Zambrano rips fans

[chuckiehacks]

Stay Classy Carlos.

 

"I don't understand why the fans were booing at me. I can't understand that, they showed me today they just care about them. That's no fair. Because when you are struggling, that's when you want to feel the support of the fans. I will remember that"

[homer]

"I will remember that"

 

So is he going to remember that the next time he signs a multi year contract? Too late if he thinks he's going to skip town on them.

 

Man has Zambrano stunk the last month or so. 7.06 ERA in August, .309 BA against. I think his arm is about ready to fall off.

[bklynbrewcrew]

I am very happy that the Cubs wasted so much money on him. One of these days his arm is going to fall off.

[Nearsighted Views]

Ugh. Another one whining about the fans. You want to be cheered after sucking the joint up after signing a huge contract? In Chicago? Huh? I know he's an idiot but these comments take him to a whole new level. And way to come back after the game and make yourself more appealing to the fans.

 

"I'm not getting the job done. I'm as disapppointed in myself as the fans are." Boom. Done. Fans go away and cheer you the next time you come out.

 

I've about had it with all the whining. Maybe the Brewers and the Cubs can have a support group where they can all read the following line: When the fans _________, it makes me feel _____________

[rluzinski]

"I'm not getting the job done. I'm as disapppointed in myself as the fans are." Boom. Done. Fans go away and cheer you the next time you come out.

 

Or until you have another bad outing. Fans boo because their feelings are hurt and they don't care if they hurt the performance of their players. It takes away a chunk of the home field advantage and I don't like it. I want my team to win more than I want to make make myself feel better.

[Phenomenal Smith]

Just as an aside, the Astros announcers said that the crowd in Milwaukee on Monday was pretty subdued compared to the fans at Wrigley over the weekend.

[mark brouhard is number on]

thank you rluzinski. finally someone who feels the way I do

[sheethead]

Maybe Z might want to think about why he gets booed so quickly when things go bad for him. It might be because he is such a "booable" character. Thank you Cubs for giving him a small country's GDP for the next few years. I love it!

[dadofandrew]

I will 3rd RL's fine post. Booing accomplished nothing, and shows the booer's ignorance.

[sheethead]

I will 3rd RL's fine post. Booing accomplished nothing, and shows the booer's ignorance.

 

Booing shows displeasure, and when applied correctly is very effective (i.e. booing Yost when summoning Aquino). Booing can show ignorance, but to say one who boos is ignorant is gereralizing. Kind of like how most people generalize about Cub fans, and generalizing accomplishes nothing and shows the generalizer's ignorance.

[SeriesFinale]

Booing shows displeasure, and when applied correctly is very effective (i.e. booing Yost when summoning Aquino).

 

 

What was it effective at?

[berniebrewer4life]

Gee, sounds like someone is regretting resigning with the cubs. Too bad Z, maybe if you pitched 1/2 decent this month, they wouldn't need to boo you.

[owbc]

Exactly. Booing didn't accomplish anything in either case. Sure it shows displeasure, but Yost and the fans both want to win, so anything that fails to achieve victory is obviously wrong and booing doesn't change that.

 

From what I can tell, the only thing booing does is put more pressure on our young team than they already have. What if we booed Prince Fielder last year instead of giving him a standing ovation when he started 0-10? Would he feel the same way about Milwaukee?

 

What if Aquino came in yesterday and got the out? Should we still have booed him at the end of the inning since it was a bad decision to use him in the first place?

 

The only reason I see to boo is an apparent lack of effort, such as not running out a ground ball. It isn't like Aquino or Yost weren't trying to win the game.

[homer]

Or until you have another bad outing. Fans boo because their feelings are hurt and they don't care if they hurt the performance of their players. It takes away a chunk of the home field advantage and I don't like it. I want my team to win more than I want to make make myself feel better.

I think booing is lame too but I don't know how much of a negative impact it has on performance. It's just Bush League behavior to me.

[sheethead]

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sheethead[/b]]Booing shows displeasure, and when applied correctly is very effective (i.e. booing Yost when summoning Aquino).

 

 

What was it effective at?

 

For starters, it was effective at showing Carlos Zambrano's true color and character. Next, it was effective at showing who pays the bills, and how those paying the bills have a love hate relationship with their hot-headed ace. And finally, it was evidently effective at showing Carlos just how bad he pitched yesterday - something a professional ballplayer should take aim at instead of the people booing him. He pitched, and has pitched, like garbage since the organization gave him a king's ransom. To think a player like that would not get booed in any market given his past performances, and more relevant his current performance, is really asking a lot of the people who pay the bills.

 

I am definitely fine with people not liking booing. It is a fairly negative act and can be uncomfortable for some people to deal with. But to say that people who boo are ignorant is kind of like calling the kettle black.

[dvoiss]

I think if you pay for a ticket you absolutely hasve a right to boo. you are helping to pay their salaries so you are in fact there boss in a sense. In fact there is probably no better way for a fan to get his opinion across to a player or a team.

 

I boo because I didn't get my money's worth when a player performs badly. It doesn't necessarily make me feel better. It's more like dropping a note in the complaint box hoping that the next time something changes.

 

Does it work? Who knows. I'm guessing it probably works better than going home and kicking the dog or putting your fiat through the wall.

[sheethead]

Booing didn't accomplish anything in either case. Sure it shows displeasure, but Yost and the fans both want to win, so anything that fails to achieve victory is obviously wrong and booing doesn't change that.

You don't think Yost heard the BOOOOOOS? I sure hope he did, cause maybe it would wake him up to the fact that this is September, pennant-race baseball.

 

The only reason I see to boo is an apparent lack of effort, such as not running out a ground ball. It isn't like Aquino or Yost weren't trying to win the game.

 

Looked to me like Big Z showed an apparent lack of effort yesterday. How about blowing a 3rd base coach's stopsign and getting thrown out at the plate? Just as booable IMO as throwing the ball into right field on a double play grounder only to see it thrown back at the tarp for what turns out to be a 2 ER, 2 R play. BOOOOOOO!!!!

 

As for Yost, I may have been really fooled at this one, but I didn't see him give much of an effort to winning the game yesterday. He over managed and got burned by lame decision making. If you pay $35 to see a team try to win, and Davey freakin' Nelson knows a bullpen move is bad, every fan has a ticket to ride the booo train. And I give extra BOOOOOS to Estrada for his apparent lack of effort behind the dish yesterday. I give zero BOOOOS to Aquino, that debacle was not nearly as much his fault as it was Yost's and Estrada's.

[SeriesFinale]

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sheethead[/b]]Booing shows displeasure, and when applied correctly is very effective (i.e. booing Yost when summoning Aquino).

 

 

What was it effective at?

For starters, it was effective at showing Carlos Zambrano's true color and character. Next, it was effective at showing who pays the bills, and how those paying the bills have a love hate relationship with their hot-headed ace. And finally, it was evidently effective at showing Carlos just how bad he pitched yesterday - something a professional ballplayer should take aim at instead of the people booing him. He pitched, and has pitched, like garbage since the organization gave him a king's ransom. To think a player like that would not get booed in any market given his past performances, and more relevant his current performance, is really asking a lot of the people who pay the bills.

 

I am definitely fine with people not liking booing. It is a fairly negative act and can be uncomfortable for some people to deal with. But to say that people who boo are ignorant is kind of like calling the kettle black.

1. People knew Zambrano's "true colors" well before this

2. Ownership is well aware of the box office dynamic.

3. You think he didn't realize how badly he pitched without his home crowd crawling up his shorts?

 

At any rate, my question is how was the booing with Yost summoning Aquino effective, since you referred to it.

[sheethead]

You think he didn't realize how badly he pitched without his home crowd crawling up his shorts?

 

For me, I don't know that Z ever thinks he pitched or performed poorly on the bases. How do I know he knows that? He is a well-compensated athlete, for all I know he probably doesn't think his excrement stinks.

 

At any rate, my question is how was the booing with Yost summoning Aquino effective, since you referred to it.

I explained this in another post, but just to emphasize... the crowd booing the move to Aquino should show Yost that the fans are on top of his bad moves. Hopefully with that in mind, he will make less of them as the games increase exponentially in importance.

[Nearsighted Views]

Or until you have another bad outing. Fans boo because their feelings are hurt and they don't care if they hurt the performance of their players. It takes away a chunk of the home field advantage and I don't like it. I want my team to win more than I want to make make myself feel better.

Are you serious? What chunk does it take away? Are we talking about Major League baseball players or are we talking children? I don't boo but I don't care if someone does if they think the product sucks. And where are these same people pointing out when the crowd is on their feet supporting them in a big situation. It doesn't seem complicated. Boo=Unsatisfied. You can do better. Cheer=Job well done. If these guys haven't developed thicker skin than that somewhere along the line, they can play in any number of intramural leagues throughout the country. It's the Bigs, last time I checked.

[SeriesFinale]

the crowd booing the move to Aquino should show Yost that the fans are on top of his bad moves. Hopefully with that in mind, he will make less of them as the games increase exponentially in importance.

Yost is well aware that the fans boo him...that's been very well-documented. And you can't be serious that booing prevents "bad moves."

[sheethead]

SeriesFinale[/b]]Yost is well aware that the fans boo him...that's been very well-documented. And you can't be serious that booing prevents "bad moves."

 

Of course I'm serious in hoping that it does. If there were 10,000 fans booing me (giving the benefit of doubt to 1/4 in attendance) I sure would want to wonder why, then figure it out if I was competent, then make sure I don't make that blatantly bad decision again. Isn't the goal to have the crowd not booing? Only way to do that is to not make bad decisions. Yesterday's booing was to the effect of watching helplessly as a car accident occurs. You might say Oh NOOOOO! Yesterday the crowd was saying "NOOOOOOOO you idiot." I would bet that if CoCo was coming out of the pen instead of Aquino, the reaction would have been 180 degrees positive. Hopefully next time we can find out for sure.

[rluzinski]

I think if you pay for a ticket you absolutely hasve a right to boo. you are helping to pay their salaries so you are in fact there boss in a sense. In fact there is probably no better way for a fan to get his opinion across to a player or a team.

 

Why do people always throw that straw man argument out there when this comes up? I don't recall anyone saying that it isn't or shouldn't be allowed. Security will not come and take you away. Your season tickets will not be revoked.

 

The point I am trying to make is that it's counterproductive to boo your own team for poor play. You want to boo a guy for dogging it, fine but to boo a team because they lost a lead or a game is a selfish, emotional response to being disappointed, IMO. And I won't pretend to never have succumbed to the urge but I don't lie to myself and make into something it's not. When I booed it was because I was angry that I invested emotionally in a team that let me down. I certainly wasn't helping my team.

 

Are you serious? What chunk does it take away? Are we talking about Major League baseball players or are we talking children?

 

I'm about as statistical oriented as you can get and I'm not willing to automatically dismiss the effect of the home crowd, whether the players deserve to be influenced or not. The cold hard facts show that an average baseball team plays .540 at home and .460 on the road. Some of that might be attributed to batting last, and certainly, being familiar and/or built for your particular park is an advantage but I'm not willing to dismiss the impact the backing of the crowd has on player performance. Football teams have a home team advantage with a standardized field and no systematic, strategic advantage. Other sports mirror football.

 

In baseball, the home team might only get a very small up-tick from having the backing of a big crowd but I'd rather maximize that possibility than tend to my own emotional needs. Besides, I can just moan to my wife. http://forum.brewerfan.net/images/smilies/wink.gif

[SeriesFinale]

I want a manager who is a leader based on his character and his baseball wisdom and experience, not one who plays to the whims of 10,000 boo-birds out for a day at the park, many whose baseball experince ended in school and many more of whom have likely enjoyed more than their share of adult beverages. I'm not about to count on them to dictate what is a "competent" decision and what isn't.

 

That's not to say that their opinions are invalid, or that I'm 100% with some of the decisions Yost has made. But if he ever started managing to not get booed by 1/4th of the crowd, which may well be impossible, I'd be very upset.

[dadofandrew]

I doubt if a manager has ever cared about the boos, as most booing are just idiots. They don't care if the P has made 125 pitches, or whatever. If you ever met a manager who cared, that's a very, very bad manager.

 

I believe many football coaches have said it best, "I'll pass 100 times a game if you give me a lifetime contract, and I'll go for it on 4th down every time. Until then, I'm running and punting."

 

My favorite thing is when they boo when the punter comes in, and then they boo after the home team calls a time-out and then fails to convert. It's the absolute epitome of how casual most fans are. Have another drink and shut the heck up.