Brewers interested in Pedro Feliz

[dadofandrew]

Well, if Tango and I both have him about league average, it must be true!http://forum.brewerfan.net/images/smilies/wink.gif

 

Makes sense though. He's not a 4y/$50M guy to be sure.

 

EDIT: Adding Feliz and Kendall actually makes some sense, as Feliz's low OBP would be kind of canceled out by Kendall's, assuming his OAK 2007 time was a bit of a fluke. Jason has no pop at all, but has always got on at a nice clip, until 2007. Feliz never has, but has HR and doubles pop.

[brettac1]

This is borderline lunacy.

 

I agree on the defense. However, there's no way I want to run out a lineup full of all those low OBP guys - Estrada, Feliz, Hardy (to a slightly lesser extent), Hall, etc.

[reillymcshane]

Worst Catcher in baseball in BA, SLG and OPS (10 qualifiers)? Jason Kendall (as a bonus he had the 2nd worst OPS is all of baseball - 162 qualifiers

Third baseman with the fourth worst BA, worst OBP, 3rd worst OPS (21 qualifiers)? Pedro Feliz

Ah, if only Nick Punto could be had.

[billyhallfan]

Couldn't we just re-sign Graffanino?

 

Tell me you are joking, do you not remember what happened last season?

[trwi7]

Tell me you are joking, do you not remember what happened last season?

 

Graffanino with a torn ACL>>>>>Pedro Feliz

[endaround]

We could just run out Counsell. It really isn't any different than Feliz. The problem with Feliz is that you have to pinch hit for him all the time in big situations (similar to Braun needing to be lifted for defensive purposes). Basically is shortens the bench and makes thing more difficult int eh NL. In teh AL where the bench isn't used as much, Feliz might not be a bad idea with a Wes Helms type on the bench.

[logan82]

I'd rather have Wes Helms back.

You know, I never thought we would find a worse fielder than Helms at 3B, but I guess it is possible.

[bjkrautk]

Why is everyone assuming that his interest in Feliz is as a starter? To me, he looks like a decent option to bring in for the 8th & 9th innings if Braun's defense doesn't solidify....and maybe start 5-10 games at first if Prince needs an occasional day off. (Looking at the splits, he's actually better against righties than lefties, but the 3-year splits are fairly negligible.)

 

I can't imagine that teams are going to be falling over themselves to sign a past-his-peak 3b who doesn't hit well enough now to justify a starting spot. He's a decent enough bench guy, and a good insurance policy if Braun's defense continues to lag.

 

 

...why would Ned be looking for more offense at Catcher, but less offense in the field?

[splitterpfj]

Good points, bjk. One additional note, if the Brewers went with Kendall and Feliz in the starting lineup, with Braun moving to left field - Prince is the only lefty bat in the lineup. They won't do that, either these guys are bench options, or perhaps Hall would be dealt for a lefty centerfielder at the least.

 

It just doesn't seem likely to me that these two guys would both be brought in here to start, Kendall maybe, but Feliz does look like more of a bench option, he's a good guy to use defensively, and he could spell Braun or Fielder occasionally. Some of his fly balls are home runs....at least.

[recte44]

This is a horrible idea. This is a Sal Bando-esque idea. Please, this can't be credible (even though I know it is, the Prince of Darkness generally knows what he's talking about, contrary to popular belief.).

[TheBrewer]

Feliz had 11 errors at 3B in 2007. Feliz had 21 errors at 3B in 2006.

 

Keep in mind that his time was not full time at 3B as he played many other positions. RF, LF, 1B and Catcher. Granted it wasn't alot of innings but nonetheless. Add on another 50 innings at 3B (spent in other positions0, he might have another error or two MAYBE. Not big but nonetheless. In 06 he also played at SS.

 

If he was a total whiz at 3B and he put up a .252/20HR line and like I said total aweseome defense, I'd say yes, ONLY after we exhausted all other outlets of finding a good LF. (Hence Braun would be moving to LF). But after seeing the errors he's made the past few seasons, I don't think he's a total whiz at 3B. Looks more like I'd rather give Braun a chance first and find a good LF in some other form.

[dadofandrew]

Feliz is the best 3B in MLB, per zone rating. Errors means he has range.

[homer]

"Errors means he has range. "

 

What's Braun's range?

[dadofandrew]

Braun's range is weak, which is shown in zone rating. ZR works, just gotta look it up.

[And That]

Errors means he has range

 

Braun's range is weak

I'm not disputing that Feliz is a great defender, but...

 

[TURBO]

again, NO FREAKING THANKS!

 

this is a backwards move if it is made, the guy is crap offensively, and we are planning on using him in our offense at a position that should be offensive minded?

 

awwwwww jeeeeeeeez...

 

say it ain't so.

[mothershipconnection]

Why is everyone assuming that his interest in Feliz is as a starter? To me, he looks like a decent option to bring in for the 8th & 9th innings if Braun's defense doesn't solidify....

 

I'd rather just trot our existing gritty backup out there, if it's just a defensive replacement issue, though.

The problem is that Feliz is good enough to be somebody's starter, so I don't think we'll get him cheaply enough to sign him for the role he'd fit into on this team. The money would probably be much better spent on a decent bullpen arm or platoon OF.

[colbyjack]

I agree that Feliz could be used as a late-inning replacement, and not just at third, but all over the field given his versatility. I don't know though if I see him coming to Milwaukee to be a super-sub.

 

The Brewers interest in third baseman however is rather telling IMO. I think Melvin is currently trying to determine what is the better route to take, improving LF via a stopgap, or making a longer commitment by moving Braun to LF now as opposed to later while filling what would be a void at 3B with no projected long-term help on the way.

[DrWood]

Feliz would be a fine utility guy on a 1-2 year contract.

I have an idea. How about just getting an OF and moving billy back to super sub role. That actually improves the team.

[twobrewers]

I have been giving this a lot of thought, and I have decided that I am 100% on the Pedro Feliz bandwagon.

 

The idea of a Gabe Gross/Kapler platoon in LF scares me to death. I don't think Gross is good enought to start in MLB. And he definately needs a platoon mate. I don't think Kapler is good enough to play in MLB.

 

Of course, the bigger problem is that starting Gross in LF means that Ryan Braun is our 3B. With Ryan likely to regress, and Gross likely to put up lesser numbers than Jenkins - our offense would likely take a step backwards. And our defense would improve only with individual player improvements, which would likely be limited.

 

Case 1 - Gabe Gross starts in LF

Best Case Scenario: Gross platoons with Kapler or Dillon and puts up around a .775 OPS. Braun makes huge improvements at 3B, making him the worst 3B in MLB. (Just not the worst in 100 years) Our defense is still possibly the worst in the league.

Worst Case Scenario: Gross platoons, but Ned lets him hit against too many LHP - frustrating Brewerfan.net on the way to Gross' .725 OPS. Braun makes no real improvements at 3B - and we have the worst defensive infield in baseball. Our pitching staff is exhuasted by year end.

 

Case 2 - Pedro Feliz starts at 3B

Best Case Scenario: Pedro starts the season at 3B. Joe Dillon continues his amazing success at 3B and takes over full-time duty from Pedro after he proves his worth. Joe Dillon puts up a .800 OPS playing most of the season. Pedro still plays to give Dillon the night off. Braun has no problems adjusting to LF defensively, but still regresses some with the bat. Our defense improves significantly - but still below average.

Worst Case Scenario: Pedro Feliz plays 3B the entire season for the Brewers. He puts up a .730 OPS while playing fantastic defense. However, his defense improves our team defense from horrible to slightly above average. Braun is acceptable in LF.

 

If our choices truly come down to starting a Gross platoon in LF or starting Feliz at 3B - I want Feliz.

[StrangeBreww]

wow, I was hoping this was dead in the water. Feliz is a scrub, always has been always will be. He has no business in our plans, much less fans actually thinking he would be a good fit. we don't have to accept these kinds of players any longer, this is a new day. This is the type of player we would have been glad to get in the past because our expectations dictated average. Now we are on the brink of something special and we still have fans that are talking themselves into players like this? I don't understand...

 

these are opinions of course.

[yoshii8]

I wouldn't call Feliz a scrub, he could be an important member of a team as a utility player, and he is a great defensive 3B. However I don't like him as our starting 3b, and think that there are enough options out there so Feliz doesn't have to be the option.

[JohnBriggs12]

If you had to move Braun (which has been discussed ad infinitum), you're better off moving a guy already on the roster (Hall or Dillon) there than Feliz.

 

Offensively, Feliz is Estrada with a lower batting average and more power. On some teams that might have some value but not on a Brewer team that needs to compliment it's big power guys with some on base guys.

[MNBrew]

The Brewers need guys who get on base, not any more power than they already have. They need guys to get clutch hits with RISP. They also need better defense, but not at the expense of a further decline in OBP.

 

Feliz hits for decent power but his OBP is horrible. Other than being a good glove, doesn't seem to be a fit whatsoever for the Brewers. It'd be like adding Marquis Grissom from his Milwaukee years back to the roster, only at a different position. No thanks.

[trwi7]

Feliz? Bleh I'd still rather have Ensberg. Feliz' glove is great but as has been said already we need an OBP guy to get on base for Braun and Prince.