Hall for Nathan?

[shelmark]

If we lose Cordero, could this work? I don't know all the contract ramifications of if 1 for 1 would be fair, but it seems Nathan is a young stud that we could build around. Possibly deal Sheets for an OF and another reliever as well.

[Katuluu]

I'm not sure but wouldn't be suprised if Nathan has a limited no-trade clause. I'd also assume the Brewers would only do it if they can get him to sign an extension. All that being said my guess is we would have to include more then Hall to get Nathan. Capuano would actually be a pretty solid fit for them, so I could see him being included as well.

[brewers255]

It would take a lot more to get Nathan in my opinion. Hall and Turnbow and Gamel would be the deal they would want.

[dadofandrew]

I agree with 255. I'm not sure if they'd want Hall, and I know they'd prefer a couple 0-3 guys and/or a prospect.

[shelmark]

I thought that Hall's contract might be agreeable to the Twins, and having lost Hunter they could use a bat. Nathan is frustrated that they have not given him an offer, and he said flat out he has one more year with the Twins.

[endaround]

1/2 a season of Lee gets 1.5 seasons of Cordero. 4 seasons of Hall gets 1 season of Nathan?

[twobrewers]

Hall and Turnbow and Gamel would be the deal they would want.

That is a lot to give up for 1 year of Nathan.

 

Hall alone is too much in my opinion.

 

And like it or not, Turnbow is a very effective pitcher at times. I have no problem having him as our set-up man this year again. Assuming he doesn't come into games with runners on.

[strawbossisevil]

We trade Hall, we create a hole in our outfield, a place that already has a hole. I really don't understand why he's constantly referred to as trade bait. That, and he had a down year last year, so trading him this offseason would be trading low.

[ILuvDaBush]

I'm not advocating a trade of Hall, but if we did trade for Nathan, I would be wholeheartedly behind a decision to give him a contract similar to what Coco got on the open market.

[dadofandrew]

Nathan is now worth about $13M per for 4-5 years, as he's better than Cordero, and younger.

[And That]

The Twins would take Hall, Hammond and Gamel for Nathan. Bank it.

[chadomac]

We trade Hall, we create a hole in our outfield, a place that already has a hole. I really don't understand why he's constantly referred to as trade bait. That, and he had a down year last year, so trading him this offseason would be trading low.

I agree. I think people are freaking out because Cordero's gone... but you don't trade Hall. He is poised for a comeback year. It's a safe bet his stats will be somewhere between his 07 and 06 stats and I would be okay with that. Let's just get a solid LFer that can hit.

 

[colbyjack]

Nathan is now worth about $13M per for 4-5 years, as he's better than Cordero, and younger.

 

I think this point is especially telling, as I don't see Melvin making a move for potentially a one-year rental by giving up so many talented young players in the process. I know Toby has pointed out before that a Nathan deal would be contingent on re-signing him to a long-term deal, but do you really think Melvin would be willing to do that with Nathan if he wasn't willing to add another million per year to keep Cordero around and not losing prospects in the process?

 

I see (hope) Melvin targeting someone like Chad Cordero or Brian Fuentes, a player that still has a year or two (or more) of arbitration left that is more likely to keep around for a few years for less money and hopefully equal production.

[DuWayne Steurer]

Just want to add onto Colby's comments.

 

It doesn't really make sense, in the aspect that Melvin just let a guy walk, who he could have offered 4 more million or so over 4 years to get, without the added cost of his starting center fielder and 2 solid prospects.

 

Trading for a guy is fine, and most likely the only plausible solution to adding a true closer to the roster this winter. However, any trade is going to be weighed against just resigning Cordero for a little more than the Reds gave him, minus the cost of any players needed to acquire said closer.

[shelmark]

I'm certainly not freaking out in losing Cordero, I was just suggesting that Nathan may be worth a look due to his age and ability. I'm not really about trading Hall either, but to get you have to give. I actually think we can fill the closer role without a big deal. I think the role is overrated. 1 inning, with a lead no less.

[Team Canada]

do you really think Melvin would be willing to do that with Nathan if he wasn't willing to add another million per year to keep Cordero around and not losing prospects in the process?

 

But cj, DM didn't know that that's all he was short. He just asked if he was within 1-2MM and the agent said no, so he stopped. I'm guessing if he knew how close it was, he would have upped it.

[fallingleaves]

Joe Nathan is one of the premier closers in all of baseball. Seeing that this is his last year under contract, I can't imagine the brewers would be able to afford him even if this trade happened.

[splitterpfj]

There's no telling whether Nathan would sign an extension with Milwaukee or not, he might agree to take what Cordero just got from the Reds, since it's the most money any closer has ever been given. Perhaps he likes his chance to win here, and "settles for" what Cordero got.

 

I haven't heard the Twins say for sure that they'll deal him right now, and I don't know if the Brewers are prepared to go big, both in terms of players and dollars right now to get him. I think the best bet for the Brewers here is the Twins keeping him, and the Brewers pursuing this in July.

[Nader Raider Tim]

Sorry to tired to give link but check out rotoworld.com talking about Nathan might be on way out the door, if Santana is traded.

 

Says the Brewers could (COULD) offer Corey Hart, or a package with Bill Hall.

[Mass Haas]

Ken Rosenthal link, Rotoworld twisted things a bit

The Brewers, facing the defections of both Cordero and Scott Linebrink from their bullpen, would be the most obvious fit for Nathan. However, it is doubtful the Brewers would part with a young talent such as Rickie Weeks, J.J. Hardy or Corey Hart for a one-year rental.

Rotoworld:

The Brewers could offer Corey Hart or a package built around Bill Hall.

Corey Hart has to be strictly off-limits in every sense of the word right now. As much as Prince.

[ILuvDaBush]

Corey Hart is like the round peg that fits in every hole. You need a leadoff hitter, Corey's there. You need a CF, Go ask Corey. Power production. Speed? He's the benchmark. Protection? He's the best defense for walking Prince. But I could see JJ being involved in a deal for Nathan, but I would hope Doug has a deal lined up then because that would be quite the price.

[1e Corbeau]

Agreed that Corey is not a guy I'm trading anytime soon - unless it's a ridiculous offer that betters the time now and for the next four years. One year of Nathan certainly doesn't satisfy those conditions for me.

 

And that I'm one who thinks Hall will bounce back to somewhere between 05/06 & 07 production, I'm not dealing him for a one year closer, no matter how dominant. Hall's departure would create another hole in the OF (whether that be LF, RF, or CF - or 3B) and his contract is too favorable in the current marketplace to "build" something around for a rental. With my current philosophy on the importance, use, and longevity of "closers," I don't think that extending Nathan as a condition of a trade would sway my unwillingness to depart with Hall, and that.

 

 

Interesting - and fun - to have the speculation from national sources, but I don't think anything happens until DM knows who has been offered arby after 12/1. At the meetings, I think the FA RP situation will become clear very quickly, which will probably precipitate some trades, too.

[splitterpfj]

I wouldn't trade Corey Hart for Joe Nathan, even if Nathan was signed to an extension.

[fondybrewfan]

Would anyone be inclined at all at

 

 

Bill Hall

Chris Capuano / Dave Bush (They do need pitching dont they, especially if Santana leaves)

A mid level prospect

 

for

 

Joe Nathan (with an extension)

Pat Neshek or Matt Guerrier

Mike Redmond (Backup catcher)

 

Is that fair? Or would they be no hopes of signing Nathan to an extension because he will ask for more than Cordero did?

[jjfanec]

I dont think there is anyway the twins trade Neshek with Nathan since from all I heard Neshek will replace him at closer. I would love to get Nathan but I am just not sure at what cost. I would be willing to part with hall in some sort of package but what would have to go with him. I think Santana will go before Nathan and then the Twins will know more what they are looking for. I wonder if Gamel would have value to them since 3rd base and Corner outfield are weak spots for them.