Ankiel Received 12 month supply of HGH in '04 (merged with TheBrewer's Ankiel's Punishment thread)

[Tailgat0r76]

Link

 

Maybe not such a feel good story after all?

 

 

Edit: Steve Woodard too? Wow.

 

 

(added tag --1992)

[YoGo24]

Man there goes that feel good story. That guys career goes straight down the drain

[chowyo123]

Man there goes that feel good story. That guys career goes straight down the drain

I'm not so sure how you can say his career goes straight down the drain from this. In that article it says

Ankiel, 28, has not been accused by authorities of wrongdoing, and according to the Signature records obtained by The News, he stopped receiving HGH just before Major League Baseball officially banned it in 2005.

[tomwopat]

I'm sorry, I must have missed something, is there a test for HGH now? This smells like a smear job to me, although it's completely concievable that he may have enlisted the help of some chemical assistance to aid his recovery.

[RU Rah Rah]

Yeah, I agree that this isn't a career-ender. (What is in MLB these days, anyway? You basically have to pull a Jason Grimsley.) But it does cast a pall of suspicion over him, whether it's justified or not.

 

So, just to clarify: before MLB formally banned it, it was legal to possess HGH without a doctor's authorization/prescription?

[jeffy]

The article says he had a prescription...Ankiel's prescriptions were signed by Florida physician William Gogan

 

The legal issues seem to be about the Doctor and pharmacies not Ankiel...seems like much ado about not much. If he used HGH, when it was not banned, so what.

 

Ankiel, 28, has not been accused by authorities of wrongdoing...Prosecutors have said clinics similar to as THARC paid physicians to sign prescriptions for clients they never saw - a violation of New York and Florida law - which were then filled at Signature and other pharmacies and shipped to clients.

[RyDogg66]

Where were all the people who were saying that Rodney Harrison's career is going right down the drain after he was suspended 4 games for HGH.

 

The thing I dont understand with fans is the general malaise towards football players being suspended left and right for drug use (Merriman, Harrison, Peppers) while the accusation that a baseball player taking drugs is the worst thing in the world.

 

Seems a little bit of a double standard to me.

[1992casey]

brewcrew00's post above from the duplicate thread has been merged into this discussion.

[brewcrew00]

Sorry about that, I didn't see this thread when I looked for it, must have been an oversight on my part. I'm deleting my post.

 

On this topic though, regardles of if he was involved in any wrongdoing he now has a black eye on all he's accomplished. The red flag has been raised, and now he's lumped in with "that group."

[BrewCrewForever]

Where were all the people who were saying that Rodney Harrison's career is going right down the drain after he was suspended 4 games for HGH.

 

The thing I dont understand with fans is the general malaise towards football players being suspended left and right for drug use (Merriman, Harrison, Peppers) while the accusation that a baseball player taking drugs is the worst thing in the world.

 

Seems a little bit of a double standard to me.

Totally agree with that. It seems they just suspend them in football and its no big deal.

 

[sgtcluels]

Meh it wasn't against the rules, so his carrier is fine. Maybe people will think less of him, but technically he didn't do anything "wrong". Also noted in the article is about Woodward who received Roids, they didn't say if it was during his time in Milwaukee though.

[JJHardy7]

I think fans view it more harsh on baseball due to the fact that records were broken by those possibly using these substances.

 

Maybe fans think that these drugs directly related to better numbers in baseball, whereas in football there aren't as many records that are held in high standard.

[Patrick425]

Maybe people will think less of him, but technically he didn't do anything "wrong".

Technically, no but what about moraly or ethically. There seems to be a segment of the sports fan base that does not have an issue with athletes artificially enhancing there bodies and athletic abilities. I don't understand this. Are you looking at the big picture? I got interested in sports as a kid because I believed I was watching athletes do things with their natural abilites and hard work and dedication.

 

I equate the whole steroids/HGH thing to when I saw Evil Kenevil attempt to jump the Snake River Canyon. I remember thinking..wow, I gotta see this (this was a big event when this happened). So, I turn on the TV and watch evil climb into this vehical that lookes like a rocket placed on a launching ramp. Boy, what a dissapointment that was. I thought he was going to jump it using just his motor cycle.

[sgtcluels]

Any real sense of morality and ethics went out the window in the 90s when MLB let every hack use and turned a blind eye to it to allow for MLB to get popular again. I think people who use to make them better are cheap trick hacks.

 

The fact is that he took a dip in the moral gray area by skirting the roids rules by using HGH. That's disgusting, but he didn't do anything that MLB said was wrong. We as fans can no longer buy and Ankiel jersey, but we all know if he's still performing he'll still have a job and a fat contract by some club. Look at Giambi an admitted user.

[Roscoe Chill]

While I agree the outcry in baseball is far louder, they do actually discipline offenders in the NFL. Baseball not so much.

[Thurston Fluff]

I think fans view it more harsh on baseball due to the fact that records were broken by those possibly using these substances.

 

Maybe fans think that these drugs directly related to better numbers in baseball, whereas in football there aren't as many records that are held in high standard.

 

The single season sack record was held for years by Mark Gasteneu (sp?) a guy who was a poster boy for steroids. Honestly I doubt there are many clean records in football.

[Patrick425]

but he didn't do anything that MLB said was wrong.

I understand that MLB is complicit in adding fuel to the "steroids era", but what if the Government decided to legalize murder, would you think it's "ok" to go out and start killing people? I realize that murder and taking steroids are not the same thing, but same principle. The players should not have to rely on MLB to tell them what's right and wrong.

[JohnBriggs12]

I think it taints his career. How much it does depends on how many names eventually come out. For him, the more, the merrier, as is "everyone was doing it".

 

But at the very least it throws some cold water on the "feel good" aspect of his season knowing he rehabbed using substances that ended up being banned. McGwire used andro before it was banned too. It didn't cause too much of a ripple while he played, but combined with his evasive testimony, it cast enough doubt to keep him out of the HOF at least for the foreseeable future.

 

HGH is a problem that still hasn't been solved due to lack of testing. It's my understanding that there is a blood test, but that it's not fool proof, and the union isn't going to approve it.

[endaround]

While I agree the outcry in baseball is far louder, they do actually discipline offenders in the NFL. Baseball not so much.

Tell that to Jeffries and Salome

 

[Roscoe Chill]

Tell that to Jeffries and Salome

 

Minor leaguers? When the most significant major league player to be suspended over an issue that has dominated discussion for quite a while, and is looked at as such a black eye to the sport, is Guillermo Mota, and they are still not testing for HGH...I stand by my statement.

[Brian the Automator]

Minor leaguers? When the most significant major league player to be suspended over an issue that has dominated discussion for quite a while, and is looked at as such a black eye to the sport, is Guillermo Mota, and they are still not testing for HGH...I stand by my statement.

I would think the suspension of Raffy Palmeiro was pretty huge, considering:

 

http://www.profbob.com/images/Rafael%20Palmeiro%20best.jpg

 

[RyDogg66]

Minor leaguers? When the most significant major league player to be suspended over an issue that has dominated discussion for quite a while, and is looked at as such a black eye to the sport, is Guillermo Mota, and they are still not testing for HGH...I stand by my statement.

I would think the suspension of Raffy Palmeiro was pretty huge, considering:

 

http://www.profbob.com/images/Rafael%20Palmeiro%20best.jpg

 

What is he doing in that picture Brian? Trying to explain how his Viagra works?

 

[Roscoe Chill]

Yes, I should have said most significant suspension over 10 games.

[Invader3K]

I'm getting sick of these arguments.

 

If he had a prescription, and it wasn't against MLB rules, what is the big deal? You can still go to a doctor and get a prescription for steroids under the right circumstances, you know. I think fans and commentators need to quit playing physician or lawyer. If he somehow did something illegal, then fine, throw the book at him. However, it sounds like that is not the case, so let's quit with the moral indignation.

[Patrick425]

I'm getting sick of these arguments.

 

If he had a prescription, and it wasn't against MLB rules, what is the big deal?

In regard to everything going on in the world it's not a big deal. For that matter nothing is. But in the context of sports, it is a big deal. If I wanted to see illusions, I would go to a magic show. As a fan, I want to see real god-given talent, not artificially created talent. I'm not just talking about Ankiel. This news is still too fresh and the jury is still out regarding his situation. But I don't care if a player did this when it was "legal" or illegal, it's still wrong and these players know it. If it was not a problem when it was "legal" then why were these players so secretive about it? They didn't have these things just sitting out in the open and they didn't openly talk about them. Why? Because they knew that what they were doing was against the ethical principles of good sportsmanship.