Bucks beat Cavs in dramatic fashion

[molitor fan]

anyone that does not like the overall game of Yi is a very hard individual to please. LOVE this guy's game. He is a good player right now, and has a chance to be a one of the best big men in the league eventually.

[brettac1]

Yeah, he is sweet. He just needs to become more involved in the offense and be more aggressive, but that will come in time.

[BrewCityUnit]

The Bucks deserve a lot of credit for tonight's win. Great win tonight.

[homer]

Bosh had one point???

[don1481]

See, Mo? Pass the ball, work inside, your team gets lots of points. It's really not that hard.

 

Since when has Mason had that sweet little hook shot? My dad and I did NOT recognize that from when he was with the Bucks before!

[TerraceReserved]

Also a solid game from Bogut tonight, 12 points and 11 boards. 4 TO however, but still good overall. Hopefully he can average 10-11 rebounds for the whole year.

[twobrewers]

The first trade was Mo and Magloire to Utah for Boozer and their 1st round pick. That would've given us a lineup of Ford-Redd-Simmons-Boozer-Bogut plus the 14th pick in the draft. Instead Harris had to settle for the expiring contracts of Skinner, Ha and Blake.

That was a trade rumor. That has never been confirmed by either side. If that had really been offered to the Bucks, then Larry Harris is an idiot.

 

But if you are going to blame Larry Harris for failing to make that trade, you should also blame Doug Melvin for failing to land David Wright for Claudio Vargas.

 

(Sorry, I've just heard that rumor referenced too many times as though it were a fact.)

[trwi7]

That was a trade rumor. That has never been confirmed by either side. If that had really been offered to the Bucks, then Larry Harris is an idiot.

 

But if you are going to blame Larry Harris for failing to make that trade, you should also blame Doug Melvin for failing to land David Wright for Claudio Vargas.

 

(Sorry, I've just heard that rumor referenced too many times as though it were a fact.)

 

No that was from two sources on realgm who have inside connections with the Bucks and have called other trades before. That deal was on the table.

[Mr QL]

The Dez Hook is the greatest thing ever.

[twobrewers]

No that was from two sources on realgm who have inside connections with the Bucks and have called other trades before.

I remain unmoved. That is still zero sources from Utah.

 

And while I will generally agree that realgm is a pretty good site - it is still a rumor mill site. Even if someone does have "inside connections" with the Bucks, that doesn't mean they would know every trade that was on the table. They could very well be mistaken.

 

That trade offer was never reported on ESPN, Fox Sports or Sports Illustrated - or the JS for that matter.

 

When was this trade supposedly on the table? Since you mention the 14th overall pick, you must be talking about shortly before the 2006 draft when Utah had the 14th pick. Boozer had been injured most of the 05-06 season. However, he had returned healthy and played the last 2 months of the season with some great numbers. (See game log)

 

Not to mention that Utah had just drafted Deron Williams (no need for a point guard) and had Okur (no need for a center).

If it looks to good to be true...

[JJHardy7]

Trading Magloire for value? That had to be a rumor. He had no value after playing for the Bucks.

[trwi7]

That trade offer was never reported on ESPN, Fox Sports or Sports Illustrated - or the JS for that matter.

Of course it wasn't reported. Why would ESPN, Fox Sports or Sports Illustrated waste their time reported on a trade that never happened? Why would they want to talk about a deal on the table? That only would happen with players like Kobe, Tim Duncan, LeBron etc.

 

If you don't want to believe me fine I'm just telling you what I heard from two posters on realgm who have inside connections with the Bucks.

 

That had to be a rumor. He had no value after playing for the Bucks.

We traded Desmond Mason and a 1st round pick for Magloire when he was coming off an 11.7 point, 8.9 rebound season in only 23 games. With the Bucks he played all 82 games and averaged 9.2 points and 9.5 rebounds.

And they could have used Okur as a PF and they probably would've used Mo as a SG.

[JJHardy7]

Did you see what we ended up trading Magloire for though after he played for the Bucks? This is my point. We did give up a lot for him, but got next to nothing back for him compared to what we gave up.

 

We got Steve Blake, Brian Skinner, and Ha Seung-Jin (who never played a game in a Bucks uniform). I consider getting this back for Magloire as next to no value.

[patrickgpe]

That was Harris' worse trade as GM. One could guess that it was made because first of all everyone knew he was going to be traded so they wouldnt give as much up for him and Kohl wanted expiring contracts. We got Mason back eventually which easies the pain. Too bad we lost out on a draft pick though in the process.

[twobrewers]

We got Steve Blake, Brian Skinner, and Ha Seung-Jin (who never played a game in a Bucks uniform). I consider getting this back for Magloire as next to no value.

Are you saying that is the worse trade of Larry Harris'? Or the trade that landed us Magloire (Mason and a 1st round Pick)?

 

I think getting Blake, Skinner and Ha Seung-Jin for Jamal Magloire was a great trade. Blake and Skinner are both very good bench players. (Blake even possibly a starter) Magloire was/is horrible. The only reason anyone thinks he has any value whatsoever is becuase he made an all star game once as backup center in the east. We are lucky we got as much back for him as we did!

 

Now, if instead you meant trading for Magloire was one of the worse trades by Larry Harris - I agree. You know how we hope some team goes crazy over Claudio Vargas's record and overpays for him without looking at any of hir perifferal numbers - that is what Larry Harris did with Magloire. He went crazy about getting an all-star center.

 

Problem is he was really bad. And worse yet, he was so slow he bogged down our offense to the point that we couldn't do anything when he was on the floor. But then, that has always been Larry's problem - he doesn't build a team. He just adds one player after another, without thinking about how they fit together.

 

(Man, add in how bad the Ray Allen trade was and Larry Harris has a really bad track record. I think trading Allen was the right move, because Redd is an all-star too. But Gary Payton was a waste. We would have been better off with draft picks)

[JJHardy7]

I'm not saying either of them are the worst trade (one of them may very well be the worst, but I'm not discussing that here). I was just stating that Magloire's value was next to nothing when we traded him away. If you take the value we gave up (whether that was a fair trade or not is not the issue) compared to what we received when we traded Magloire away was nowhere near the value it took to get him.

 

I'm stating this referring to the post that we could have traded Magloire and Mo to Utah for Boozer, etc. There is no way. If that trade possibility was the case, we would have made it.

 

Blake was horrible in Milwaukee. He might be one of the worst back up point guards I've seen play for the Bucks in quite some time. He was a decent player coming in, but he couldn't shoot worth a lick with the Bucks last yaer. I'm not a big Brian Skinner fan at all.

 

NOTE - Don't blame Harris for the Allen trade. It was Ernie Grunfeld.

 

http://www.hoopshype.com/general_managers/ernie_grunfeld.htm

[patrickgpe]

I don't think either trade was bad. we wanted a big man and they are expensive so giving up Mason and a 1st seemed fair. Why that was done the same off season they drafted Bogut and extended gadz, doesn't make sense. It became clear that Magloire had to go, so he had no trade value and harris go the best he could. Add those 2 trades up and the end results is bad.

 

Harris has made some bad trades and some trades that we thought we good that turned out to be bad. Overall I still think he is a decent GM, who gets his hand tied from time to time.

[JJHardy7]

It made sense (in the Bucks view)...if it worked out.

 

The Bucks didn't want Bogut to play center his first year in the NBA. They wanted him to play PF and eventually move to C. If I remember right, I believe they didn't think he'd be ready to play against NBA Cs from a defensive view right away. So to me, that part of the deal makes sense -- the desire to acquire Magloire or a C. Also, the Bucks traded D Mas because the signed Bobby Simmons that off-season. Simmons really only had one good year with the Clippers (was named Most Improved) and landed a big deal with the Bucks (makes over $9 million this year). If the Bucks wanted Simmons more than D Mas, than D Mas is expendable. The draft pick ended up being Cedric Simmons (who has since been traded to Cleveland after one year with the Hornets). I don't think the Magloire deal was the worst trade Harris made, but I guess it depends on how much value you give D Mas. A first round pick (or any pick for that matter) after the first 15 picks or so in the NBA is unpredictable so I don't mind that we gave up a first (thank goodness it was #17 I believe).

 

My point on this is that if Magloire's value (due to the lack of Cs in the NBA) why did we get so little back? Again this is my opinion, but Blake was pretty bad with the Bucks and there are a ton of NBA versions of Brian Skinner.

[danzig6767]

Drafting Yi was the best thing to happen to the Bucks in a long time, he has a real chance to be special.

[trwi7]

Did you see what we ended up trading Magloire for though after he played for the Bucks? This is my point. We did give up a lot for him, but got next to nothing back for him compared to what we gave up.

Yes I said in my first post about the chance to get Boozer that Kohl wouldn't let Harris trade for him because of his contract so he had to settle for the expiring deals of Ha, Blake and Skinner.

[dadofandrew]

Blake is a pretty good PG, he signed for millions this offseason. He's more of a passer than a shooter, but he's plenty capable.

[trwi7]

Blake is a pretty good PG, he signed for millions this offseason. He's more of a passer than a shooter, but he's plenty capable.

 

He was pretty terrible here. Mainly because he said he wasn't happy here and how Stotts wanted him to play away from his strengths.

[dadofandrew]

Blake is not a star, but I think his minutes played during his time in MIL says a lot about his production. If you set up a player to fail, he probably will.

[Oldcity]

I randomly went to my second Bucks game since probably 2005 on Tuesday. I guess I know how to pick 'em. I'm starting to get really excited about Yi...

[danzig6767]

Blake is not a star, but I think his minutes played during his time in MIL says a lot about his production. If you set up a player to fail, he probably will.

 

Blake wasn't set up to fail here, he just lost his ability to make shots for awhile and the Bucks needed scoring because of injuries, so they traded him. Blake simply went into a bad shooting slump, it happens just as hitters go in a slump. This caused his playing time to get even more lessened, which won't help a player get his shot back.

As for both trades, Harris screwed up in trading for Magloire. Larry didn't see the drop off in Magloire's game and wasted a first round pick in acquiring Magloire, losing Dez didn't matter. Once we saw Magloire had declined as a player, the rest of the league saw the same thing and his trade value had plummeted. So he was traded for a spare part backup PG in Steve Blake, which was reasonably fair given Magloire is now a spare part backup center. Neither guy matters much at all, both are spare parts.

 

The only thing lost to the Bucks of any value was the first round draft choice, but who knows if Harris would have drafted a useful player with that pick.