Rolen Trade, Latest: Glaus/Rolen swap (reply #795)

[sheetskout]

I also am in favor of this...

 

Rolen is dominant on both sides of the ball and besides last season has only appeared in less than 100 games once in his career.

 

The money is huge, but it's time for Brewer management to invest in someone and show that they are committed to making a playoff run. The time is now....

[And That]

I agree that Dillon is a lot to give up. But if the Cards for some reason wouldn't do the deal without JoeDilla, he shouldn't be a hangup.

 

Really think this deal could be a boon to ticket sales and the fan base. It is difficult to overestimate the value a name and a player like Scott Rolen could bring to this club. Is this our Reggie White? Kidding, of course.

 

Or am I?

[Madtown Bomber]

Let's not start getting too ahead of ourselves with the Rolen rumors. I still haven't seen anything written by ken Rosenthal on it which would seem odd if he mentioned it on the radio. And it seems like the trades that tend to get made are the ones we don't hear much about. With all that said, if there is something to these rumors, I think Rolen and Capuano will be the main pieces, but who knows what the rest of it will look like. When I read the St. Louis Cardinals Web site, they had the following,

 

So, I don't know if Mench and Gwynn Jr. would make sense. For all we know maybe there ends up being some sort of trade involving Cappy for Duncan.

I kinda need to address this since this is probably directed at me and my credibility. I stand by EVERY post I make. Everyone here can vouge that I never post and hide. It makes no sense for me to make something up when Gammons and Olney are basically saying the same things. You seem to be with it a little, so I am going to remind you what happens on ESPN radio, Fox Radio, or any sports talk show when they have a guest on, they ask questions and the guest answers it. Rosenthal doesn't have to write a story on each individual question. Rosenthal isn't always right, but he atleast has more sources then we do. So if you are skeptical I am sorry but I DO NOT back track one bit.

 

As far as the Rolen deal goes, if both sides are denying they talked then you know they are talking. haha

[MNBrew]

I'm not crazy about giving up Capuano, either, but if that's who it takes to get Rolen, we still have plenty of other arms. The potential/quality quotient may go down a bit after starter #4 compared to before losing Capuano, but Parra has strong potential and neither Bush nor Vargas are TOTAL chopped liver, even if every once in a while they pitched like it.

 

What's Melvin proved to be so good at so much of the time? BUY LOW, SELL HIGH. This would be buying low on Rolen.

 

If it takes selling a little low on Cappy to net Rolen, it still seems smart because, to make the Lowell parallel again, Boston had to give up Hanley Ramirez & others in the deal they got Lowell & Beckett. The Brewers wouldn't be giving up anything near that degree of promise.

[TwinsBrewersWorldSeries]

I'd say, given our financial contraints, that it will be next to impossible to bring in a player of Scott Rolen's Calibur via free agency. I really liked the lineup posted earler with Rolen at 3B and Braun in LF. Rolen is a much better offensive threat than Jenkins, and should add a very good OBP to our lineup.

 

After that trade, we'd still have obvious holes in the bullpen, and a surplus of outfielders. There really is no way BOTH Hall and Mench should be on this team. I'm on a record as not being a big fan of Hall, but if he's in a platoon in CF, or goes back to his "Super Sub" role, i think he'd be very useful to the team. a Braun, Hall/Gross, Hart outfield, with occassionally spelling JJ or Rolen would be ideal.

 

I think Joe Nathan is an outstanding player, but as many have noted, would only be a one year solution. If the Twins (they won't) would trade him straight up for Hall, I'd do it in a heartbeat, but they are going to want pitching as well, and that makes the price too high. Luke Scott would be a decent part-time pickup, but unless we trade Hall AND Mench, i don't see a need there.

 

Another positive of us NOT investing $40 Million in Coco, is that we still have the financial flexibility to make a run at a player like Rolen. As many have noted, the Rolen/Braun combo for 3B/LF would be lightyears ahead of Braun/"Veteran Battler" when compared to Cordero v whoever we have at closer.

[Weirdos19]

Imagine our RH hitting lineup (all but Prince) facing the Cardinals and Capuano?

 

Wow.

[endaround]

One thing that needs to be stressed that even with Rolen's terrible year at the plate last year he was still outstanding in the field. He was second in RZR at .742 just behind Feliz at .747 BP has him at 16 FRAA. So his WARP was 4.1 compared to Braun's 3.9. I'd be more worried about acquiring Rolen if his defense fell off, it doesn't look like it did.

[dpapo]

Nah, I don't doubt you wrote down what you heard. I've done the same myself when trying to recap something I heard on the radio. Just wondering how sure Rosenthal is about the players involved. I've been following baseball long enough and have heard I don't know how many rumors over the years to know how it works. Rosenthal is a name I generally trust. May not always be correct, but I'm sure he has sources which are feeding him the information he puts out.

With it? Ha, I've been feeling sick the past couple days, so I've probably haven't always been with it. http://forum.brewerfan.net/images/smilies/wink.gif I've been on this board long enough, I think almost 5 years now, to know who I generally trust or when I think something may not be on the up and up. Plus, as you mentioned, it's been reported elsewhere. It would be kinda of silly for me to doubt what you wrote after you provided the sources and it's been reported by more than one other source. Anyway, I don't doubt your credibility.

[Paul77]

Any chance someone could photoshop a Brewers hat on Rolen's head shot for an avatar for me?

I'm going to second this request. I get all wiggly thinking about Scott Rolen in a Brewer uniform.

 

Keep in mind I just came in from plowing the snow so the details are not perfect but here ya go....

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v454/ilookback/rollen2.jpg

 

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v454/ilookback/avatar-size.jpg

 

[And That]

That's my new desktop background. Thank you, 20fry.

[Paul77]

No problem.

[trwi7]

Such a happy young chap. I'm glad he's happy in Milwaukee. http://forum.brewerfan.net/images/smilies/wink.gif

[BW23]

Cards fan here...big Rolen fan, but it's time for him to go. I hope they don't eat any salary, and I'd really love him out of the Central. If you get him, you'll appreciate the defense like you've never believed you would. Then again, you did have a year of Braun.

 

Great posts on the thread.

[And That]

Cards fan here...big Rolen fan, but it's time for him to go.

Just curious, is this because of his relationship with LaRussa, or is it that and other things?

 

[BW23]

Strictly because of the relationship. Personally, I blame La Russa more because he's the leader of the team and it's his job to relate to all his players. Now, a supposed problem other than the public feuds is that Rolen doesn't like the way that La Russa micro manages. It's been suggested that a bigger part is that Rolen feels like he knows how to play defense (no argument there) and that he doesn't need constant coaching on where to be on the field. He'll want a manager that basically lets the players play. I don't know enough about Yost to know whether he's like that or not. He strikes me a players-manger, but he probably has to do a lot of "coaching" with so many young guys on the team.

 

I'm sure he's spoken with Suppan about the possibility. I would bet they're buddies.

 

One thing to keep in mind. Rolen can veto any trade. When he went to StL, it was said many times he wanted to stay in the midwest. With a ring and his desire to leave La Russa, he may not be as picky now. But if he is, that could help Milwaukee's attempt to get him.

[trwi7]

Oh boy Rolen doesn't like being told where to be on the field? He is not going to like us pulling the defense all over the field even if the batter doesn't show a tendency to hit it either way.

[splitterpfj]

Can't you just see Rolen and Yost yelling at LaRussa from the dugout next year?

 

Good times.

[brains and braun]

Awesome work fry!!! You made my afternoon with that one!

[trwi7]

Can't you just see Rolen and Yost yelling at LaRussa from the dugout next year?

 

Good times.

 

Oh man I totally forgot about Yost and Sveum yelling at LaRussa. That's awesome.

[sbrylski]

Thanks for the insight, BW23.

 

I think he'd do fine with Yost. He handled Mench and Jenkins' egos last season very well, and as much as it sucked, Yost's non-PH for those two might have been rooted in just keeping them happy. I'm not sure exactly what we would have to make Rolen do that he wouldn't want to anyway - other than possibly bat 2nd.

 

(Rolen in the 2nd spot? Drool...)

 

I'm sure he's spoken with Suppan about the possibility. I would bet they're buddies.

 

Good point. I'm sure that'll help him accept a trade to Milwaukee, but if the situation is as bad as rumored I don't think it will matter to much where he goes.

[And That]

This would really amp up the rivalry between the teams too. I see nothing wrong with the thing.

[brettac1]

You're the man 20fry!

[Paul77]

You're the man 20fry!

Glad everyone enjoyed it. I enjoy making them.

 

[DHarris34Phan]

Can someone recap this thread; is this just speculation or are they actually talking with the Cards?

 

Cliff notes FTW!

[trwi7]

Buster Olney, Peter Gammons and Ken Rosenthal all say there's talks going on. Rumored deal from Rosenthal is Capuano, Gwynn and Mench for Rolen and either Franklin or Flores. Only thing that needed to be worked out according to him was how much of Rolen's contract the Cards were going to pay.