Vargas to the DL (back)

[BillScottCanRake]

This is from the locked thread.

 

If I were to speculate a bit, I'd say:

 

- If Sheets is ready, he'll be activated and pitch on Wednesday in Vargas' spot with Gallardo going on Thursday.

- If Sheets isn't ready to go, the Brewers will recall Villanueva and Parra will start on Wednesday in Vargas' spot with Gallardo going on Thursday. Parra hasn't pitched since his three inning stint in relief of Gallardo on the 25th, so he should be good to make a spot start.

 

I guess it is also possible that Parra could start Wednesday and Sheets could go Thursday, allowing them to skip Gallardo. Of course, if they do that and Parra or Sheets have short starts, the pen will be a bit short-handed.

[chowyo123]

Dickey just started yesterday so I wouldn't think he'd get the call.

[SlideBernieSlide]

Dickey just started yesterday so I wouldn't think he'd get the call.

This is the truth. I know RA is a knuckler, but still Dickey likely isn't coming up for a start this week. If Sheets isn't the guy, I imagine Manny starts Tuesday with Villy being called up for Vargas' roster spot and put in the pen.

[davego]

I'd assume the roster move occurs this afternoon?

[don1481]

He has been pretty much what we would expect from a quality #5 starter. He has decent stuff, has made all of his starts thus far and can usually go 5 innings and keep us in the game.

 

I fundamentally disagree. Vargas is a serviceable #5 starter on a fringe playoff team. His peripherals and the fact that he is barely about 5IP/start this season pretty much makes him serviceable and nothing more. The fact that Vargas can't really go deep into games - even though he's a #5 - has helped to run down the bullpen. The same argument can be made for most of the rotation at the moment. While having one Vargas-esque pitcher is acceptable, having a rotation of them is not.

 

But I digress... how bad is Vargas' back?

[theavrock]

Actually if our teams #1, #2 and #3 had performed they way other "playoff" teams rotations do, there would be no need for the #5 starter to eat a bunch of innings up. Cappy has been awful, Sheets has been hurt and Suppan hasn't pitched as deep into games as I had thought he would. After a rocky start Bush has pitched very well for a 4th starter. The big problem has been Sheets going down and Cappy being ineffective. Had those two performed up to expectations/not been hurt the bullpen would not be as taxed as it is and Vargas would not be under the microscope he is. He does what a 5th starter is supposed to do. Unfortunately because of other factors he is being asked to go above his natural limits as a player and fill the void others higher in the rotation have vacated.

[JJHardy7]

Wow did I get ripped apart. My expectations for Weeks relate to his power numbers. I think his wrist is hurting him and it may never be back. Look at why he was sent down -- to get at bats and start swinging. There's no way the small sample of at bats has everything to do with his BA moving up. I understand he called called up due to injuries, but there were other options available.

 

 

If you want to talk numbers, look at Dickey's numbers since he was moved back into the rotation in Nashville. He did have an ERA around 6 going on end of June - early July. If Dickey making one start is the reason we don't win division, I do not know anything about baseball.

 

This is why CV was sent down (let me know if I missed something). He was sent down to get back in form and be stretched out to possibly start down the road. How does one appearance do that? Maybe sending him down to pitch in one game and bringing him back makes sense, but I don't see it.

[JJHardy7]

I wouldn't mind seeing DiFelice called up either. I've been to a few of his games and he is very efficient. Seeing him in Vargas' spot would be kind of night and day in relation to game times. I was just maybe guessing Dickey due to the fact he was the next in line at one point earlier this year (I believe it was when we played the Cards).

[djoctagone]

villanueva was optioned down less than 10 days ago. he can be recalled as he's replacing an injured pitcher.

 

when he was sent to nashville, he burned a minor league option (from 3 to 2). is it true that he will regain that option if he's called back today?

[JJHardy7]

CV can be recalled due to Vargas on the DL and the 10 day rule doesn't apply to replacing players placed on the DL.

 

 

I think he still has his option if he's called back within 18 days, which in this case he would still have the option.

[TooLiveBrew]

Is the plan really to bring Villy back up? I remembered the brass stating they wanted him to go down to "stretch out" so he can rejoin the starting rotation. Is he really already re-adjusted? I'd think it'd take at least another start, which would still be within the 18-day restriction.

 

My guess (as I mentioned) is that this is to clear the way for Benny's return. I know McClung is an easy guy to target for sending to AAA, but isn't he out of options? Thought I'd read that. That wouldn't seem to make sense, since I'm sure another MLB team somewhere would have a spot for him.

 

With Cappy bumped to the 'pen for the time being, along with Parra, McClung, Shouse, Wise, Linebrink, T-Bow, & CoCo, imo adding Villy to the bullpen doesn't make a ton of sense - especially due to our need for SPing. Once Sheets is back, YoGa can slide to the 'pen (to help keep his innings down), and by then I'd speculate that Villy would be much more 'ready' to get back at starting.

[1992casey]

It's actually 20/21 days that a player can stay in the minors without burning an option. Because the CBA verbiage has lots of 'more thans' and 'less thans', along with a rule addressing the time of day of a callup, it's hard to tell when to say "20" and when to say "21". The CBA does say 20, however.

 

If an option isn't burned, time spent in the minors counts toward major league service.

[TooLiveBrew]

in terms of 'super two' status designation/arbitration judgment? I can't imagine his stats in AAA would magically count as MLB IP

 

(I don't mean to imply Villy is going to be a 'super two', as I have no clue one way or the other)

[BillScottCanRake]

I'd assume the roster move occurs this afternoon?

 

Vargas was supposed to start tomorrow. Because they need to make a move to either replace Vargas directly (i.e. with Sheets) or replace whomever replaces Claudio in the rotation (i.e. Parra), they may wait to see if anything that happens tonight alters their plans. A short start by Suppan and Parra pitching tonight might mean they go a different route and if Suppan goes 7 and Manny can do tomorrow.

[dpapo]

Villanueva has already pitched the 1st inning of his start today in Nashville, so I doubt he's going to get called up.

[Ennder]

I'd guess its Sheets if he's ready or Capuano/Parra if not.

[dpapo]

It's Sheets and Parra

By Tom Haudricourt

Tuesday, Aug 28 2007, 06:03 PM

Chicago - Hoping to inject some life in a sagging starting rotation, the Brewers will send Ben Sheets to the mound Wednesday night against the Cubs and follow him with rookie Manny Parra on Thursday.

 

That's assuming Sheets' middle finger doesn't fall off in his sleep tonight. With Ben, you never know.

 

Sheets, who went on the disabled list July 15 with a sprained middle finger and had his return delayed by a blister on that same finger, cleared his final mini-hurdle this afternoon at Wrigley Field when he played catch in the outfield without damage to the blister.

 

The starting rotation has not fared well in Sheets' absence, posting a 5.55 ERA. One guy shouldn't make that much difference but with Sheets, somehow it does.

 

"It gives everybody a boost," said manager Ned Yost.

 

Yost selected Parra to start the series finale because the Cubs have not fared as well against lefties as they have against righties. They are batting .252 as a team against lefties and .274 against righties. They are 12-20 against left-handed starters and 54-43 against right-handed starters.

 

http://blogs.jsonline.com/brewers/archive/2007/08/28/it-s-sheets-and-parra.aspx

[twobrewers]

I just hope this is really going to be the Sheets we know and love.

 

My gut tells me to expects lots of fastballs with more changeups than usual. I can't imagine he is going to push the curve with his blister problem.

 

Add that to no rehab start - still plenty to be nervous about. But then again, better than sending up Vargas!

[brewcrewkid14]

I'm not sure if this is anywhere else, but Vargas has been activated.

I'm wondering if this means we aren't going to see any more starts from the CV that should be starting? I'm going to be honest that would basically take away all the joy I've had watching the Brewers this past week if that happened. I really hope they just keep him in the bullpen for mop-up duties.

[robfuhr]

Vargas has been put into the Bullpen and will finish the year there in my opinion. Vargas has served us well this year...He has been a great fifth starter in my opinion and the team seemed to play well when he started the games.

[DougJones43]

I'm not sure if this is anywhere else, but Vargas has been activated.

 

I'm wondering if this means we aren't going to see any more starts from the CV that should be starting? I'm going to be honest that would basically take away all the joy I've had watching the Brewers this past week if that happened. I really hope they just keep him in the bullpen for mop-up duties.

 

Couldn't agree more. If Villanueva gets sent back to the bullpen in favor of Vargas at any point the rest of the season, I will be a very sad young man.

[brewcrewkid14]

Well, it says on the official site that Villanueva will be starting still tomorrow night, and if it were to be any night for Vargas to return, I'd assume it'd be tomorrow night so that is a good sign.

[trwi7]

Yeah Ned has already said Vargas will be in the bullpen.

[djoctagone]

i love how the edited subject line of this thread is still appropriate after vargas' activation.