and Greg Miller????

 

EDIT TO ADD - I expect nothing to come of this except for maybe alot of broken moral amonst the fans.

[MoneyballMan]

As someone mentioned, it doesn't look like the Dodgers are going to move Broxton. Young, cheap, closer-quality guy is just too valuable with the price of closers these days.

 

Billingsley is probably another guy that we're undervaluing a bit. He's a future (not too distant future) #1 or #2 SP. Sheets (injury concerns) and Hall (selling low) may net you Billingsley and a couple of mid-level prospects. I think we may be overvaluing what Sheets and Hall can bring us right now. Or maybe Sheet and Hall for LaRoche and a couple of mid-level prospects. But then you've got a hole in the OF again. It could be interesting and I hope they prove me wrong!!

[MoneyballMan]

How about Sheets & Hall for Broxton, Ethier, & Scott Elbert

I just don't see the Dodgers giving up that much for Sheets and Hall, but I really do hope I'm wrong! This would be a good trade, but still doesn't address 3B. You'd have to hope for LaRoche to be included somehow. But then Broxton, LaRoche, Elbert is way too much for them to give.

[Robideaux]

I'm having trouble understanding how trading Hall + Sheets for LaRoche + ethier makes the Brewers a better team. In my opinion, Hall to LaRoche is a lateral move (at best) in the short term. Can we really expect LaRoche to significantly outhit Hall as a rookie? Hall's still young and fairly cheap--I don't understand the impetus to move him. Unless you get a can't miss pitching prospect for Sheets, the pitching is going to very thin. The net gain in offense between an Andre Either and a Gross/Mench platoon would be marginal compared with the decline in pitching from Sheets to Bush/Cappy/5th starter.

 

I think people are getting impatient because the Rolen trade seemed so close to happening that we want something, anything, to happen even if it is not necessarily a smart move. Why do we want to blow up the nucleous of this team? We just had our first winning season in 15 years.

[MoneyballMan]

Sheets, Hall, Joe Dillon for

Kemp, Laroche, and Greg Miller????

 

EDIT TO ADD - I expect nothing to come of this except for maybe alot of broken moral amonst the fans.

I think you're probably very correct. It's just very hard for DM to get "appropriate" value for Sheets and Hall right now.

[MoneyballMan]

I'm having trouble understanding how trading Hall + Sheets for LaRoche + ethier makes the Brewers a better team. In my opinion, Hall to LaRoche is a lateral move (at best) in the short term. Can we really expect LaRoche to significantly outhit Hall as a rookie? Hall's still young and fairly cheap--I don't understand the impetus to move him. Unless you get a can't miss pitching prospect for Sheets, the pitching is going to very thin. The net gain in offense between an Andre Either and a Gross/Mench platoon would be marginal compared with the decline in pitching from Sheets to Bush/Cappy/5th starter.

 

I think people are getting impatient because the Rolen trade seemed so close to happening that we want something, anything, to happen even if it is not necessarily a smart move. Why do we want to blow up the nucleous of this team? We just had our first winning season in 15 years.

I agree - if Sheets had a healthy and successful year and Hall had hit like 2006, then we could expect a better haul trading them (e.g. Broxton/LaRoche/Kemp).

 

Right now, I'm just not sure you can get enough in return. The old adage "don't sell low" (unless it's tax time and you need a write-off!).