Steve Bartman

[Patrick425]

The other day, for whatever reason, I became curious about Steve Bartman and his wherabouts. Has anyone ever heard anything about what he is doing now? Where he is living? I could not find anything on the internet. Has he ever done an interview? I'm just curious as to what happens to a person after going through what he went through. I wonder if he has ever attempted to go to another Cubs game or if he's even still a Cub fan.

 

Also, was he alone at that game?

[nsimps]

There was a big article on Bartman about a year ago. It was one of those big sunday articles that ESPN.com that they used to do. It was pretty good.

[Patrick425]

If anyone has a link to that article, I would love to see it.

 

I have this facination with his story. I can't imagine that happening to me. To go from being an "average joe" to being a national story in a very negative way. One day you're excited about your favorite team being in the playoffs. You have great seats, life is good. The next thing you know you are hated by every fan of that team because they believe your actions prevented that team from going to the WS for the first time in 60 years.

 

I just always thought that it would make a great documentary or even a book. Does he still live with it day to day? How did it effect his life?

[lcbj68c]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Bartman

 

Looks like no new articles are sightings.

[dadofandrew]

1. Much like Bill Buckner, it's so pathetic he has been labeled like this.

 

2. If he does not touch it, one of several others would have.

 

3. I have yet to see an angle that looks like Alou had a play anyway. I feel he played it up for the umpires and it just got away from there.

[brettac1]

Yeah, basically if Gonzalez makes a play on a routine DP ball there's no story aside from Prior losing his shutout, which was a possible result of Bartman's trying to catch the ball.

[JoeHova]

1. Much like Bill Buckner, it's so pathetic he has been labeled like this.

 

Pathetic in what way? Plenty of people are remembered solely for one moment in time, whether it's something great (that New York subway guy who jumped on the kid having a seizure) or terrible (Seung-Hui Cho). That's just life. The public shouldn't be expected to learn someone's whole life story before deciding whether to like or dislike someone. There's not enough time in the day. I feel bad for Bartman and Buckner, but they both messed up bad and they are remembered for that. Those are the breaks.

[TooLiveBrew]

The public shouldn't be expected to learn someone's whole life story before deciding whether to like or dislike someone. There's not enough time in the day.

 

Hooray laziness. Why should you ever make an informed decision? Who has the time?

[M Skjellyfetti]

I think Al's saying it's pathetic that he's being blamed for the Cubs losing, when in all reality the Cubs still had to implode on the field, and (as he mentioned in his post) someone else would have gotten to the ball had Bartman not, and Moises Alou probably didn't even have a play at the ball, much less a very good chance of making the catch. So I think it's pretty debatable whether Bartman "messed up bad" or not.

[Diskono]

Bartman had almost zero impact on the game. I'd have a very hard time accepting fact *any* one foul ball could change the outcome of a game, much less a 7-game series. Bartman had nothing to do with Alex Gonzalez or Mark Prior's screw-ups, or the Cubs losing the next games.

[homer]

"I feel bad for Bartman and Buckner, but they both messed up bad and they are remembered for that."

 

I still don't see how a non athlete making an effort at a 50/50 in play/out of play ball with five other people reaching for it is considered "messing up".

[Patrick425]

I found the ESPN article. It's a good read....but still leaves me wanting to know more.

 

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/eticket/story?page=bartman

[Houlie24x]

3. I have yet to see an angle that looks like Alou had a play anyway. I feel he played it up for the umpires and it just got away from there.

Alou's glove was almost directly under the ball or pretty close to the point where it would have at least hit the end of the glove.

 

[JoeHova]

The public shouldn't be expected to learn someone's whole life story before deciding whether to like or dislike someone. There's not enough time in the day.

 

Hooray laziness. Why should you ever make an informed decision? Who has the time?

 

I'm all for informed decisions. However, there literally isn't enough time in the day to learn about every person one hears about. Judging people based on isolated events is the human condition.

[WV Brew]

Alou failed to call Bartman off the ball. Alou's fault for failure of communication.

[billyhallfan]

didn't the marlins buy him a condo down in florida after the series?

 

i thought i heard this.

[homer]

Judging people based on isolated events is the human condition.

No it isn't.

[BREWCREW5]

Homer, it most certainly is.

 

 

[homer]

"Homer, it most certainly is. "

 

Maybe it is instinct, but an evolved person knows to ignore that. Kinda like the instinct to procreate is tempered by social mores preventing guys from jumping girls whenever they want. So if someone chooses to make a rash judgement based on isolated events then they are either lazy and/or not very bright and will probably succumb to the laws of Darwin sooner rather than later.

[JoeHova]

"Homer, it most certainly is. "

 

Maybe it is instinct, but an evolved person knows to ignore that. Kinda like the instinct to procreate is tempered by social mores preventing guys from jumping girls whenever they want. So if someone chooses to make a rash judgement based on isolated events then they are either lazy and/or not very bright and will probably succumb to the laws of Darwin sooner rather than later.

 

Huh? So, I guess every time you hear a song you don't like, you rush out to buy the album and listen to the whole thing several times, just to confirm that you didn't like it? Or if you don't like a book you read, you make sure to check out all of the author's other books? Also, I take what you said at the end and the implied comparison of me to a rapist as an insult. I do my best to make informed decisions, to the extent that my wife gets upset with me, I just don't go out of my way to judge other people who do make quick judgments.

[RockCoCougars]

I still say Alou has a play on that ball if the fan doesn't interfere. Look at that catch that Braun made last night. The home fans were smart enough to make way. Not sure why everyone always wants to stick up for Bartman. Say what you want, that one play kicked off an unfortunate series of events.

[Rightomac13]

I don't want to take credit for this as I saw it a little while ago, but I don't remember if it was on here or another board. Anyways, this is definitely a good read and video.

 

http://homerderby.com/archives/1180