9/19/2007 Milwaukee (Bush) at Houston (Gutirrez) 7:05 CDT

[JrDave2304]

if he's managing like it's the last game of the season, then why do you leave Cordero sitting and getting splinters?

[biedergb]

Ned Yost should be fired ... now that's just unconscious knowledge

[The Ignitor]

Inexcusable loss. The first person who talks statistics to justify the loss ought to join Yost in getting skewered in the press room after this game. A huge opportunity absolutely given away. Now the sledding gets much tougher against much better pitching than we've seen here. Hard to say we need a miracle when you're only a game down, but this game will only give you so many chances.

[bobskube]

That was the worst game that Yost managed all year...and that says a lot. He got lucky on a couple, but the overall badness exudes a very putrid stench.

[twobrewers]

I have to admit - I do feel bad for Wise.

 

He was a really great relief pitcher for us not to long ago. He always seemed like a good guy.

 

But the fact remains...he just doesn't have "it" anymore.

[EdgarDiazRocks]

If Ned Yost is not fired after this season, I am no longer a Brewer fan and am going to change my allegiance over to the Chicago team we are battling for a division title.

good luck with that.

 

[JET15]

If Ned Yost is not fired after this season, I am no longer a Brewer fan and am going to change my allegiance over to the Chicago team we are battling for a division title.

Just typing that is treason

 

[PrinceFielder28]

off to dream that didn't just happen

[sheethead]

But it's ok, we can use Cordero in the next game. Just keep saving him until then!

 

But in the words of Ned Yost (and I have heard it), "It's not a save situation, dumb ass."

[SoCal Brew Crew Fan]

Did Coco wear himself out in the pen getting hot? I really can't believe it...I'm not even a Yost-basher...but that was mindboggling. Please tell me there is an excuse.

[MNBrew]

To heck with Bush's 7th inning jinx. Looking at how poorly the bullpen pitched, why in the world didn't they leave Bush in? It's not like he would've done much worse. For as much as he's been shaky lately, he was pitching well. I don't get it.

 

Man, that's twice in the past week, I believe, where a very promising game situation in the late innings has gone just the opposite of how it could've/should've gone. At least there were some clutch play to bring it back to even.

 

Still, they won 2 out of 3 in Houston, and the Braves, knock on wood, haven't been lighting the world on fire lately.

 

Hard not to keep thinking, though, that this could've been 3 out of 3.

 

Anyone else notice that the Reds had the go-ahead run (that pesky Norris Hopper, no less) thrown out at the plate by a mile to end their 8th, then the Cubs catch the breaks and get the go-ahead run across in their half of the 8th? I'm sure tired of those dumb Cubs catching breaks at the wrong time (from the Brewers perspective).

[JohnBriggs12]

Yep, you bring in Matt Wise to face the heart of the Astro order with a very well rested closer getting even more rest.

 

That was the definition of Yosted right there.

 

Heck Capuano would have been better than Wise there. Or how about Vargas? Oh yeah he wasn't available because our $10 million dollar "ace" hurt himself warming up last night.

[sheethead]

Last post of the night for me, but had to get it off my chest. Did it seem like Gabe Gross struck out 9 times tonight? Yeah, 9 times.

[MNBrew]

I'm not anti-Yost at all, but some of the moves tonight were bad. That said, if the guys execute, then the plan doesn't totally backfire. However....

 

Matt Wise is nothing short of atrocious and had no business being in a clutch spot in a pennant race game after the first two baserunners reached. He's a great guy and a good injury-comeback success story. But right now he's pitching like crap.

 

I hope he doesn't pitch the rest of the season unless the Brewers' lead is 6 runs or greater. Kinda like the original "protect Valerio de los Santos" criteria. Anyway, hopefully their opponents don't have a lead of anything greater than 2 runs the next two weeks.

[getupgetouttaheregone]

Why are the Cubs worried about the Brewers opposing pitchers, when they have Ned Yost running the ship?

[SeriesFinale]

I'm not anti-Yost at all, but some of the moves tonight were bad. That said, if the guys execute, then the plan doesn't totally backfire. However....

 

Matt Wise is nothing short of atrocious and had no business being in a clutch spot in a pennant race game after the first two baserunners reached. He's a great guy and a good injury-comeback success story. But right now he's pitching like crap.

 

I hope he doesn't pitch the rest of the season unless the Brewers' lead is 6 runs or greater. Kinda like the original "protect Valerio de los Santos" criteria. Anyway, hopefully their opponents don't have a lead of anything greater than 2 runs the next two weeks.

 

Well, yeah--that's why everyone is all over Yost for putting Matt in that situation. EVERYONE BUT YOST saw it coming.

[pebadger]

But I assume Yost is responsible for those decisions, so he's to blame, so it's his fault?

If a manager isn't responsible for his decision-making, you don't need a manager. Being a game manger is about decisionmaking.

 

Tonight isn't Yost's 'fault' any more than it is a lot of player's 'fault' I agree with you that many people are way to quick to want to affix blame for things. Cery often there is nobody to reasonably blame for the way things turn out, whether you're talking about baseball or anything else. But that doesn't maen that you simply throw up your hands and attribute everything to fate, either. People do make decisions, and over the long run you evaluate those decisions in the big picture. Individual decisions are sometimes scrutinized more than they should be in terms of thier immediate impact, but if you don't think that there are at least reasonable questions to be asked about how Ned goes about his business, I guesss we don't have much else to talk about.

 

 

[JrDave2304]

if you close a tight game pitching Spurling, Stetter, and Wise consecutively can you honestly expect to win that game? maybe before Wise plunked the guy in the face, but that's only if Spurling and Stetter miraculously get through their inning (which they somehow managed to do). i must say though, i was extremely disappointed in the way Linebrink and Shouse pitched tonight. i am perhaps even more disappointed that we yanked Bush after 6 innings with only 78 pitches. sure he struggles in the 7th, but come on at least let him face batters until he gives up a hit or a walk.

 

disappointing loss, but if we at least split with the Braves we should be in decent shape. a series win would be enormous...5-2 road trip would be ideal

[brewswinga2]

Bush couldn't pitch the 7th because he ran 1st to 3rd? That's either a terrible excuse for not pinch running for him or Dave Bush needs to do some endurance training.

[sheetswannabe]

I cant believe Yost said he had Cappy, Mcclung, and Aquino in the bullpen. He didnt even mention Cordero, way to try to lie Ned, you blew the game!

[SeriesFinale]

disappointing loss, but if we at least split with the Braves we should be in decent shape. a series win would be enormous...5-2 road trip would be ideal

 

That's why tonight's loss is expecially disappointing and angering... a sweep against a bad Houston team gives the Crew much more breathing room in Atlanta.

[rotoherb]

Splitting with Atlanta likely won't get it done. If the Cubs go 5-4 against terrible teams, the Brewers will need to go 8-3 to pass them. Considering who the Cubs play, the Brewers may need to go 8-3 just to tie them.

[phatmatt1215]

Bush couldn't pitch the 7th because he ran 1st to 3rd? That's either a terrible excuse for not pinch running for him or Dave Bush needs to do some endurance training.

 

As soon as I saw him running first to third, I said to myself that Bush is somehow going to go bad the rest of the night... I don't know how he fared after that, but I wouldn't be surprised if that's why he came out when he did.

 

[JrDave2304]

disappointing loss, but if we at least split with the Braves we should be in decent shape. a series win would be enormous...5-2 road trip would be ideal

That's why tonight's loss is expecially disappointing and angering... a sweep against a bad Houston team gives the Crew much more breathing room in Atlanta.

oh don't get me wrong, i understand that. hate to not get a sweep heading into Atlanta, especially after coming back in the 9th like we did.

 

assuming the Cubs go 5-4, which considering who they're facing they should at least do, we'll need to take 3 of 4 from either the Braves or Padres, at least split the other one and sweep the Cardinals (because it's hard to see us taking 3 of 4 from both the Padres and the Braves considering the aces each team has).

 

we really need some help from the Pirates, Marlins, and Reds

[SeriesFinale]

disappointing loss, but if we at least split with the Braves we should be in decent shape. a series win would be enormous...5-2 road trip would be ideal

That's why tonight's loss is expecially disappointing and angering... a sweep against a bad Houston team gives the Crew much more breathing room in Atlanta.

oh don't get me wrong, i understand that. hate to not get a sweep heading into Atlanta, especially after coming back in the 9th like we did.

 

assuming the Cubs go 5-4, which considering who they're facing they should at least do, we'll need to take 3 of 4 from either the Braves or Padres, at least split the other one and sweep the Cardinals (because it's hard to see us taking 3 of 4 from both the Padres and the Braves considering the aces each team has).

 

we really need some help from the Pirates, Marlins, and Reds

Yeah, I wasn't disagreeing or anything.

Wow, what a disheartening turn of events.