Cordero to Reds; 4 years, $46 million

[JJHardy7]

Once again, I love how the pictures in this post make this discussion less worthwhile. This really is not helping the discussion and the pics of Baker and Yost aren't needed here at all. Here is the middle school humor striking again. I don't think we need to try and make players/coaches look like fools (because we all know we're all perfect and photogenic). This is really not called for in my opinion. This has nothing to do with the subject.

 

If that's the post of the year, I'm guessing what actually happens on the baseball field has no impact to those who post here.

[sbrylski]

...and if you'd rather have Baker than Yost and Svuem, you're nuts anyway.

[TerraceReserved]

JJHardy7,

 

You're definitely open to your opinion of the pictures, but its all just meant in good fun. There's no harm in getting a laugh out of a funny picture of two. I personally don't see what you're so offended about.

[JJHardy7]

...and if you'd rather have Baker than Yost and Svuem, you're nuts anyway.

 

This is another example. I don't see where this has merits. I'm not saying the pictures aren't funny, but they have nothing to do with Cordero. This makes this thread way too long and has nothing to do with the subject. The pics are funny, but have no purpose here IMO. Maybe in a Dusty vs. Yost thread, but last I checked this thread was about Cordero signing with the Reds...not funny pictures.

 

I think I have a good understanding of baseball, but I really enjoy hearing others and their thoughts on this signing by the Reds, what the Brewers might do, etc. How often does Ned have to be ripped on in so many posts not about him? This has gotten very old.

[Fatter than Joey]

Here is the middle school humor striking again.

 

Hardly.

 

What you had the privilege to witness, was a communication flowing from a stream of consciousness, from two of the higher lifeforms on this messageboard, Automator and Blazer25 -- who used me as a vessel (while I was napping nonetheless) to respond to his intellectual equal.

 

You have to understand, that while communication with words, serves the rest of us effectively, Blazer and BtA are able to process data so much faster than the rest of us, that pictorial communication is simply the most efficient means for them to share their ideas.

 

Please be assured that their communication was in no way shape or form sophomoric.

 

If you tried to interpret their communication -- It would look something like this:

 

Prologue

 

FtJ knuckle-drags the idea into the thread that the Reds are as close to the WS as the Brewers

 

Act I

 

BtA: FtJ must have failed to consider the fact that the Reds are now being managed by Dusty Baker, he is a subpar manager.

Blazer25: No he knows that, he just thinks Yost is better at sleeping than managing. Unless Yost was managing a team of professional sleepers.

BtA: Well FtJ does the best with what evolution has blessed him with.

Blazer25: Evolution is a very flawed process. Did you know Dale Sveum wore his prom suit for his class pictures?

BtA: Wow -- That's a delightful thought. Bychance do you have a photo that I can hang in my cubicle to amuse my coworkers.

Blazer25: I will submit a photo digitally encoded in such a manner that we will be able to share it electronically.

BtA: Splendid.

 

Act II

 

BtA: Blazer, did you know AQUA is reuniting in 2008, and rereleasing a lot of their material.

Blazer25: I am thoroughly enthused to learn this. Is Claus Norreen going to be included?

BtA: Yes. AQUA would not feel it dignified to reunite without Claus Norreen

Blazer25: Splendid. Are they going to include songs from their Joyspeed effort?

BtA: Joyspeed was way ahead of its time in 1989 -- unfortunately, that still remains the case.

Blazer25: It will be our burden to be the only ones that appreciate AQUA on the level that it was intended for.

BtA: Alas, you are correct.

Blazer25: I need to terminate communication -- FtJ is waking up and will want to watch Jeff Foxworthy clips on Youtube.

BtA: Communication terminated.

 

Epilogue

 

Sam calls FtJ nuts, but finds out that the world is a round place, and discovers FtJ's fantasy FB team is Belechicking his Bluejays this weekend.

[molitor fan]

I am still hoping against hope that the Brewers can swing a deal for a cheaper closer such as Soria....I also wish that Sarfate was still in the system.

[Team Canada]

But if you really have any interest in going back to your team, you actually tell them what you've been offered, not cloud it with secrecy. Cordero had no interest in letting Milwaukee match that offer.

With the Reds knowing Cordero's earlier comments about being happy in Milwaukee, it'd be no surprise to find out that Cordero and Stringfellow had a very small window to accept the Reds' latest (and probably final) offer. Most organizations don't want to be played, one offer against another, and with the Reds not being rumored to be in the Cordero mix until the end, this was probably the case. Meaning that's why the Brewers and Melvin didn't get a chance to match. Pretty common, actually.

Actually, since Melvin said that he asked Stringbean (that has to be the origin of his first name doesn't it?) if he was within a million or two, we know that they DID have the chance to ask Milwaukee to match, and they DID NOT. So I agree with Peavey.

[ILuvDaBush]

I say we make Benny our closer and then after he plays this entire season healthy, we offer him Cordero's deal. As I always say in poker, "What's the Worst that could Happen?".

[logan82]

Making any starter into a reliever greatly limits his value. The only reason you make a guy into a reliever is if you don't have any spots in your rotation or the guy can't develope a solid 3rd pitch.

[Weirdos19]

Making any starter into a reliever greatly limits his value. The only reason you make a guy into a reliever is if you don't have any spots in your rotation or the guy can't develope a solid 3rd pitch.

 

Or you could be like the Braves (Smoltz) and Phillies (Myers) and use a solid starter as a closer and make the playoffs.

[TheMCG]

I say we make Benny our closer and then after he plays this entire season healthy, we offer him Cordero's deal. As I always say in poker, "What's the Worst that could Happen?".

You're not very successful in poker, are you?

[And That]

Moving Sheets to the closer's role has been discussed a number of times on the forum, and from what I gather the consensus is that Sheets' long warm-up period that makes him much less effective in the first inning of games he starts would negate his ability to become a relief pitcher.

 

If we turn any of the starters into a closer, I'd go for Dave Bush.

[logan82]

Or you could be like the Braves (Smoltz) and Phillies (Myers) and use a solid starter as a closer and make the playoffs.

Those guys were moved to the pen because they were either injured or were horrible as staters. Smoltz missed the entier 2000 season with an arm injury. It made sense to move him to the pen for a while. Of course he was eventually moved back to bieng a starter. You just don't move guys without having a very good reason.

[JJHardy7]

Here is the middle school humor striking again.

 

Hardly.

 

What you had the privilege to witness, was a communication flowing from a stream of consciousness, from two of the higher lifeforms on this messageboard, Automator and Blazer25 -- who used me as a vessel (while I was napping nonetheless) to respond to his intellectual equal.

 

You have to understand, that while communication with words, serves the rest of us effectively, Blazer and BtA are able to process data so much faster than the rest of us, that pictorial communication is simply the most efficient means for them to share their ideas.

 

Please be assured that their communication was in no way shape or form sophomoric.

 

If you tried to interpret their communication -- It would look something like this:

 

Prologue

 

FtJ knuckle-drags the idea into the thread that the Reds are as close to the WS as the Brewers

 

Act I

 

BtA: FtJ must have failed to consider the fact that the Reds are now being managed by Dusty Baker, he is a subpar manager.

Blazer25: No he knows that, he just thinks Yost is better at sleeping than managing. Unless Yost was managing a team of professional sleepers.

BtA: Well FtJ does the best with what evolution has blessed him with.

Blazer25: Evolution is a very flawed process. Did you know Dale Sveum wore his prom suit for his class pictures?

BtA: Wow -- That's a delightful thought. Bychance do you have a photo that I can hang in my cubicle to amuse my coworkers.

Blazer25: I will submit a photo digitally encoded in such a manner that we will be able to share it electronically.

BtA: Splendid.

 

Act II

 

BtA: Blazer, did you know AQUA is reuniting in 2008, and rereleasing a lot of their material.

Blazer25: I am thoroughly enthused to learn this. Is Claus Norreen going to be included?

BtA: Yes. AQUA would not feel it dignified to reunite without Claus Norreen

Blazer25: Splendid. Are they going to include songs from their Joyspeed effort?

BtA: Joyspeed was way ahead of its time in 1989 -- unfortunately, that still remains the case.

Blazer25: It will be our burden to be the only ones that appreciate AQUA on the level that it was intended for.

BtA: Alas, you are correct.

Blazer25: I need to terminate communication -- FtJ is waking up and will want to watch Jeff Foxworthy clips on Youtube.

BtA: Communication terminated.

 

Epilogue

 

Sam calls FtJ nuts, but finds out that the world is a round place, and discovers FtJ's fantasy FB team is Belechicking his Bluejays this weekend.

 

I love this site, so I'm not going to bash it by any means -- or rip on it, but how is this allowed to happen? Because certain posters have so many posts? This is seriously becoming a joke. I really don't think there is a need to waste bandwidth on this and other discussions have been locked. How has this not been locked? This isn't informative and quite frankly makes this site look poor IMO. Am I the only one who thinks this? Or should I just post some bad picture of Ned Yost because that's what this thread is about.

[twobrewers]

If we turn any of the starters into a closer, I'd go for Dave Bush.

Villanueva?

[And That]

I tend to view Villanueva's upside higher than Bush's. So I'd rather get 200 innings from him and 60 or 70 from Dave, than vice versa.

[Weirdos19]

I'm not saying I advocate this, it's just not unprecedented.

 

I say Manny Parra could be a great closer.

[Brian the Automator]

I love this site, so I'm not going to bash it by any means -- or rip on it, but how is this allowed to happen? Because certain posters have so many posts? This is seriously becoming a joke. I really don't think there is a need to waste bandwidth on this and other discussions have been locked. How has this not been locked? This isn't informative and quite frankly makes this site look poor IMO. Am I the only one who thinks this? Or should I just post some bad picture of Ned Yost because that's what this thread is about.

I address this here.

You're right... some of the Yost-hating is getting way out of control to the point of obsession. I like to keep things lighthearted here, but that's affording the ability to allow threads to be hijacked.

 

[tigerbrew]

I'm not saying I advocate this, it's just not unprecedented.

 

I say Manny Parra could be a great closer.

I think Parra has a Billy Wagner type fastball and if he improves his control and his slider, the Brewers might possibly have a young Billy Wagner at a fraction of the cost... If the Brewers are unable to get a better alternative in the market, it might be worth giving Parra a try at closing and see how it goes.

I think CV has the make-up to be a good closer, good stuff, great confidence in his ability, great mental fortitude and ice cool in high pressure situations. But I think CV pitches better as a starter, and I much prefer him in that role.

 

I've little confidence in Turnbow as the closer as I think he could blow a lot more saves than Coco. Even though he has great stuff, Turnbow doesn't seem to have enough mental fortitude and confidence in his ability. He's prone to inconsistency, nervousness, wildness and meltdowns, he's too unpredictable.

[aracko]

With Parras arm troubles, I would think putting him in a position where a rubber arm is necessary (think of how much coco was used - I wouldnt be surprised if his arm falls off in the near future) I dont know that this is a good place to put Parra, but I do agree that he would have lights out potential.

 

I really believe that the answer to the closer position is already on the roster. I have voiced my opinion that Vargas could be the answer but I have gotten good arguments against it as well, and while I disagree, I do believe Vargas is a long shot. I think the answer might be Mota. Before COCO came to Milwaukee he wasnt the dominating guy that he has been here. Maybe Melvin is looking for Mota to follow the same path.

[twobrewers]

I tend to view Villanueva's upside higher than Bush's. So I'd rather get 200 innings from him and 60 or 70 from Dave, than vice versa.

I agree. However, Villanueva has a recent history as a relief pitcher. And before his arm wore out - he was fantastic.

 

Bush, while he may not have the upside of Villanueva, is still a solid starter.

 

Parra's arm history would worry me as well. He still needs to be "babied" for at least 1/2 a season in my opinion.

[RyDogg66]

Im pretty sure Bush was a closer in college (for Wake Forest?) while Villy was stuck in the bullpen because there was no place else to put him.

 

I am all for trying Bush out as closer and signing a setup guy like Riske.

[davego]

I like the idea of letting Dave close. For the most part, I think he could hold the fort. Certainly could do it at a much more affordable rate.

[JJHardy7]

I wonder if Bush were to close if we'd see an increase in velocity and if so how much. Bush does seem to have bad innings, but I wouldn't mind giving him a chance. If it works, it helps narrow down the rotation spots and who needs to be traded.

[Team Canada]

I think Parra has a Billy Wagner type fastball .

 

Parra can throw 100mph?