Time to quit the experimenting!

[Weirdos19]

Ned needs to go back to the 25 man roster and only deviate when it comes to pinch running or eating innings in a blowout.

Jenks and Gross need to start against all RHP. Dillon has been hot, but he can be used as a pinch hitter. I think we all have seen why he isn't a every day outfielder. Plus, Mench is pretty good versus lefties.

No more need for days off just to get Counsell at bats. It's crunch time, and if you can't make it on adrenaline alone, you need to be somewhere else. Hart, Gross, and Jenkins versus RHP, and Hart, Hall, and Mench/Dillon versus LHP. No reason to deviate from this, it has worked pretty well.

Linebrink, Turnbow, King, Shouse, Capuano, and Cordero should be all that's used out of the pen unless we are up or down five runs. That's six pretty solid relievers. Manny Parra can be used if healthy. No reason to have Stetter, McClung, Wise, or Aquino even close to the mound in a game where the final outcome hasn't been reached.

Maybe we should start a petition and send it to the front office.

[billyhallfan]

he isn't going to change what he is doing, i agree with you 100% but we as fans need to get over it and just wait until Yost gets canned.

[JohnBriggs12]

Yost staked his managerial future (and the Brewer postseason hopes) on a guy (Dillon) who prior to being inserted into the every day lineup, had 84 major league AB's at age 32 and another guy (Gross) with a bit more experience but never as a regular with up and down results over the guy who is second all-time in Brewer history in HR and in the top 5 in most offensive categories, and another guy who was the team MVP just a year ago.

 

He made is bed, and he'll have to lie in it.

[1992casey]

No more need for days off just to get Counsell at bats.

At bats for Counsell certainly shouldn't be a motivation for playing him. However, someone reported in an in-game thread that Hardy is nursing a groin injury. If that's the case, and if occasionally starting Craig helps ensure that Hardy can be available most of the time, I'm fine with an occasional Counsell start. It'd be a problem if J.J. suddenly couldn't be available at all.

Yost staked his managerial future (and the Brewer postseason hopes) on ... another guy (Gross) with a bit more experience but never as a regular with up and down results...

I'm fine with the Gross/Hall platoon that Ned has tended to use. But Jenkins (and probably Mench) should be starting in left.

[pitchleague]

I thought Hardy had a toe injury. Maybe it's both? He sure runs with a strange gait on doubles. Almost hobbling.

[markedman5]

another day another new lineup.

 

Weeks sits tonight because he is 0-8 against Hudson even though he has Homered in his last 3 games.

 

 

Has Ned ever heard of the term small sample?

 

 

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[GenoSeligPrieb]

Seeing Dillon, obviously miscast as a right fielder, doing his best Matt Stairs Flop last night, was sickening. Ned has so many real outfielders at his disposal, yet he puts a 3rd baseman out there in such a key game. This, coming from the same manager who's so committed to defense, that he regularly pulls Braun way too early, just to get Counsell in there as a "defensive specialist".

 

And Ned's devotion to Wise is similar to his affinity for Obermueller. Just keep trotting him out there, regardless of the trends, or the game situation.

 

As long as we're still mathematically alive for the NL Central title, if Ned brings in Wise again this season, I want to see Mark and Doug walk out from the owner's box, down to the dugout, and in front of the fans, publicly fire Ned on the spot.

[bobskube]

I really, really hope this Ned Yost line of thinking costs him his job. It has been amazing the amount of people who have turned on Yost throughout this season...myself included. Not many people blaming the players and defending Yost anymore.

 

It almost makes me wonder...would it be better to make the playoffs and lose because of Yost or just tank and get Yost fired? I want the Brewers to make the playoffs more than anybody and i hope they do. However, what scares me is that if the Crew does not make the playoffs and they keep Yost. I also think that it would be an easy fire job for Melvin because Yost has very little support anymore.

[rluzinski]

Weeks sits tonight because he is 0-8 against Hudson even though he has Homered in his last 3 games.

 

Come on. Counsell has a .326 OBP over the last two years. How could you not want that leading off? The fact that Yost prides himself in "knowing the numbers" would be funny if it wasn't so depressing.

[GenoSeligPrieb]

"I want the Brewers to make the playoffs more than anybody and i hope they do. However, what scares me is that if the Crew does not make the playoffs and they keep Yost."

 

I fear this too, Skube.

 

As I noted earlier this week, factors IN Ned's favor (regardless of whether he CAUSED them or not) include possible record attendance, a winning season for the first time in 15 years, and a better image for the franchise.

 

But honesttogod, if they make the playoffs, and win a series, I'll lay off Ned, and give him another year. I know that sounds silly, but I don't care who manages us if we win. A first round exit? Nah, I blame Ned for losing games in-season, which led to an unfavorable seeding, and that quick end to the season. So, I'd still call for a change.

 

But to be fair, if we win round 1, and are among the final 4, it's tough for me to complain. Doesn't mean I can't or won't, it'll just be tougher. And if they win the pennant, then I can't say no. And if they win the World Series? Then we're stuck with him like the White Sox are with Guillen.

 

However, I don't see them in the playoffs anyway, so we'll likely have a new manager next year. Or at least we should...

[billyhallfan]

It has been amazing the amount of people who have turned on Yost throughout this season

 

i was very wrong, very wrong about yost, this lineup tonight makes no sense to me, once I saw it, i thought of this thread right away.

 

Yost is a moron.

[TuesdaysWithRillo]

Yost staked his managerial future (and the Brewer postseason hopes) on a guy (Dillon) who prior to being inserted into the every day lineup, had 84 major league AB's at age 32 and another guy (Gross) with a bit more experience but never as a regular with up and down results over the guy who is second all-time in Brewer history in HR and in the top 5 in most offensive categories, and another guy who was the team MVP just a year ago.

Yes and I would argue that it has worked rather well in September. The Brewers are 12-7 so far in Sept. Give credit where credit is due.

[Diskono]

To be fair we have been winning more since all of the september call-ups arrived. Whether or not we've been winning despite Ned is up in the air.

[Fatter than Joey]

Yes and I would argue that it has worked rather well in September. The Brewers are 12-7 so far in Sept. Give credit where credit is due

 

12-7 Is decent -- but here is the thing -- since Sept. 1 we have gained no ground on the Cubs, so clearly 12-7 is not good enough.

 

At this point in the season we cannot pick an arbitrary benchmark like .500 and declare anything above that "rather well". We entered Sep. 1.5 GB the Cubs, so for Sep. to be a success we need to be "Cubs+1.5".

 

When Yost is in a sprint with the Cubs and starts Dillon in RF, and leads off Counsell because someone went 0-8, I would say that is troubling.

 

Treading water is no longer an option, time to sink or swim

[dadofandrew]

The September success is not a surprise at all, as the Crew's depth is very good. Their 26th-30th best is probably among the top 5 in the game, so they have helped more.

 

As for any other standard, .632 ball is excellent, albeit a small sample. I'm not going to base my feelings on things out of control, such as how the Cubs do.

[Fatter than Joey]

The September success is not a surprise at all, as the Crew's depth is very good.

 

I think the biggest contribution to the Sep. success has been the ballsy starts of Villy/Yo and a couple of good Suppan/Bush starts, coupled with some baby-seal outings by guys like Albers and Dumright -- not the depth

 

Their 26th-30th best is probably among the top 5 in the game, so they have helped more.

 

I am sure Counsell and Dillon have helped our team, but that does not mean Dillon should be starting in RF and Counsell should not be leading off because Weeks had an 0-8. I agree with the original poster -- if our "depth" is used to PH, PR, and D-sub, super, if our "depth" is making their first start in RF, that is silly.

 

I'm not going to base my feelings on things out of control, such as how the Cubs do

 

I am not sure what your feelings have to do with the price of tea in China, and why anyone should care about them. Yost's job is to get more wins than the Cubs, currently he is behind, and he needs to be aware of that. Certainly a team like the Angels is going to be managed differently than a team like the Red Sox because of their relation to their 2nd place rival. The point of this thread, is more about starting your best players to maximize your wins and not leave wins on the table, regardless if you have a .632 pct in Sep.

 

To use a FB analogy, it would be like being happy with a team that lost a close game in the 4th Q., that had a 6+ yards/carry average in the 4th Q., but ran out of time.

 

I am glad the Brewers have depth, but at this point in the season I don't want to see the depth starting, I want to see the best players starting. I want to see Yost in sprint mode not marathon mode.

[Weirdos19]

Thought I would bump this up with Hall playing every day and McClung pitching every night.