It's getting old

[homer]

As long as we're on an 'its' old theme'...

 

Can we just make a Haudricourt venting thread? Every time someone quotes his blog or an article someone else has to chime in with a lame nickname or reason why he sucks. It's really getting annoying.

[colbyjack]

FTJ this guy has a problem with you, and how you post negative things about him. I think he might want to throw down with you.

 

I personally don't have much of a problem with some of the posts that have been referred to, fully recognizing that it is the offseason with so little news to actually talk about (even though I do agree that far too many threads always seem to take an odd anti-Yost/Melvin turn lately). However, the quote I provided in italics from above is just unfairly piling on.

[Fatter than Joey]

I'm certain Jason was joking.

[colbyjack]

I know Jason was joking. I meant that he was unfairly piling on to the poster who started this thread.

[TooLiveBrew]

I haven't seen posts that make Braun look silly or anything like that. That is the difference here.

 

Great thread, JJ. I like the way you're tackling this frustrating topic. This (quoted) line stood out to me. The main reason why I feel the two situations are different is that Braun is realistic, & down to earth about his defensive struggles in 2007 (& beyond, perhaps). He didn't drop any 'I'm the third baseman, I'm a good fielder' or 'Fielding percentage is on my side' or 'why don't you come down here & play 3B from a couch' nuggets on us, though.

 

The biggest beef I have with Yost (aside from what I feel to be some really poor decisions) is his arrogance about it all. Merely as an example, since obviously we all don't feel the same way... he makes a bad call/substitution, then snaps at the mention of another, perhaps much more sensible choice, by suggesting that anyone that'd not have done what he did is merely a 20/20-hindsight moron and cherry-picker.

 

That's what really gets me about Ned. Not that he makes mistakes (arrrrgh! I'd be a liar to say they don't drive me crazy), but that he really doesn't admit them, or appear to learn from them, except mentioning in passing that, 'maybe I'll use Cordero some in the 8th if we need it.' I sincerely didn't type anything here to start a Nedebate - just to try to provide some perspective from the 'other side.' http://forum.brewerfan.net/images/smilies/smile.gif

[Fatter than Joey]

I know Jason was joking. I meant that he was unfairly piling on to the poster who started this thread.

 

My bad

[jason21nl]

I know Jason was joking. I meant that he was unfairly piling on to the poster who started this thread.

I wasn't at all. I thought it was funny, and I thought that FTJ would think its funny. Heres what I think. People are going to agree and disagree with things people say in posts all the time. People rarely agree with what I have to say. JJ is the first person to say he doesn't like pics in posts, that I can think of. I wasn't trying to pile on, only to say that Yost probably would have a problem with FTJ. I in no way was trying to pile on, maybe I picked the wrong thread to put it in..I still think its funny though.

 

[colbyjack]

Jason, it's clear that you and FTJ would find it funny, but you were clearly taking a shot at JJHardy's subject matter, that's where the piling on comment of mine comes from.

 

Absolutely people are going to agree and disagree with what people are going to say, but again, you don't have to rub it in the guy's face. And just because JJ is the first person to say what he did doesn't mean he's the only one thinking it. Brian, this site's founder, even stepped up and agreed with him, yet still no one seemed to take the point seriously.

 

Again, I don't have a problem with joking around and adding pics to posts, as that does help lighten up an otherwise long and boring offseason, but it does get a little overwhelming when people constantly bring up their own anti-Yost/Melvin agenda into each and every topic.

[JJHardy7]

I think coming back with how Ned is important to the club and relates to everything doesn't make it necessary for posters to continually put up pictures of Ned or rip on him.

 

This is overstated. Very rarely do you see pictures of Ned in threads making fun of him. I think that was the first picture of Yost I posted.

 

I'd refer to the thread that had the couches in it. They weren't necessarily pictures of Yost, but were again making fun of him and there were posts in there by other members that didn't exactly like it and I believe there was a post regarding why long-timers don't post here anymore. I'm not insisting on anything to change, but like I said the Yost bashing (and if it's not Yost bashing I don't know what would be) just gets old IMO. Maybe make a thread that consists of only Yost bashing.

[bjkrautk]

I think coming back with how Ned is important to the club and relates to everything doesn't make it necessary for posters to continually put up pictures of Ned or rip on him.

 

This is overstated. Very rarely do you see pictures of Ned in threads making fun of him. I think that was the first picture of Yost I posted.

 

I'd refer to the thread that had the couches in it. They weren't necessarily pictures of Yost, but were again making fun of him and there were posts in there by other members that didn't exactly like it and I believe there was a post regarding why long-timers don't post here anymore. I'm not insisting on anything to change, but like I said the Yost bashing (and if it's not Yost bashing I don't know what would be) just gets old IMO. Maybe make a thread that consists of only Yost bashing.

 

I didn't post in either thread (until now), but the 'guy on couch' discussion was the first thing I thought of when I read this thread.

 

If you want to make substantitive criticisms of Ned Yost & Doug Melvin....I don't think anyone here is going to have a problem with it. They might disagree, but hopefully they'll say something substantive in return, which leads to constructive discussion.

 

It's the attempts to write B-roll material for the Daily Show that is aggravating; the bits that are only funny because the audience is pre-disposed to agree with it. It doesn't persuade anyone, and only serves to widen the gap between opposing viewpoints.

[Fatter than Joey]

Brian, this site's founder, even stepped up and agreed with him, yet still no one seemed to take the point seriously.

 

That was hard to do since he posted the picture of Baker, opening this can of worms, and then in another thread posted a picture of Marge Schott essentially calling her red goo. Both hilarious, but I would have thought it would be obvious why Brian wasn't taken terribly seriously, as he is sort of riding both ponies here. From my perspective -- I think Brian is very funny, and quite frankly, I am impressed with his ability to make this a fun site.

 

it does get a little overwhelming when people constantly bring up their own anti-Yost/Melvin agenda into each and every topic.

 

This is just not happening. Right now the only news is things that Melvin does/doesn't do -- I take issue with calling anything in these threads "agendas". Obviously if DM trades Bill Hall for Jeff Francouer -- there are going to be people for and against it. Heck, DM himself, said Yost is on a "short leash" -- The concept that Ned is on thin ice or may be fired is hardly agenda-material.

 

I'd refer to the thread that had the couches in it. They weren't necessarily pictures of Yost, but were again making fun of him

 

No. More correctly they were making fun of something he said. That is 100% fair game. I would agree that making fun of a person's appearance, can be in poor taste, however, Ned made a stupid statement, which I assume he has some control over, which rubbed a lot of people here the wrong way. Frankly I thought the couch thing was fresh and a different light approach, rather than discussing how poorly Ned handles himself in the media.

 

I believe there was a post regarding why long-timers don't post here anymore.

 

Yeah -- I suppose you can't make everyone happy, that's unfortunate, but at the end of the day, -- so what. I know I got very upset with how a moderator was handling himself with other posters, and I made a similar statement about being done here -- and I regret doing so. It was very self-centered of me to assume that I was somehow punishing the site by no longer contributing to it anymore -- very immature on my part. Outside of the guy who pays the bills, this site is much bigger than any one person, and perhaps any one person's displeasures should be more accurately assessed against the wide group of posters here.

 

I said the Yost bashing (and if it's not Yost bashing I don't know what would be) just gets old IMO

 

I think 90-95% of what you consider bashing is either critique or done in a light sort of way.

 

Maybe make a thread that consists of only Yost bashing.

 

Or perhaps you could just gloss over what doesn't appeal to you.

[Fatter than Joey]

It's the attempts to write B-roll material for the Daily Show that is aggravating; the bits that are only funny because the audience is pre-disposed to agree with it.

 

If we are being honest most of what is written on this site, is not publishable, or wouldn't have an audience outside of BFnet or Brewer related sites -- Certainly some are better at things than others -- but really most of what is written here serious or not serious is "B-roll".

 

It doesn't persuade anyone, and only serves to widen the gap between opposing viewpoints.

 

The couch thread wasn't intended to persuade anyone I am pretty sure, and it died out rather quickly -- again pretty easy to gloss over.

[And That]

If we are being honest most of what is written on this site, is not publishable, or wouldn't have an audience outside of BFnet or Brewer related sites

So you're saying that Brian's recent registration of brewermensafan.net was a faux pas? I'm all verklempt!

[colbyjack]

That was hard to do since he posted the picture of Baker, opening this can of worms, and then in another thread posted a picture of Marge Schott essentially calling her red goo. Both hilarious, but I would have thought it would be obvious why Brian wasn't taken terribly seriously, as he is sort of riding both ponies here. From my perspective -- I think Brian is very funny, and quite frankly, I am impressed with his ability to make this a fun site.

 

Once again, my response isn't to a specific thread, I thought I made that clear above. I was merely pointing out that far too many threads, in my opinion, seem to have some inclusion of a Yost/Melvin gripe, and often the discussion will follow that direciton, which I think is unfortunate.

 

FTJ, I wasn't even singling you out (and honestly you weren't even one of the posters I thought of when this topic was brought up), yet you seem to be taking this very personally in your defensive stance to my comments. It doesn't even bother me that much, I was just showing support to the original point and poster that obviously stuck his neck out on the line to bring up what is apparently an unpopular opinion.

 

And then you counter with this:

 

Or perhaps you could just gloss over what doesn't appeal to you.

 

So instead of commenting on what a few of us think is a recurring, annoying trend we should shut up, keep our thoughts to ourselves and look the other way? That's just an odd comment because if everyone did what you're suggesting no one would ever express a difference in opinion. If you would like me to do that you are basically asking me to leave.

[Fatter than Joey]

I was merely pointing out that far too many threads, in my opinion, seem to have some inclusion of a Yost/Melvin gripe, and often the discussion will follow that direction, which I think is unfortunate.

 

Fair enough, I was trying to make a distinction between "Ned gripe" and "Ned bashing" -- Unfortunately I think just about any news we get about the Brewers, this time of season is going to include Melvin, and there is going to be praise/gripes -- but that shouldn't be necessarily construed as "bashing".

 

FTJ, I wasn't even singling you out (and honestly you weren't even one of the posters I thought of when this topic was brought up), yet you seem to be taking this very personally in your defensive stance to my comments.

 

I am just trying to discuss the other point of view -- I guess I didn't like Brian and myself (and others) being labeled as "middle school humor" when I think it was clear that people were just having fun -- I feel like the POV that those pictures (or the couch ones) is "bashing" is quite extreme.

 

I do apologize though for being more defensive than I need to be.

 

So instead of commenting on what a few of us think is a recurring, annoying trend we should shut up, keep our thoughts to ourselves and look the other way? That's just an odd comment because if everyone did what you're suggesting no one would ever express a difference in opinion. If you would like me to do that you are basically asking me to leave.

 

That's a bit of a reach. I do think that there is a lot of wisdom of glossing over things that bother you though -- I guess I fail to equate an irritant with an opinion. It's sort of like the guy who comes to your party and complains about the beer you are serving. There has to be some sort of concession with a large group of people that the party can't suit everyone's needs to a T. I have offered up the recommendation at least twice of contacting me privately if I post something that is objectionable, I think that is a better middle ground that public beefs, or people leaving.

 

I have no problems with JJ's opinion and I can certainly respect and comply with his concerns -- however I felt it was entirely overstated and disproportional to what is happening in all actuality, and presented more sandpapery than any of the pictures were.

[Katuluu]

Gloss over this FTJ! Woooo! http://forum.brewerfan.net/images/smilies/wink.gif

 

http://www.dawgpoundmike.com/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/webassets/stillerfans2.jpg

[Fatter than Joey]

Right in the breadbox -- oof...

 

The scary thing is, I had to make sure that wasn't me (I don't wear watches).

[colbyjack]

So, now you're saying you don't like the beer I serve at my parties? What's wrong with Old Mil?

[Fatter than Joey]

So, now you're saying you don't like the beer I serve at my parties? What's wrong with Old Mil?

 

No I am saying JJ would not like the beer and complain about it -- I would not like it and say nothing, but I would smell up your bathroom

 

(Just Kidding, except the bathroom part).

[JJHardy7]

I am just trying to discuss the other point of view -- I guess I didn't like Brian and myself (and others) being labeled as "middle school humor" when I think it was clear that people were just having fun -- I feel like the POV that those pictures (or the couch ones) is "bashing" is quite extreme.

 

I know I may be in the minority of this (which is fine), but what exactly are the pictures that make Ned look silly exactly do? If it's not bashing, what is it? I don't think calling it bashing is extreme unless you think the pictures shed good light on him. I just think it's annoying to be honest to see things that really don't involve pictures of Ned up in threads. I'm not going to PM posters who do it because it's a bigger community than a person or two and if it's posted and continues that's just the way it is.

[Thurston Fluff]

So, now you're saying you don't like the beer I serve at my parties? What's wrong with Old Mil?

 

Laugh at old mil all you want they generally do very well in blind beer tests. What I remember most about Old Mil, other than it was what everybody drank in college, was my grandpa used to keep it in the basement and drank it room tempurature. To quote Mr baseball...Niiccce.

[Fatter than Joey]

I know I may be in the minority of this (which is fine), but what exactly are the pictures that make Ned look silly exactly do?

 

I post pictures of Ned to make his grandchildren weep. That's how I roll.

[TooLiveBrew]

This thread is pwesome. Katuluu's pic made me giggle like a schoolgirl.

 

I really think the discussion here is good, and more relevant each day we move closer to the 2008 season. I definitely am not a Yost fan, and I can agree that some people take it too far. I fall with FtJ on the couch thread - I thought it was just light and non-offensive/grating. Oh well.

 

I'll do my best moving forward to not take things to far, not that I am or am not counted as one who needs to 'tone it down' re. Ned. I have legitimate gripes about him, though, and feel as though they may be washed out - or at least watered down- with all this. I get tired of hearing about how the players 'play hard for Ned' and how he's 'a great clubhouse guy,' but I guess that's different from what JJ's sayin'.

 

This thread should be mandatory reading for this site.

[Fatter than Joey]

This thread is pwesome. Katuluu's pic made me giggle like a schoolgirl.

 

I showed it to my wife and she said "That sort of looks like you when you were skinny"

 

Double oof.

[And That]

http://images.yuku.com/image/jpeg/c561574691de952c2f2d9e7c60d32ab901b9aef.jpg

 

Et tu, Katuluu?