Number of different lineups Ned has used ?

[2hoophead]

This was the Crew's 149th game tonight.

Anybody know how many different lineups Yost has trotted out this year?? Has to be some kind of record; they keep stats on everything these days...

[pitchleague]

don't know the exact numbers, but I remember hearing/reading about this just a few weeks ago. Ned Yost isn't even close to the most in the majors. I think the Mets, Phillies, and Indians (maybe more) had more lineups than the Brewers. Red Sox, too, I think.

[sbrylski]

He could use 162 different lineups, I wouldn't care. Big fuss over basically nothing, when people critize Yost because of it.

[DougJones43]

For the most part, I've really liked the lineups Ned has put together for most of the season. The only problems I had were Estrada batting 5th for too long, and TGJ and Mench getting a few too many starts earlier in the year. Other than that, I've been a big fan of the lineups he's put together, particularly lately. Giving Weeks the leadoff spot back was certainly a big gamble the opened Ned up to criticism, but I think it was a good move. I also like that Dillon is seeing some playing time. I think he gives the team some "professional" at-bats that the lineup was lacking before.

There have been some bold decisions, but I like a majority of them. In an ideal world, maybe he could come to the park, fill out the lineup card, and then call it a day and go home. http://static.yuku.com//domainskins/bypass/img/smileys/wink.gif

[2hoophead]

...never said or meant to imply that I did not like the fact of all the different lineups.

 

All I asked was if anybody knew how many different ones there have been this year...ssshhhh

[1992casey]

All I asked was if anybody knew how many different ones there have been this year...ssshhhh

Yeah, we have lots of Yost threads where we can opine. It'd be interesting to see if 2hoophead's question can be answered, though. Like pitchleague, I recall reading something several weeks ago. But like 2hoophead, I can't think of an easy way to look up this information.

[RU Rah Rah]

Baseball-Reference.com says "77 total lineups." By way of comparison, Cubs have 100; Cards, 112; Reds, 76.

[Fatter than Joey]

The only problems I had were Estrada batting 5th for too long, and TGJ and Mench getting a few too many starts earlier in the year.

 

I agree -- I would think with the lack of injuries to our position players, and lack of personnel movement -- our lineup totals would be pretty low

[1992casey]

How did you pull that off RU Rah Rah?

[Ennder]

Brewers have used 100 different batting orders in 148 games.

 

Mets have used 98 orders.

Cubs have used 117 orders

Arizona has used 136 orders.

 

None of that was including pitchers, yes Arizona has had a different order almost every game this year and their most common one was used 3 times. We are no different than anyone else.

[RU Rah Rah]

Ennder is correct. (I looked at the "lineups" rather than the "batting orders" tally. I'm assuming that the difference is that Ned has used 77 different sets of 8 different position players, and that he's shuffled those 77 sets to come up with 100 different batting orders.)

 

Although I happen to think that Ned shuffles too much, he probably doesn't do it more than most managers in the NL. What does strike me as weird is that this is the most frequently-used batting order (nine times):

 

1. Weeks

2. Hardy

3. Fielder

4. Hall

5. Estrada

6. Mench

7. Hart

8. Graffy

[Patrick425]

Baseball-Reference.com says "77 total lineups." By way of comparison, Cubs have 100; Cards, 112; Reds, 76.

Although I have always enjoyed stats, I'm not nearly as well versed on stats as many of the posters here. I went to that Baseball-Reference.com and could not find where they list line-ups or batting orders. There was a link to lineups under teams on the left..but it took me directly to the Cards and it looked like it was 2006 info.

 

This came up before in another thread, but I'm curious as to how lineup (batting orders) now compare to that of 30 years ago. My guess would be that there were far fewer (at least 20% less) different batting orders used by teams back then. Is there any way to get this information on Baseball-reference, or do you need a subscription?

[1992casey]

Baseball-Reference has a subscription area that I haven't tried outside of the free demo. You may subscribe by the day, month, or year. I'll have to cough up $1.35 and give it a heavy 24-hour test drive.

[Fatter than Joey]

My guess would be that there were far fewer (at least 20% less) different batting orders used by teams back then.

 

I think at the end of the day -- you would probably see about what you do now.

 

Some managers were the tweaker kind (Rogers) and some like Kuehn probably ran the same lineup out there day after day. There were managers that used their bench, and there were some that never used it.

 

I think when you see a team that has a lot of lineups, that is probably more a function of injuries and player/personnel changes, rather than changes in lineup philosophy.

[endaround]

My biggest problem with Yost's lineup were when he would hit Fielder-Estrada-Jenkins-Gross. Basically it was Turing test for the other manger, if he didn't bring in a left handed reliever to face that group he was brain dead. And then of course Yost would wait until Gross to pinch hit so Mench could then face the right handed pitcher ready to come in.

[Ennder]

The 1982 Brewers only used 74 batting orders but by 1984 they used 102 batting orders and in 85 they used 133 batting orders. Its been pretty common for 25 years or so to see 100+ different orders per team per year.

[Patrick425]

The 1982 Brewers only used 74 batting orders but by 1984 they used 102 batting orders and in 85 they used 133 batting orders. Its been pretty common for 25 years or so to see 100+ different orders per team per year.

Hmm..interesting. Thanks for the info Ennder. Can I ask where you got it? I would still be curious to see a league "average" throughout the years...maybe even going back to the 60's or 70's. I could be wrong, but my hunch is that you would see an upward trend in that graph. I'm not saying that it's right or wrong to use various batting orders/lineups, but I'm curious to see what the trend has been. I'd also be curious to see both lineup and batting order trends.

[Ennder]

http://www.baseball-reference.com/teams/MIL/2007.shtml

Click on the tab that says batting orders. You can look at full combined season stats for any year any league as well but they don't have the lineup/batting orders broken down by league, just by team.

[logan82]

Ennder is correct. (I looked at the "lineups" rather than the "batting orders" tally. I'm assuming that the difference is that Ned has used 77 different sets of 8 different position players, and that he's shuffled those 77 sets to come up with 100 different batting orders.)

 

Although I happen to think that Ned shuffles too much, he probably doesn't do it more than most managers in the NL. What does strike me as weird is that this is the most frequently-used batting order (nine times):

 

1. Weeks

2. Hardy

3. Fielder

4. Hall

5. Estrada

6. Mench

7. Hart

8. Graffy

 

That looks like our batting lineup from the start of the year before we knew Hart was going to be a stud, Hall was gonna be down, Estrada was less than expected, and Braun was not called up. This was a feeling out stage of the year.

[Patrick425]

Click on the tab that says batting orders. You can look at full combined season stats for any year any league as well but they don't have the lineup/batting orders broken down by league, just by team.

Again, thanks for the info. Is there an easier way to pick a specific year. It seems like you click 2006, then you can look at 2005, then you can look at 2004, etc. Is there somewhere I can just type the year and jump to it?

[Ennder]

Click on the tab that says batting orders. You can look at full combined season stats for any year any league as well but they don't have the lineup/batting orders broken down by league, just by team.

Again, thanks for the info. Is there an easier way to pick a specific year. It seems like you click 2006, then you can look at 2005, then you can look at 2004, etc. Is there somewhere I can just type the year and jump to it?

http://www.baseball-reference.com/leagues/

[Patrick425]

Thanks. I'm a little slow sometimes. I think I'm beginning to understand how to navigate that site now.