What would it take to get Dan Haren?

[fondybrewfan]

It seems obvious that the A's are considering going into rebuilding mode and Haren and other A's have been rumored to be on the trading block, at the right price of course.

 

Dan Haren last year posted a ridicous 3.04 ERA in the american league. He did pitch at a pitcher friendly ballpark but I am to lazy right now to look up his splits. He pitched in 34 games last year and is signed to an awesome contract at 16.25 million combined over the next 3 years. Yeah I have no idea why the A's would even consider trading this guy. Apparently the Yanks are offering up such guys as Hughes and Kennedy while the Red Sox are offering up Lester or Bowden as centerpieces to the deal.

 

So what package would it take to get Haren here? He just turned 27.

 

A's Get:

Manny Parra

Chris Capuano

Jeremy Jeffress

Bill Hall

Angel Salome

Alcides Escobar

 

Brewers Get:

Dan Haren

Huston Street

 

If and only if we sign Sheets for another 3-4 years I would do this

 

A's Get:

Yovani Gallardo

Jeremy Jeffress

Bill Hall

1 other prospect

 

Brewers Get:

Dan Haren

Huston Street

[yoyomayoma]

I don't like either deal. Street has had injury issues this past year. I can see a Parra/Hall/Escobar type of deal for Haren but I'd only do that if we deal Sheets. I can see Doug pursuing this type of deal for lots of our top prospects with the thought of adding 6 picks in the first two rounds of the draft in June. I wouldn't make this move yet. If we're going to give up the farm for a reliever, I'd talk to the Twins about Nathan.

[chadomac]

the brewers are giving up WAY too much for that return.

[billyhallfan]

the brewers are giving up WAY too much for that return.

 

they have to, the offer has to make oakland say yes, that is how it works, if you inquire, more often than not, you have to give up more.

[And That]

There are only a handful of players in the major leagues I would trade Yovanni Gallardo for... neither Haren nor Street are one of them. I also highly doubt the A's would package Haren and Street in the same deal, if they even want to trade either of them.

[fondybrewfan]

There are only a handful of players in the major leagues I would trade Yovanni Gallardo for... neither Haren nor Street are one of them. I also highly doubt the A's would package Haren and Street in the same deal, if they even want to trade either of them.

Just out of curiousity who would you trade Gallardo for?

[twobrewers]

Just out of curiousity who would you trade Gallardo for?

Two Gallardos.

 

Gallardo is pretty untouchable. He is rediculously cheap for years to come. He might be as good as Haren. So yes, Haren has a great contract. Gallardo has a greater contract.

I am also really high on Parra. Jeffress still has an amazing arm and might be a great reliever someday.

 

Talent wise - you are probably pretty close to the A's asking price. But this would be a pretty short sighted move. I think Doug wants to improve slow and steady over the years. Not drastic moves to take a shot at a championship.

[Oldcity]

There are only a handful of players in the major leagues I would trade Yovanni Gallardo for... neither Haren nor Street are one of them.

Guess I'd disagree here. Haren's a top five pitcher in MLB and is only 27.

 

[And That]

There are only a handful of players in the major leagues I would trade Yovanni Gallardo for... neither Haren nor Street are one of them.

Guess I'd disagree here. Haren's a top five pitcher in MLB and is only 27.

 

I'm confident that Gallardo's top end is somewhere around Haren's, and that he'll reach that top end pretty quickly. Yes, Haren is only owed $18 million over the next three years which is a heckuva bargain, but Gallardo is owed under $1.5 million over that same time span.

 

[brewerfan82]

I wouldn't want to make any deal involving Gallardo, but you'd have to look long and hard at the first deal if it was available. Acquiring these guys wouldn't be a short fix. You'd have Haren (team option for $7M in '10) at the top of the rotation and Street closing (arby for the next three years) through 2010. We probably have the depth to give up the players mentioned, especially citing the extra draft picks we get this upcoming year.

 

A rotation of Sheets, Haren, Gallardo, Villanueva, Suppan would be tremendous. The problem with the trade is it leaves us with probably three remaining holes to fill this offseason (two OF and one more RP) and not much trading ammo left. But we'd still have a couple nice chips in Vargas and Bush to try to get an outfielder and there are some decent pitching options available through free agency (Gagne, Percival, Riske, etc.).

[And That]

Just out of curiousity who would you trade Gallardo for?

Off the top of my head...

 

Hitters: A-Rod, Fielder, Braun, Pujols, Miggy Cabrera, David Wright, maybe Chase Utley

Pitchers: Peavy (w/an extension), Johann Santana (w/an extension)

 

[And That]

Basically, the first deal, I don't think the A's would do and the second deal, I don't think the Brewers would do.

[endaround]

What, no Mauer?

[fondybrewfan]

I am not so sure I would trade Gallardo straight up for Miggy

[Diggr14]

There are probably 20-30 players in the MLB you have to seriously look at in a 1 to 1 trade for Gallardo.

Contracts are an issue when it comes to trading, so the number dwindles to about 10 when it concerns the brewers. Ultimately, there is no one available, including Dan Haren whom the Brewers should trade Yovanni Gallardo for. Haren is very close, but makes 4.5 million per more. Another thing to remember is that Yovanni can swing the bat well too.

2 of the guys I'd trade Gallardo for are already on the brewers.

I wouldnt trade Gallardo for Miguel Cabrera (contract/attitude/weight/no range/no glove). He's a player dont get me wrong, but that's a 20M price tag on a player with a lot of negatives (ala Manny).

If we could get Haren for guys like Gamel + Escobar + Villenueva (guys that are somewhat blocked anyhow... that would be great) + Hall or Capuano.

[Oldcity]

I am not so sure I would trade Gallardo straight up for Miggy

Gallardo is great. But he's a 21 year old pitcher. The injury risk there is huge. Cabrera is a dominant hitter. Straight up, you have to make that deal. Of course the Marlins wouldn't take it.

 

[Diggr14]

Stevo,

 

You seriously make that trade knowing the guy is going to make 20M+ over 5+ years?

 

I couldn't do it with the Brewers. Thats 2/7 of the money we would be spending this season, on one guy. Can't do it, not for a guy like Gallardo who "could" be just as valuable as Cabrera next season and he is only 20 years old and costs 1/40 as much as Cabrera will next season.

[DrWood]

Cabrera is a future HOF if he doesn't soon have a debilitating injury or need to have a stomach stapling. You give up a lot for those guys.

[twobrewers]

Cabrera is a future HOF if he doesn't soon have a debilitating injury or need to have a stomach stapling. You give up a lot for those guys.

You give up alot if you are the Yankees, Dodgers, Red Sox, Angels or Mets. Florida has to get rid of him because he is too expensive. To a lesser extent the same holds true for the Brewers. We can't really afford to pay him 5 years/100 million.

 

We have to keep players like Yovanni and hope that they turn out to be as valuable.

 

If you are talking talent alone - of course I would trade Yovanni for Cabrera. Cabrera is a proven commodity. Gallardo isn't. Unfortunately, very few decisions can be made without regards to economics.

[Oldcity]

Stevo,

 

You seriously make that trade knowing the guy is going to make 20M+ over 5+ years?

 

I couldn't do it with the Brewers. Thats 2/7 of the money we would be spending this season, on one guy. Can't do it, not for a guy like Gallardo who "could" be just as valuable as Cabrera next season and he is only 20 years old and costs 1/40 as much as Cabrera will next season.

Well that's a good point, but what I was really trying to say is that an established star hitter has a lot more value than a very young star pitcher. Any established star does for that matter. That's why I'd trade Yo for Haren, for example.

 

[Ennder]

Haren was good in the first half last year but his ERA was luck driven as well, he was pretty terrible in the second half. Don't get me wrong, I like Haren for sure but I don't feel he is a top 5 pitcher either.