Mitchell steroid probe; Latest - Clemens headed to Court; Congress

[jlau20]

I'm interested in what the report is going to say and everything, but quite frankly, regardless of the names on the list, my opinion of anyone isn't going to change. I've always realized that a large portion of players in the league used PED's at some point or another. It's really not that shocking at all. When you're playing a game and you know that most of your peers are using something that is giving them an advantage over you, meaning among other things that whatever they are using is going to get them more fame, more money, etc., the odds are against you being able to turn down the same help that they are receiving.

 

Does it suck that this had to happen? Yes, of course it would be perfect had no one in the game ever used PED's, but it's just the way it goes and quite frankly I don't see the point of this report. To me this isn't a proactive way to go about things. Great, we get a list of names of people who used PED's in the past, I don't care. Instead, do something more about stopping it now, beef up testing even more, whatever it takes. I just really don't see what this is going to solve.

[Jopal78]

Clemens, Pettite, Roberts, Gibbons, and Tejada were all players who Grimsley told the Feds were steroid users years ago. Unless, Mitchell and Co., has obtained further evidence supporting Grimsley's claim this is old news.

[berniebrewer4life]

So does this mean that we are gonna have to look for replacements for Mota and Gagne this year?

[brewcrew00]

These few lines from the ESPN article have me more interested in the release than I was before:

 

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The source said McNamee told investigators he supplied Clemens with steroids while Clemens was witih the Yankees, and prior to Clemens joining the team.

 

Also, The Bergen (N.J.) Record, citing a baseball industry official, says "several" prominent Yankees will be named in the Mitchell report. The paper said the source spoke to a third party who had seen the final report.

 

"It's going to be a rough day in the Bronx," the paper quoted the source as saying.

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I'm calling it. The names will include Jeter, A-Rod, Rivera, Soriano, and in the biggest shock of all: David Wells.

 

 

You can mix steroids and beer?!

[TooLiveBrew]

did you see [Frank Thomas's] press conference after his 500th homer? Maybe you should look at what he has said in the past, he speaks strongly against steroids, and though he is huge, he has said that he has done it the right way.

 

Like this guy?

 

http://frontier.cincinnati.com/blogs/popo/uploaded_images/palmeiro-789851.jpg

 

Great, we get a list of names of people who used PED's in the past, I don't care. Instead, do something more about stopping it now, beef up testing even more, whatever it takes. I just really don't see what this is going to solve.

Great point, jlau. It temporarily placates the horde.

[berniebrewer4life]

These few lines from the ESPN article have me more interested in the release than I was before:

 

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The source said McNamee told investigators he supplied Clemens with steroids while Clemens was witih the Yankees, and prior to Clemens joining the team.

 

Also, The Bergen (N.J.) Record, citing a baseball industry official, says "several" prominent Yankees will be named in the Mitchell report. The paper said the source spoke to a third party who had seen the final report.

 

"It's going to be a rough day in the Bronx," the paper quoted the source as saying.

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I'm calling it. The names will include Jeter, A-Rod, Rivera, Soriano, and in the biggest shock of all: David Wells.

 

You can mix steroids and beer?!

Only if you have the Steroids as a side dish, usually they come with Triple Bacon Cheeseburgers.

[Fear The Chorizo]

Mota already served his suspension for the PED test he failed at the start of the 2007 season - that's already been dealt with.

It will be interesting to see how MLB uses this report, and how all the players listed are mentioned. There will be quite a few names of players listed who have already served a suspension or are waiting for next season to start so they can start their imposed suspension.

I thought Gagne was going to be mentioned, the timing of his injuries, and the rapid rise he made from a failed starter to the best closer in baseball was a little too fishy.

[jaybird2001wi]

Why do I get the feeling that baseball purists will be disappointed in this list, not because it is necessary bad for the game, but because it won't release as many names as once thought. I also think it will be dominated by Yankee and Mets players with little names from Midwest and West coast teams.

I imagine some players may breathe a sigh of relief that their names were not on the list. This could be all smoke and mirrors in my mind.

 

I honestly think Frank Thomas is naturally big. He was once a tight end at Auburn, playing alongside Bo Jackson I believe.

 

The one name that is never mentioned is Rickey Henderson. He may have been in good shape, but with him playing well into his 40's, I have always wondered if he got "some help."

[Nottso]

I'm kind of worried that Selig will go berserk and start handing down 50 and 100 game suspensions. Meanwhile, our group of youngsters goes on a tear and wins it all, only to have the season asterisked.

[And That]

Clemens, Pettite, Roberts, Gibbons, and Tejada were all players who Grimsley told the Feds were steroid users years ago. Unless, Mitchell and Co., has obtained further evidence supporting Grimsley's claim this is old news.

Except for the possibility this could be turned into actionable evidence now by MLB in terms of suspensions.

[RU Rah Rah]

I'm kind of worried that Selig will go berserk and start handing down 50 and 100 game suspensions.

He's going to be in one heck of a bind, in terms of dealing with the guys who haven't already been nabbed and suspended (like Mota). Do you suspend no one? Or everyone? And for how long? If he does it on a case-by-case basis, he's going to be accused of favoritism.

 

And I can't even begin to imagine how intransigent the players' union is going to be .....

 

[chinabob99]

According to a list that has been circulating, which Deadspin posted with caveats about its authenticity, our new closer Eric Gagne is named.

[HonoluluBrew]

A rumored list I got from a co-worker whose buddy "works in baseball"

 

Brady Anderson, Manny Alexander, Rick Ankiel, Jeff Bagwell, Barry Bonds, Aaron Boone, Rafaeil Bettancourt, Bret Boone, Milton Bradley, David Bell, Dante Bichette, Albert Belle, Paul Byrd, Wil Cordero, Ken Caminiti, Mike Cameron, Ramon Castro, Jose and Ozzie Canseco, Roger Clemens, Paxton Crawford, Wilson Delgado, Lenny Dykstra, Johnny Damon, Carl Everett, Kyle Farnsoworth, Ryan Franklin, Troy Glaus, Rich Garces, Jason Grimsley, Troy Glaus, Juan Gonzalez, Eric Gagne, Nomar Garciaparra, Jason Giambi, Jeremy Giambi, Jose Guillen, Jay Gibbons, Juan Gonzalez, Clay Hensley, Jerry Hairston, Felix Heredia, Jr., Darren Holmes, Wally Joyner, Darryl Kile, Matt Lawton, Raul Mondesi, Mark McGwire, Guillermo Mota, Robert Machado, Damian Moss, Abraham Nunez, Trot Nixon, Jose Offerman, Andy Pettitte, Mark Prior, Neifi Perez, Rafael Palmiero, Albert Pujols, Brian Roberts, Juan Rincon, John Rocker, Pudge Rodriguez, Sammy Sosa, Scott Schoenweiis, David Segui, Alex Sanchez, Gary Sheffield, Miguel Tejada, Julian Tavarez,Fernando Tatis, Maurice Vaughn, Jason Varitek, Ismael Valdez, Matt Williams and Kerry Wood.

[berniebrewer4life]

A rumored list I got from a co-worker whose buddy "works in baseball"

 

Brady Anderson, Manny Alexander, Rick Ankiel, Jeff Bagwell, Barry Bonds, Aaron Boone, Rafaeil Bettancourt, Bret Boone, Milton Bradley, David Bell, Dante Bichette, Albert Belle, Paul Byrd, Wil Cordero, Ken Caminiti, Mike Cameron, Ramon Castro, Jose and Ozzie Canseco, Roger Clemens, Paxton Crawford, Wilson Delgado, Lenny Dykstra, Johnny Damon, Carl Everett, Kyle Farnsoworth, Ryan Franklin, Troy Glaus, Rich Garces, Jason Grimsley, Troy Glaus, Juan Gonzalez, Eric Gagne, Nomar Garciaparra, Jason Giambi, Jeremy Giambi, Jose Guillen, Jay Gibbons, Juan Gonzalez, Clay Hensley, Jerry Hairston, Felix Heredia, Jr., Darren Holmes, Wally Joyner, Darryl Kile, Matt Lawton, Raul Mondesi, Mark McGwire, Guillermo Mota, Robert Machado, Damian Moss, Abraham Nunez, Trot Nixon, Jose Offerman, Andy Pettitte, Mark Prior, Neifi Perez, Rafael Palmiero, Albert Pujols, Brian Roberts, Juan Rincon, John Rocker, Pudge Rodriguez, Sammy Sosa, Scott Schoenweiis, David Segui, Alex Sanchez, Gary Sheffield, Miguel Tejada, Julian Tavarez,Fernando Tatis, Maurice Vaughn, Jason Varitek, Ismael Valdez, Matt Williams and Kerry Wood.

already been posted, it's from deadspin(the link is a page back i believe.).

[splitterpfj]

That's the same list that's posted on deadspin right now.

[TooLiveBrew]

He's going to be in one heck of a bind, in terms of dealing with the guys who haven't already been nabbed and suspended (like Mota).

 

Mota's been busted & served a suspension.

[HonoluluBrew]

Yeah I just got it forwarded to me

[billyhallfan]

Like this guy?

 

completely different, Thomas has said he would take tests, and he said that he did it the right way with out anyone asking him that question, instead of Palmeiro being forced to answer the question, no one asked Frank, he said that he was clean anyway.

[billyhallfan]

well if mota is the only guy on the Brewers that appears on that list, I don't think that we really have anything to worry about, it is only 15 games anyway right?

[jason21nl]

I don't know if you really can believe anyone at this point. Players that have been caught still deny that they ever took something wrong. Then there are players that say they would never do something like steroids only to be caught. Did big Frank take PEDs? who really knows? Just because he said he didn't doesn't really mean anything to me.

[lbb020]

Too bad we didn't wait a week to sign Gagne, I would assume his free agent value would have decreased after being named on this list (if he indeed is named)....

[jaybird2001wi]

I would be disappointed if that was the actual list, HonoluluBrew. That list screams of *duh*

[Milltownhooker]

I think it will be alot of 10-20 game suspensions. I guess it depends on the evidence in each individual case.

[burniebrewer]

That same list is being posted on the CNBC/MSNBC websites.

[MJLiverock]

That is basically the same list of players that have been either known or highly speculated about for the last couple of years. Not to earth shattering or revealing in my eyes.