Does Boston = NY in hateability?

[SoCalBrewfan]

I suspect you'd all be fine with Milwaukee spending $143 a year if they could afford it.

 

This typo is just begging for a snarky response, something about the Wendy era when the budget was a hundred bucks and $143 would look like big money. But I can't bring myself to do it.

[logan82]

I suspect you'd all be fine with Milwaukee spending $143 a year if they could afford it.

 

This typo is just begging for a snarky response, something about the Wendy era when the budget was a hundred bucks and $143 would look like big money. But I can't bring myself to do it.

 

You just did.

[brettac1]

I like the Red Sox a lot, and I like Theo a lot. But I don't really hate the Yankees, either. I'm not sure I hate any teams except maybe the Angels and White Sox. Possibly the Dodgers (oddly enough because of Grady Little, and especially Ned Colletti).

[Schlitz001]

I hate their fans, I hate that they complain about the Yankees when ANY team would spend like the Yankees if they had the chance.

 

That's always been my problem with the fans. They like to ignore the fact that they also have an enormous payroll. Don't cry to me about the Yankees. Last year the Red Sox had the largest payroll in history for a team not making the playoffs. I really couldn't share in their pain.

 

One thing that I do respect is the Red Sox fans relative knowledge and enthusiasm for their team. I was at the WS game last night rooting for the Rockies and in comparison to the Sox fans, there was a relative lack of energy from the Rockies fans. I felt I knew more about the Rockies than most of their own fans at the game. The Sox fans in comparison, while oft inibriated, knew when to cheer and knew their team.

 

That said it still goes 1.Cubs 2.Yankees 3.Red Sox for me.

[JrDave2304]

The only reason I ever hated the Yankees was because I was just sick of them winning the World Series and being in the playoffs every year. So I guess it was more jealousy than hate. Now I really do hate the Red Sox and especially their fans. While I respect their knowledge and passion for their team, they have to be the most obnoxious group of fans on the planet (except for possibly Cubs fans). I honestly didn't have a problem with them until after the 04 World Series. That just turned them into a huge group of arrogant, cocky, obnoxious, etc. fans.

[TooLiveBrew]

That just turned them into a huge group of arrogant, cocky, obnoxious, etc. fans.

 

http://forum.brewerfan.net/images/smilies/laugh.gif The only thing I'd change in that is that it just made them those kinds of fans, but with a recent WS title. Now it's two. http://forum.brewerfan.net/images/smilies/mad.gif

[hawing]

For all that they cry about how they're the underdogs against the Evil Empire, to the rest of the league it's Evil Empire Ia and Ib...

 

Yeah, Boston and its 'nation' seems to be closing the hateability gap for me. NYY and CHC are still ahead of them on my list, though. I'm also not super keen on the national sports media for fueling the fire. And geez, imagine being part of or a fan of any other team in the AL East. How do you have hope anymore?

 

I honestly didn't have a problem with them until after the 04 World Series. That just turned them into a huge group of arrogant, cocky, obnoxious, etc. fans.

 

This brings to mind something I fear about cubs fans. Would winning it all - whenever that might happen - defuse some of their obnoxiousness, or make it worse? I'm not saying I want to find out.

[danzig6767]

I 'm a big fan or Manny and Ortiz,other than that,the Red Sox are nearly like the Yankees.They can spend their way into almost a sure playoff berth each season so long as they don't have a complete moron for a GM at the time.

 

Color me unimpressed with reaching the playoff with a 150 million dollar payroll

 

Both the Yankees and Red Sox so bore me to death with their ability to buy playoff berths,if they are in a playoff series,i rarely even watch any of it unless i have a bet on the outcome.

 

As much as i hate the Patriots,i greatly respect that they have built their dynasty on a fairly level playing field,not by opening their checkbook for nearly any player they feel like signing.

[Mass Haas]

Theo has singlehandedly built that franchise up from being mediocre every year.

 

And, of course, was on his ridiculous sabbatical and did not engineer the trade that brought Josh Beckett and Mike Lowell, signed J.D. Drew for $70 million when no other team was in the bidding, and has played musical shortstops for four years and is now locked in to Julio Lugo. Like Brian Cashman, Theo can write off his mistakes, Doug Melvin can't.

[gregmag]

I hate the Red Sox a whole lot. I hated their fans when they whined, and I hate them now that they're gloating. I'm almost relieved that the team has won a couple of titles, because now we can hope for an end to Bostonians' schizophrenic ravings that, on one hand, Boston is the center of the universe (beating out every other major metropolis in all of New England, so there) and, on the other hand, they are poor, suffering underdogs.

 

Theo Epstein is a very good GM. If he were running the Brewers, they would probably be about where they are, a solid contender. But make no mistake: the Red Sox are champions because of money. The Yankees are in it every year because of money. Money isn't enough to make a champion, but it is by far the single most useful component for a championship. This is why, over the years, I've become less of a baseball fan, mainly just following the Brewers. MLB, as competition, isn't primarily about who's best; it's primarily about who's richest.

 

Greg.

[SoCalBrewfan]

I'm not sure I hate any teams except maybe the Angels and White Sox. Possibly the Dodgers (oddly enough because of Grady Little, and especially Ned Colletti).

 

Not to derail here, but if you're picking out teams to hate, why the Angels? (I can see the White Sox, who are as unlovable an organization as there is. My up close impression is that the Dodgers are currently too ineffectual to be worth hating...)

[homer]

Well the Angels are turning into the West Coast version of the Red Sox for starters....http://forum.brewerfan.net/images/smilies/smile.gif

[SoCalBrewfan]

Well, if hate is proportional to payroll, the Mets and White Sox should be ahead of the Angels...to me, the Angels are just one of many teams in the $90-110M range...they are richer than the Brewers but not even 150% of our payroll. Or, if you prefer, there's tiers as follows, ordered by my personal level of hatefulness within tiers:

 

Yankees

Red Sox

 

Mets

White Sox / Angels / Dodgers / Mariners (three West Coast versions of the Mets or White Sox...great return on investment for these guys!)

 

Cubs / Orioles / Tigers (two rich but dumb teams, and the Tigers)

 

Phils / Astros / Giants / Braves / Cardinals (no-man's land salary-wise, a combination of good orgs and crappy ones IMO...half of our division is rich but still not very good...the only team here I really dislike is Philly)

 

the rest of the league (most of my personal faves live here)

 

Drays / Nats / Pirates / Marlins (hating any of these teams seems like spitting on a vagrant)

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Major_League_Baseball_teams_by_payroll

[joepepsi]

Not a bad breakdown, although once again, let me remind everyone the Red Sox payroll is $46 million less than the Yankees. They don't belong in a group with the Yankees. In fact, the Mets payroll is 80% of the Red Sox. IN FACT(!) the difference between the Red Sox and Yankee payrolls is GREATER than the difference between the Red Sox and any of the Mets, Angels, White Sox, Dodgers, Cubs.

 

So really, you need to either put the Red Sox in a category by themselves, or in a group with the above listed, non Yankee teams.

 

As near as I can conclude in this topic, people hate the Red Sox because they are good and have passionate fans.

[SoCalBrewfan]

Yeah, the Red Sox are pretty far below the Yankees. But they're also a long way ahead of the Mets...the difference between #2 and #3 (Red Sox, Mets) is $27M, which is about the same as the difference between the Mets and the #14 Phillies.

 

So maybe there should be a blank line between Yankees and Red Sox. But I did have them on different lines!

[homer]

"let me remind everyone the Red Sox payroll is $46 million less than the Yankees"

 

And both are more than 2x the Brewers payroll.

[logan82]

How much closer are the Yankees and the Red Sox after dropping A-Rod's contract?

[BrewCityUnit]

How much cloer are the Red Sox to the Yankees when you consider the bid they put in JUST to sign Dice K to a contract?

[AmyintheSouth]

I honestly didn't have a problem with them until after the 04 World Series. That just turned them into a huge group of arrogant, cocky, obnoxious, etc. fans.

Mostly, it turned it a small, yet vocal and omnipresent group of people who are easily swayed into a huge group of arrogant, cocky, obnoxious fans who front like they know everything but only cheer for David Ortiz at the park and are more interested in having their picture taken in the 9th inning than Papelbon pitching with men on. The people who were fans before 2004 pretty much haven't changed. Most people I know are still grinning ear to ear that our moms and dads are getting to see it twice when they thought they'd never get to see it once.

Yes, the Red Sox spend a lot of money. Very few Sox fans will dispute that. But there's a large contingent of fans who wish they wouldn't -- the Drew and Lugo contracts are ridiculous and my friends and I were hoping against hope they wouldn't happen.

 

Sorry if I sound really defensive. I guess I just feel like I should counter what you mostly see outside of New England, since most of us are normal, happy people who would like nothing better than for the media to stop paying attention so we can stop being told what we're thinking (not directed to anyone here, to clarify, just to articles and stories that crop up).