Who is the first player on the 40 man roster to be traded this offseason?

[trwi7]

In the "for what it's worth" category, I was in San Fran two weeks ago and there was some speculation that the Giants could pursue Bill Hall in a trade since he "might be the odd man out" in Milwaukee and could fit holes at either CF and SS for the Giants.

 

Interesting. Was this on the radio and just the host naming names or did he sound like maybe the front office would pursue Hall?

 

Either way I'd demand Matt Cain in return.http://forum.brewerfan.net/images/smilies/wink.gif

 

 

[Team Canada]

How does Parra's velocity compare to Fatty Eveland's? Or what about "George of the Color Pink" and his 97 mph fastball?

 

Please refrain from derogatory nicknames. And that's a pretty obscure JDLR moniker as well..

 

[Tbadder]

Gwynn--Brewers have never believed in him.

Turnbow--Melvin is starting to get frustrated, see Scotty Pod.

Vargas--Cappy throws left, so the V-man is gone

Estrada--surprise!

[MNBrew]

The Mpls. paper reported back in the summer that Minnesota tried hard to get Mench at the trading deadline but Mench wasn't available. My guess is one of two things: Either...

 

1. They low-balled their the Brewers, or

2. Melvin felt the Brewers were short enough on offensive production that they couldn't afford to lose Mench because of how so many other outfield pieces (all but Hart) were really sucking it up back in July & August.

 

If Melvin were motivated to give Mench away for peanuts, there certainly have been chances.

[endaround]

Keep in mind Hall was hurt in July and no one knew how long he was going to be out or if he would continue to miss time.

[foamboy1]

It was in an article in the San Francisco Chronicle I believe....it was the local newspaper delivered to my room...I assume it to be the Chronicle.

[dadofandrew]

Mench killed LHP, no way Doug was trading him unless he got that in return.

[Big Reed]

I think the player most likely to be traded would be Villenueva followed by Mench, Turnbow, Gross and Gwynn.

 

mench has some value and has some interest from other clubs. if the brewers let jenkins go, I think they may also decide to trade mench and find an outfielder who doesn't need to platoon. Winning teams don't platoon outfielders. I doubt the brewers will receive a significant player in return for Mench. If Mench wants $4-5 million in arby, the brewers would be better off signing some aging FA like Lofton to a 1 year offer.

 

I believe the brewers will trade gross and gwynn mainly because both players are spare parts with no real future as full time players for the brewers. I don't expect the brewers to receive anything more than a low level mediocre prospect in return for either player.

 

I would expect Turnbow to retrieve the most in return. the question is however, if the brewers traded turnbow, what would they trade him for? an outfielder? a relief pitcher? a starting pitcher? it would be dumb to trade Turnbow for another pitcher. And I don't think trading turnbow alone would net a quality outfielder better than the Jenkins/Mench platoon.

 

This leads me to the bold prediction of the brewers trading Villenueva! he would net the brewers the outfielder they want. he is young and has a lot more value than the other possible brewers on the market. And his role with the brewers could be easily replaced by other players such as Parra and Vargas. The Dodgers and D rays have a couple of spare young outfielders. I'm thinking of Either, Baldelli and Kemp. The Pirates' Bay would be a steal/dream.

[sbrylski]

This leads me to the bold prediction of the brewers trading Villenueva! he would net the brewers the outfielder they want. he is young and has a lot more value than the other possible brewers on the market. And his role with the brewers could be easily replaced by other players such as Parra and Vargas.

 

I'm not sure I agree with this. Vargas pretty much is not good. Parra has had plenty of injury problems, and I think in general this board is a little too Parra happy right now. He had a very good season, but he could be off the radar in the blink of an eye again. He's great to have, but not much to count on, IMO.

 

Then again, Villanueva got away with walking quite a few last season and a few extra homers. If he doesn't improve in both those areas, we could see his ERA slip down into the upper 4's as a starter.

 

I just think it makes too much sense to send Vargas on his way, save the couple million, and have a solid 6 deep with a plus potential Parra as our #7. I also think Vargas will have solid value.

[trwi7]

Winning teams don't platoon outfielders.

Sure they do. The Cubs had a ton of outfielders shifting around this year. Murton, Soriano and then a revolving door of Jones, Floyd, Pagan and Pie against left handers and then they went with Soriano, Jones and Floyd against right handers.

[Big Reed]

I don't really consider the Cubs as a winning or smart organization. The only reason they platooned so many outfielders was because of non-production and injuries. Cubs fans have been crying to have somebody like Hunter to play 162 games for the last 4 years. they thought when they acquired Floyd and Jones, that both would be every day outfielders. They didn't acquire either player with platooning them in mind. Soriano was expected to play 162 games.

 

I realize the Red Sox platooned Ellersby and CoCo Crisp during the play-offs. I doubt they will platoon next year as CoCo becomes Boston's 4th outfielder / defensive replacement for Manny.

[endaround]

Ah I see. Winning teams don't platoon outfielders. If a team does platoon outfielders there aren't winning no matter what their record states.

[TooLiveBrew]

Big Reed, there have been many postseason & WS teams with OF platoons. I don't recall which thread, but someone made a decent list - I just don't have time to dig it up! http://forum.brewerfan.net/images/smilies/smile.gif

[Big Reed]

I will agree there have been many world series teams that have had platoons in the outfield.

 

Both the rockies and red Sox had platoons this year in the outfield. both the Cardinals and Tigers had platoons last year. You could say the Yankees had a platoon for the last 4 years.

 

the 69 and 86 mets had platoons in the outfield. the list goes on and on.

 

however, what a team has and what a team desires to have are two different things. I believe if you asked each current GM what he'd rather have, and he'd tell you he'd rather have 3 regular outfielders who ca n hit lefties and righties equally well verses platoons.

 

The packers' coach said it best last night. he's been platooning running backs all year. that's not what he wanted to do, but that's what he's had to do. he'd prefer to use just one running back than have his current committee of backs. A look around the NFL would show about 10 teams that use a platoon of running backs, and half of them are winning teams. but given a choice of a platoon verses having a larry johnson, I think they'd all pick larry Johnson.

 

When jenkins could hit left handers, he was a full time player (when not injured)

 

yes platoons do exist on winning teams, but I have to believe the desired situation is to have one player at each position who doesn't need to platoon.

[MoneyballMan]

Weighing in late here, but I'll guess it's Gwynn who goes first. I could see a lesser trade of Gwynn for a middle reliever. Won't get everyone all excited, but may be just as important as a big move for a LFer.