Arguing with a Cubs fan...

[BREWCREW5]

My buddy was up to see me this weekend. He is a big Cubs fan. We proceeded to get into a huge shouting match about our perspective teams. Here is the play by play.

 

First on our topic was Kendall. He told me how Kendall cant throw anyone out, cant hit anymore and is very old. I advised that Kendall has a great OBP and has always hit in the NL. I also stated that Kendall was only better than Estrada at throwing people out.

 

Next topic (this was the big one) was the possibility of trading for Rolen. He told me that Rolen sucks now, his shoulder is ruined and that he will just be injured his entire time in Milwaukee. I brought up Rolen's stellar defense and he said that Rolen wont be able to throw the ball across the field because of his shoulder. I then tried to reason with him saying that the crew wouldnt trade for him unless he was cleared by the Brewers medical staff. This meant nothing to him. I brought up the fact that he is so high on Kerry Wood. He basically said that Wood is the next coming of Christ and the fact that he pitched 24 innings last year proves that he is 100% healthy.

 

Next topic was that Braun should not have won Rookie of the Year. Of course, he said that Troy T. should have won because he is far superior to Braun and Troy plays SS. I advised that Troy's numbers were skewed because of the Coors factor. I also stated that Braun had the type of rookie campaign that Legends are made from. He preceded to tell me that Braun is the worst fielding 3rd baseman ever.

 

Things started getting so out of hand that he asked me how many World Series the Brewers had won? I told him it had been a hundred years since the cubs had won. He preceded to tell me the cubs were division champs and the Brewers had never won the World Series and how the Cubs had. I attempted to talk about the Milwaukee Braves of the 1950's but kept getting the "Brewers?!" thrown in my face.

 

My next thought was to punch him in the face. I remained a calm man.

 

Here is to the Brewers destroying the Cubs and the rest of the division for years to come!

 

Anyone have a comments or suggestions?

[radman12484]

Oh he's one of those guys. I bet he's the guy who argues everything about sports. No matter if it was the Cubs/Brewers or Bears/Packers. I got plenty of friends that way. I work by someone at my job who think he knows everything about sports and I know nothing. Well its clear by the arguements its the other way around. There isn't a person around who listen to these arguements who don't say this guy is an idoit. We had an arguement during the late summer about greatest qb's of all time. I swear he was just picking names out of a hat. I told him my top 5 and no one disagree with the top 5, maybe the order but not the guys in there. He said his top 5, only 1 of my 5 guys were in his and he tried making a case that if you win super bowls, you are the greatest. Don't get me wrong, it helps. But if your gonna put Joe Namath and Terry Bradshaw in ahead of Brett Favre (which wasn't even in his top 10 when we found out), you shouldn't be opening your mouth. We had tons of baseball arguements as well, that was just one I could think of that was pathetic.

[Weirdos19]

Typical Cub fan garbage.

 

Living in Janesville, there is about a 50/50 split on Cubs/Brewers. Although, with the Brewers start this year, people started coming out of the woodwork with jerseys on.

 

Cub fans always say Sheets is like Wood and Prior. Injury prone. I agree to a point, but I also say that he's never had his elbow cut on, and still has the velocity most of the time. They ususally roll their eyes and blow it off.

 

They also think that Felix Pie is going to be a superstar. He may be a good prospect, but has shown little in the majors. I call it Gary Scott syndrome.

 

Not all Cub fans are like this, but most are.

[Brian the Automator]

It would be best if you ended the relationship.

[sbrylski]

Have you ever seen the D3: The Mighty Ducks? You know the part where they run tubes down the hall and under the covers of the varsity team while they're sleeping, and then feed fire ants through the tubes? Then all the ants start biting the sleeping players?

 

Do that.

[don1481]

It would be best if you ended the relationship.

 

I'd second this. No good comes from being around Cubs fans that don't understand reality...

 

[SeriesFinale]

Things started getting so out of hand that he asked me how many World Series the Brewers had won? I told him it had been a hundred years since the cubs had won. He preceded to tell me the cubs were division champs and the Brewers had never won the World Series and how the Cubs had. I attempted to talk about the Milwaukee Braves of the 1950's but kept getting the "Brewers?!" thrown in my face.

I lived in Chicago for years and as such constantly got into these arguments with friends, co-workers, random dudes on the El, etc.

The simple answer to this one is that at least I've seen a pennant in my lifetime

[dadofandrew]

Pie is an outstanding prospect, and still very young.

[Nottso]

My next thought was to punch him in the face. I remained a calm man.

 

 

Anyone have a comments or suggestions?

Go for an eye. Grownups with shiners look ridiculous.

[Big Reed]

You can always start talking about the White Sox. The White Sox used to play in Milwaukee after the braves left and before the brewers came to town I used to route for the white Sox as the home team in Milwaukee County stadium. Cubs fans always love to talk to people from Milwaukee who are White Sox fans.

 

Another idea is to join the Air Force. You move every 2-3 years and get to have a lot of different neighbors and teams to route for. GO Devil Rays! Go Reds! Go Angels! Go OK City 89ers! Go ATL Braves! Go San Antonio Dodgers! Roll Tide (people in Alabama doesn't care much about baseball).

 

I had an internet friend(?) tonight text me that the Celtics were > the bucks. then he said the Patriots > Packers. My reply was well duh, the BO Sox are > brewers and MIT is > UW and the Bruins are > Admirals. His dog is better than mine too because he eats Kennel Ration. I asked him what was his point and purpose other than to say he's better than me? His teams may be better, but my comebacks put him in his place.

 

I think my best comeback was , yes that may be true, but my wife can fly an F16, and shoot at houses, can your wife do that? What was your address again?

[hawing]

It would be best if you ended the relationship.

Yeah, upon reading the "any comments or suggestions," my first thought was pretty much "get a different buddy." Either that or agree to never talk sports; but he doesn't sound like the kind of person who could do that.

[logan82]

Go out into your driveway and get a rock to talk to. You would probably get a more intelligent conversation about baseball than you would talking to a Cubs fan.

[Ashford Lando]

Isn't it common debate knowledge to acknowledge your competition's correct/strong points? thus, to maintain your credibility? When this is ignored, clearly you have been match up with someone who is not considering all of the facts... clearly dealing with someone from Chicago! http://forum.brewerfan.net/images/smilies/wink.gif

[Tbadder]

It sounds like you're both right.

[monty57]

My buddy... get into a huge shouting match about our perspective teams.

 

First, it's probably not worth losing a friend over.

 

First on our topic was Kendall. He told me how Kendall cant throw anyone out, cant hit anymore and is very old. I advised that Kendall has a great OBP and has always hit in the NL. I also stated that Kendall was only better than Estrada at throwing people out.

Sounds reasonable. Kendall is old, doesn't hit as well as he used to and can't throw anyone out. The sad part is that he's still probably an upgrade for us.

 

Next topic (this was the big one) was the possibility of trading for Rolen. He told me that Rolen sucks now, his shoulder is ruined and that he will just be injured his entire time in Milwaukee. I brought up Rolen's stellar defense and he said that Rolen wont be able to throw the ball across the field because of his shoulder. I then tried to reason with him saying that the crew wouldnt trade for him unless he was cleared by the Brewers medical staff. This meant nothing to him.

 

Rolen would be a big risk for the Brewers, but he would also have a big upside. You're correct that the Brewers won't trade for him if he indeed cannot throw a baseball anymore. My biggest worry of a potential Rolen trade is who would be our backup when/if Rolen gets injured. Would we throw Braun back there, or would we see Counsell everyday? A lineup that includes a healthy Rolen at 3B and Braun in LF would have tremendous offensive potential.

 

I brought up the fact that he is so high on Kerry Wood. He basically said that Wood is the next coming of Christ and the fact that he pitched 24 innings last year proves that he is 100% healthy.

 

The Brewers offered Wood a two-year deal that apparently was better than the deal he signed with Chicago. Wood looked hard at it, but decided to stay in Chcago for his wife. I'd love to have Wood in our bullpen right now, and it seems so would Melvin. That said, he is an injury risk.

 

Next topic was that Braun should not have won Rookie of the Year. Of course, he said that Troy T. should have won because he is far superior to Braun and Troy plays SS. I advised that Troy's numbers were skewed because of the Coors factor. I also stated that Braun had the type of rookie campaign that Legends are made from. He preceded to tell me that Braun is the worst fielding 3rd baseman ever.

 

It was a close race, so it's not only Cubs fans that feel Tulo should've won. I'm may be biased, but I agree with you that Braun's offensive numbers were good enough to offset Tulo's defensive advantage. If Braun doesn't vastly improve, he may well be the worst fielding 3B ever. I think he'll either improve or switch positions.

 

Things started getting so out of hand that he asked me how many World Series the Brewers had won? I told him it had been a hundred years since the cubs had won. He preceded to tell me the cubs were division champs and the Brewers had never won the World Series and how the Cubs had. I attempted to talk about the Milwaukee Braves of the 1950's but kept getting the "Brewers?!" thrown in my face.

 

I just find it funny that either a Cubs fan or a Brewers fan takes any pride in their post season "success."

 

My next thought was to punch him in the face. I remained a calm man.

 

Probably the better choice.

 

Here is to the Brewers destroying the Cubs and the rest of the division for years to come!

 

Agreed. That's the best way to silence the Cubs fans.

 

Anyone have a comments or suggestions?

 

You can mention payroll, but in my experience, since it doesn't affect Cubs fans, most don't even seem to realize a discrepency exists.

[Bert55]

Your friend reminds me of someone that tells everyone he works with, including his boss, how valuable and hard working he is. Only to find out that the company is downsizing and he is the only one asked to leave.

 

He will never get it, including being a friend. I have to think that alcohol was involved because only then would he take your friendship so lightly. Oh wait, he is a Cubs fan.....

My Bad !

[BCZF]

For the holidays, buy this clown a goat shaped Chia Pet that sprouts turd blossoms, with a card that tells him to get a clue...

[JohnBriggs12]

Sadly, this Cub fan was right on some of his points. Rolen's shoulder hasn't been right for 3 seasons. It's resulted in a dramatic loss in his power. It's foolish to trade for a guy with that contract and a chronic injury. Amazingly he got along fine with LaRussa when he was healthy.

 

As for Kendall, just as Brewer fans were disgusted by Estrada's inability to throw out runners, the same goes for Cub fans with Kendall.

[homer]

I don't think Rolen's shoulder affected his defense though - it's his non throwing arm I believe.

[Fatter than Joey]

My strategy with arguing with Cubs fans is to ask them why Chicago has so many Dunkin Doughnuts.

[endaround]

Rolen has had a bum shoulder for three years? In 2006 he hit .296/.369/.518. Imagine if he was fully healthy! People keep acting like Rolen hasn't done anything for years when he was great all the way back in 2006.

[Klements Bratwurst]

I don't think Rolen's shoulder affected his defense though - it's his non throwing arm I believe.

 

Homer, you are correct, I see from this link that Rolen has had problems with his left shoulder. Unless he throws left handed in the future, I don't think the Cubs fan is correct in saying that he won't be able to throw the ball across the diamond.

 

The Cardinals official press release statement indicates that he should be fully recovered by spring training. Any one with a medical background, that might know what exactly was worked on in Scott's shoulder in 2007?