Turnbow wants to be traded?

[trwi7]

I'm listening to Sparky on WSSP right now and he's talking about how Turnbow said he wants to be traded because of the fans booing him. I've looked all over the place trying to find Turnbow saying anything about it and haven't found anything. Does anybody know if this is true?

[JJHardy7]

I really hope this isn't WSSP starting up another rumor. Did he mention any sources or anything?

[trwi7]

I really hope this isn't WSSP starting up another rumor. Did he mention any sources or anything?

 

No but I'm sure this won't be as good as the Dunn for Wise rumor that they got here. http://static.yuku.com//domainskins/bypass/img/smileys/laugh.gif

[brewfanks]

Link

[Nearsighted Views]

Maybe he could go to New York or Philadelphia where the fans are more patient and understanding.

[1992casey]

From the link in the reply #3...

(Turnbow) admitted the idea has crossed his mind to ask to be moved to another club but hasn't decided if he'll do so.

 

"I haven't gone to them and talked about it," he said. "I can't say I won't. (The booing) wears you down."

Unless there's been a new development, this sounds like another case of WSSP telling us something that isn't true.

[BrewCrewForever]

Turnbow is a knob, if wants out of here. See ya!

[1992casey]

Turnbow is a knob, if wants out of here. See ya!

I somehow have trouble calling a guy a knob based on the fairly measured statement quoted in reply #5.

 

[trwi7]

I guess I don't get it. Does he think it would be any better in Los Angeles, Chicago, New York, Boston, San Francisco, Minnesota, Seattle etc.? Milwaukee is actually pretty calm when it comes to booing and stuff like that.

[pretendastronaut]

I think its probably better for his own sanity really. Of anyone on the roster, the fans have the most fickle relationship with Turnbow. As has been discussed before, fans never remember the times he's on, they only remember the times he's off, and he gets pummelled for it probably more than anyone. And I think the bulk of his problems are mental, so knowing 40,000+ booing fans are just past the next pitch can't be easy. It goes back to the question that was asked many, many times in the booing thread that was never answered, what does booing a player accomplish. Appartently nothing much positive.

[giffted1]

I guess if some internet rumor about a Dunn trade means that a deal is imminent then Turnbow saying that he hasn't talked to management about a trade means he wants to be traded.

 

Unless they know something that we don't (which I highly doubt), WSSP is trying to make a big news story out of nothing again.

[davego]

They do need a topic.

 

This has been covered before, but I'm going to guess that from the average fans point-of-view, it isn't if he has struggled, but the manner in which he does. We know the numbers point out that he has been productive. But when he is not...he is not.

 

Anyone recall how Rob Deer was booed pretty good @ one of the opening days. This was after a year in which he k'ed ton and I think hit just over or under .200. I'm guessing that in the OPS view of things he had just come off an at-least average season...but not the view the fans took.

 

Just an analogy that came to mind.

[SZBrewerFan]

Amen, if he wants to be gone let him go. This guy has the mental toughness of a 5 year old. Derrick if you don't like people booing you try doing your job. It's one thing to come in and have batters beat you with quality at bats, its an entire different thing to come in and walk hitter by throwing pitches that aren't even close. Derrick gets criticism that he deserves.

[davego]

As a fan I choose to rarly boo, but those that want to certainly can. Those of us that don't like it can express that as well. As far as Derrick goes; this might not be the best way for him to go about it. Going to draw the boo-birds out this way...

[M Skjellyfetti]

I don't think you can really blame Turnbow (for saying this to TH or for possibly wanting a trade). First, as has been mentioned before, it's not like Turnbow sought out the media in a press conference to say he hates people booing him and might want to be traded. He probably just answered a question about how much he gets booed honestly. I can never fault a guy for being honest like that. Second, I certainly wouldn't blame him if he did want out of Milwaukee. For whatever reason, the fans have treated him like crap the past two years. Anytime he walks a batter or gives up a single run after countless scoreless innings, the boos rain down. I wouldn't want to play here if I was him.

[crewcrazy]

I'd be interested to see the context of the quote...the way it looks in print, my guess would be that they asked him if he had thought about playing elsewhere because of the boos, and he answered honestly (which is probably a mistake when you're dealing with Haudricourt). Turnbow seems like a great guy and it stinks to see him get treated the way he does at his own home stadium...maybe he's just one of those guys who needs a change of scenery every once and awhile.

[bklynbrewcrew]

Throw strikes and you wont get booed. Its as simple as that. These guys are all making millions of dollars yet they complain about booing. Why is it that Brewers players seem to do more complaining about booing than any other teams players. Trust me the Milwaukee fans are far better to the players than places like New York and Philadelphia.

[Team Canada]

(The booing) wears you down.

 

 

So does watching you fall apart, Derrick.

 

 

I can sympathize with his feeling, but at the same time, there's a simple solution. Throw strikes.

[windiv07]

I'd be interested to see the context of the quote...the way it looks in print, my guess would be that they asked him if he had thought about playing elsewhere because of the boos, and he answered honestly (which is probably a mistake when you're dealing with Haudricourt). Turnbow seems like a great guy and it stinks to see him get treated the way he does at his own home stadium...maybe he's just one of those guys who needs a change of scenery every once and awhile.

Bingo CC,

The press gave him a venue to vent and he did (pretty diplomatically I might add). Nobody likes to get booed. I don't doubt this was the only objection they teed up for him in their questions. Reading deeper, what I see is that he felt a little overwhelmed by the extra work late in the season, explains this as the reason for the loss of command recently, and that he accepts that this contributed to the erosion of his performance since 2005 (and it seems to me this happened when he was with the Angels before he arrived in Milwaukee). The booing being a result of fail;ures is separate from the real issue. I take his 'time off this winter' comment as an expression of his desire to sort this out, which is a healthy sign he has matured since he became part of the Brewers.

 

In his defense, IMO, Turnbow was Yosted several times (I witnessed this 3 times) when Shouse should have been brought in to face a left-handed stacked lineup of hitters in the 8th to shake things up before the call was made for Turnbow. I remember these occasions vividly and they all resulted in losses. This should probably be made in another thread (sorry) but the Yost apologists conveniently ignore these facts when pinning the blame on pitching.

[brewcrew00]

I don't have any sympathy for this, it's professional sports and people have been booing long before Turnbow was blowing games. I say get him out of here and let's find someone with a tougher mental state than a t-ball player.

[Thurston Fluff]

Maybe it is time for him to leave. As has been mentioned when he's on he's great. When he's not he really bad. If Ned has to get someone up every time Turnbow comes into a game just in case the bad T-Bow shows up it's adding to the workload of the pen. It diminishes his value somewhat if he needs to have a backup ready to go every time he's in a game. He does get booed more than he should and I understand it wears on a person but he has 3 millionish reasons to get over it and do his job. If they do keep him I hope he gets moved into a middle relief role as opposed to set up. I think he'd be better at that and the team would have time to make p some runs when bad Turnbow raises it's ugly head.

[LS Brewer]

In his defense, IMO, Turnbow was Yosted several times (I witnessed this 3 times) when Shouse should have been brought in to face a left-handed stacked lineup of hitters in the 8th to shake things up before the call was made for Turnbow.

 

I disagree with this criticism of Yost. Turnbow was a closer and stated before this season that he wanted to be a closer again. To do that, he has to be able to get out rightys and leftys. It wasn't Yost's fault in the instances you describe that Turnbow didn't live up to his own expectations. Besides, the times Yost called for Turnbow in the middle of an inning were the times that Turnbow seemed most to fail.

 

I feel bad for Turnbow, hope he's around next season, and wish he would not be booed. But his problems with the fans are certainly more his own fault than the fault of the manager.

[biedergb]

Should we be complaining about the times we cheered him on only to be let down?

 

I'm sure booing wears you down, but it's not like we never had his back -- he was hero in '05, revered in the first half of '06, still welcomed back in '07 with a great 1st two months. Then his meltdown in Philly, and his inability to be effective two days in a row. Someone can correct me, but it was July when the boo birds started, and it wasn't just T-bow, but a handful of other ineffective players (mostly relievers).

[DougJones43]

In his defense, IMO, Turnbow was Yosted several times (I witnessed this 3 times) when Shouse should have been brought in to face a left-handed stacked lineup of hitters in the 8th to shake things up before the call was made for Turnbow.

I disagree with this criticism of Yost. Turnbow was a closer and stated before this season that he wanted to be a closer again...It wasn't Yost's fault in the instances you describe that Turnbow didn't live up to his own expectations.

 

Wait, the players get to decide what their role on the team is? Doesn't the manager have the ability to veto these ideas? I thought that's why he's the manager. I sure hope that Ben Sheets doesn't decide he wants to bat cleanup next season. Or Yovani Gallardo doesn't decide he wants to see if he can pitch with his foot. We'd be screwed, and the manager would be powerless to stop it.

[sweepscc]

The 'bows better against lefties than righties. When would you bring T-blow in?