Hall for Nathan?

[twobrewers]

Corey Hart is untouchable.

1 year of Nathan < 4 years of Bill Hall

I am really leaning towards signing a Dotel/Gagne type and hoping for the best.

Some say you can't win without a quality closer. I don't think you can win with Gwynn playing CF for Bill Hall.

[davego]

I'm with twobrewers on this one.

[Gone]

It will be surprising if the Twins don't trade closer Joe Nathan, perhaps to the Milwaukee Brewers, in the coming weeks.

St. Paul Pioneer Press

 

http://www.fannation.com/truth_and_rumors/mlb#

[splitterpfj]

I saw that too, Gone, but there's absolutely no detail there, just one man's opinion.

 

I'm all for adding Nathan, but I think it will be tricky to find a deal. Either Nathan has to agree to a new contract, or the Twins have to sell a bit on the cheap. There's no reason for MN to do that, they could just deal him to a contender in July.

 

It's obvious that Nathan would get at least what Cordero just got if he was a FA, I wonder if he'd even consider signing a new deal as part of a trade right now.

[Brian the Automator]

1 year of Nathan

To me:

1 year of Nathan + 2 High 2008 Draft picks + 14M = 4 years of Hall + unknown draft compensation

[And That]

Charlie Walters, the author of that "rumor" is a bag of hot air - he's more or less the paper version of a blogger. That said, offer the Twins Gwynn, Gamel and Capuano, and see what happens.

[chinabob99]

1 year of Nathan < 4 years of Bill Hall

To me:

1 year of Nathan + 2 High 2008 Draft picks + 14M = 4 years of Hall + unknown draft compensation

 

Not that I wouldn't love Nathan, but there is no guarantee with the quality of the draft picks we'd get. Chances are some team with a top-15 pick would snag him and we'd be stuck with a sandwich pick and a 2nd rounder.

[splitterpfj]

we'd be stuck with a sandwich pick and a 2nd rounder.

 

The thing is, that should still net you two very solid prospects - Gallardo and Hardy were both second round picks, for example.

 

What if the Twins offered Nathan, and two decent prospects for Hall? If you're in favor of a Hall for Nathan swap, that's the thought behind it.

 

This doesn't feel like the kind of deal the Twins typically make, they love to add multiple young players. It seems to me that they may just take the draft picks next year themselves, if they can't find a match right now.

[And That]

It just occurred to me that the Twins might be very interested in Luis Pena also. Perhaps Gwynn, Capuano and Pena for Nathan?

[tigerbrew]

Yeah, I'm keen to get Nathan too, with or without the extension. Hopefully an offer of Capuano, Wise and Gwynn could do the trick.

[sbrylski]

I'd think Capuano+Gwynn would be enough, if they are interested in those players. Don't underestimate our SP trade value's.

[shelmark]

In my initial post starting this thread I indicated that Nathan was a young stud. I just want to correct myself. Nathan is a stud but hardly young; he will turn 33 shortly. He is actually older than Cordero. Not sure how that affects peoples thoughts on him. Although he had a serious arm injury he doesn't seem to have a lot of miles on him for his age. I still think Melvin has no intention of trading for anyone. I would bet on several FA guys with great arms and questionable health and history.

[TooLiveBrew]

If we're talking about SP trade value, I'd rather go after Fuentes from Colorado. Nathan is obviously a nice, nice hurler - but I don't know that he'd be able to pass up the chance to cash in on this current 'spend first, ask questions later' baseball economy. I don't think I'd be able to do so. I don't know if I want to give up a lot just to get one year + some decent draft picks. I don't want to have to address the same problem again after 2008, perhaps having to deal away another valuable player to fill the same hole.

[And That]

If we're talking about SP trade value, I'd rather go after Fuentes from Colorado. Nathan is obviously a nice, nice hurler - but I don't know that he'd be able to pass up the chance to cash in on this current 'spend first, ask questions later' baseball economy.

Fuentes is a free agent after the season, too. If he has a great year, he's due for quite a contract as well. Maybe not as big as Nathan's, but it is something to take into account.

 

[Weirdos19]

But you could still trade for Nathan and sign Fuentes after the season is over. Nathan would obviously be an A free agent, Fuentes is a question mark.

 

Maybe this whole Santana to the Yankees thing will include the Crew.

 

Example:

 

Yankees get Santana, Sheets

 

Brewers get Nathan, Melky, One of the Twins young starters (Garza, Baker, Slowey, Bonzer)

 

Twins get Hall, Alcedis Escobar, Joba Chamberlain, Cano

 

 

Don't crucify, just grasping at straws.

[MNBrew]

Would anyone be inclined at all at

 

 

Bill Hall

Chris Capuano / Dave Bush (They do need pitching dont they, especially if Santana leaves)

A mid level prospect

 

for

 

Joe Nathan (with an extension)

Pat Neshek or Matt Guerrier

Mike Redmond (Backup catcher)

 

Is that fair? Or would they be no hopes of signing Nathan to an extension because he will ask for more than Cordero did?

Anyone inclined? Yes. Not one of them would be fans or employees of the Twins, though.

Hall, maybe Vargas (or possibly but hopefully not Bush or Capuano), & Gamel

 

might net

 

Nathan & a AAA arm

Neshek or Guerrier aren't going anywhere, and especially not if Nathan is traded. Redmond is as valuable as a starter with Mauer's injury history + Redmond's bat and intangibles, which are considerable.

[Brian the Automator]

Not that I wouldn't love Nathan, but there is no guarantee with the quality of the draft picks we'd get. Chances are some team with a top-15 pick would snag him and we'd be stuck with a sandwich pick and a 2nd rounder.

I'd be happy to be "stuck" with the 2nd rounder and addition to the sandwich pick... Regardless, you're getting some real value for him walking away.

 

[trwi7]

But you could still trade for Nathan and sign Fuentes after the season is over. Nathan would obviously be an A free agent, Fuentes is a question mark.

 

Maybe this whole Santana to the Yankees thing will include the Crew.

 

Example:

 

Yankees get Santana, Sheets

 

Brewers get Nathan, Melky, One of the Twins young starters (Garza, Baker, Slowey, Bonzer)

 

Twins get Hall, Alcedis Escobar, Joba Chamberlain, Cano

 

 

Don't crucify, just grasping at straws.

 

The Yankees get two very good starters (although both are free agents to be and one is injury prone but it's not like they don't have money) and all they have to give up is Cano, Chamberlain and Melky Cabrera? They get way too good of a deal.

 

I like it for the Brewers.

 

Twins wouldn't like it at least imo. They trade one of their young starters for a young starter and then Hall, Escobar and Cano for Santana. I think they'd pass.

[TCSM]

yes Nathan is a good closer but is he worth giving up a lot for? I personally would say no to Hall for Nathan straight up. Instead of having a hole in LF we now have LF and CF. Also, Nathan pitches ONE inning here and there. I defiantly don't think its worth Hall by any means, maybe start out with gywnn and go from there.

[twobrewers]

I'd be happy to be "stuck" with the 2nd rounder and addition to the sandwich pick... Regardless, you're getting some real value for him walking away.

For the record Brian - your math was better than mine. Nathan + 2 comp picks + 14 Million = Bill Hall

 

I forgot about the 2 comp picks we would likely aquire should Nathan walk. I would really hate to see Hall go - but that trade makes quite a bit of sense. Of course, that does leave us with a hole in the OF.

[Brian the Automator]

I forgot about the 2 comp picks we would likely aquire should Nathan walk. I would really hate to see Hall go - but that trade makes quite a bit of sense. Of course, that does leave us with a hole in the OF.

It leaves us with 2 holes.... I'd move Hart to CF, and then go out and get a LF and a RF.

 

[erbacaine04]

Nathan is now worth about $13M per for 4-5 years, as he's better than Cordero, and younger.

 

I dont know if any one pointed out or not, BUT Nathan is NOT younger than Cordero Nathan is 33, Coco is 31(maybe 32)....but Nathan on the open Market would command 13 million a year easy... Cordero signed the highest 4 year contract ever for a closer...but Mariano's Contract is the richest closers contract ever at 3 years and 45 million(15 million per)

[erbacaine04]

I'd be happy to be "stuck" with the 2nd rounder and addition to the sandwich pick... Regardless, you're getting some real value for him walking away.

For the record Brian - your math was better than mine. Nathan + 2 comp picks + 14 Million = Bill Hall

 

I forgot about the 2 comp picks we would likely aquire should Nathan walk. I would really hate to see Hall go - but that trade makes quite a bit of sense. Of course, that does leave us with a hole in the OF.

 

I think if we go after a closer and have to send Hall out then we sign a Cameron type player(will miss first 25 games) but we can get by that first month I think....

I would much rather send Gwynn and somebody else but if it has to be Hall then I would think the Brewers look to spend some money on a stop gap for one year or so....to take Hall's spot...

 

2009 OF

Laporta

Cain???

Hart

[splitterpfj]

With Garza out, and Santana on the block, I would think pitching would be on their minds.

[RyDogg66]

But you could still trade for Nathan and sign Fuentes after the season is over. Nathan would obviously be an A free agent, Fuentes is a question mark.

 

Maybe this whole Santana to the Yankees thing will include the Crew.

 

Example:

 

Yankees get Santana, Sheets

 

Brewers get Nathan, Melky, One of the Twins young starters (Garza, Baker, Slowey, Bonzer)

 

Twins get Hall, Alcedis Escobar, Joba Chamberlain, Cano

 

 

Don't crucify, just grasping at straws.

If I am reading this correctly, the Twins are trading Santana, Nathan and a young SP and all they are getting back is Hall, Escobar, Chamberlin and Cano. The Yankees probably couldnt get Santana for Cano, Joba and Melky, but in this deal they get him AND Sheets. I know you are grasping at straws and all, but there is just way too much going on here.