I'm not impressed with Bill Hall

[Ennder]

Hall has always been a pretty streaky hitter, one hot month here and his stats end up around 2005 levels which is probably his true talent level.

[BrewCrewForever]

I still have faith in Hall. Im not giving up on him cause he has had an off year. I think the DL stint and the new position in the OF have had a little to do with it. I expect a big September from him and 2008 more like the 2006 Bill Hall.

[JohnBriggs12]

Hall with a 3 run bomb tonight to silence his critics.

[BrewCrewForever]

Hall crushed that ball. It got out fast, sounded tattooed.

[billyhallfan]

way to go hall.

 

i need to rip on Brewers more often...

[billyhallfan]

Hart's not exactly hot right now.

 

Who said that he was?

[billyhallfan]

If people realized that last year was his career year and that he is not the pernianal all start that posters claimed last year.

 

That is a generalization that is mostly wrong, and it is really annoying, just because someone has a favorite player, doesn't mean that they think that he is an all-star. Who on Brewerfan.net seemed to think that he was a perenial all-star? Just because people like a player, doesn't mean they think that they are the best in the league. Lots of posters are high on Gross, that doesn't mean that they think he should be an all-star. I never said that he should hit 30 home runs this year, I was thinking more along the lines of 20-25, but there is no doubt this year has been a dissapointment, had he been hitting well, you had Hardy in the 2nd spot being protected by Braun who would see pitches because Fielder was after him, but you would have to pitch to Fielder because Hall is a threat. But that didn't happen.

[HebrewHammer]

Yeah Bill hasn't been producing lately. I'm guessing he's still uncomfortable in his position and unhealthy.....wait, he rules!

[danzig6767]

I'm more concerned about Hall the defensive CF than i am about his hitting the next few years.He is better out there than early in the year,but he still can take some really ugly angles the balls hit or misjudge whether to come in/go back.Considering all the other weak defensive players,i'd much rather see Hall in LF or the infield and a natural CF out there next season.

[Warriors76]

I have always disliked Bill Hall. The guy has always just really pissed me off. I hated him when he first came up, I hated that they re-signed him last year, and I hate him now more than ever. I thought he should have been traded last year, I thought he was one of the few players that we had to simply let walk after we didn't trade him. I didn't think he had a place on the team with the other young players we had...I hate his approach at the plate, his swing for the fence mentality, his strikeouts, his inning-ending pop-ups, his errors in the field in 2006...I can excuse his defensive struggles this year for a while, but he still takes horrible angles on balls all the time. He has a nice catch once a month and hits a home run once in a blue moon, and everyone thinks the guy has some sort of knack for the clutch, when all he did was hit like 2 walk offs for a losing team. He peaked last year, he will never bat .280, he will never hit 30 home runs again. I'm done, now you know how I feel about Bill Hall, my least favorite Brewers, just ahead of Estrada.

[hauser42]

If people realized that last year was his career year and that he is not the pernianal all start that posters claimed last year.

 

That is a generalization that is mostly wrong, and it is really annoying, just because someone has a favorite player, doesn't mean that they think that he is an all-star. Who on Brewerfan.net seemed to think that he was a perenial all-star? Just because people like a player, doesn't mean they think that they are the best in the league. Lots of posters are high on Gross, that doesn't mean that they think he should be an all-star. I never said that he should hit 30 home runs this year, I was thinking more along the lines of 20-25, but there is no doubt this year has been a dissapointment, had he been hitting well, you had Hardy in the 2nd spot being protected by Braun who would see pitches because Fielder was after him, but you would have to pitch to Fielder because Hall is a threat. But that didn't happen.

It is not a generalization that posters mentioned Hall as an constant all star last year. Many people compared him to Jeter, Young, and other top SS's all last year. Stats came out how he was better at this and that and the Brewers would be foolish to moves such a great player off shortstop with his great bat.I dont recall which posters claimed Hall was an all star but there were more pro Hall all star fans than anti Hall fans.

 

Part of the issue with Bill Hall is he gets a lot of attention for his homeruns, now that he has hit homeruns it will be posted that he is out of a slump. Those are his only two hits last two nights, how about Hall getting a couple of 2 hits games before we think he has turned it around a little.

 

I'm one of Grosses biggest supporters, I know that the best he will be is a solid OFer. Nothing fancy just getting the job done.

[homer]

"Many people compared him to Jeter, Young, and other top SS's all last year. "

 

That's because his stats last year were comparable to those guys. I don't recall anyone saying he'd be a consistent all star. In fact, I think most thought he'd drop off a little. If anyone got revved up about him this season it was because Ned Yost called him a "potential MVP candidate" in spring training. Pretty sure Ned doesn't post here but I can't blame someone for jumping on the bandwagon when the manager says something like that.

 

And why would someone be anti anyone that hits 35 HR?

[joepepsi]

I never said that he should hit 30 home runs this year, I was thinking more along the lines of 20-25, but there is no doubt this year has been a disappointment, had he been hitting well,

Halll is on pace for 19.2 home runs over 600 at bats. So he is precisely on the pace you expected, albeit on the low end.

 

He had a slow start, then was on fire, then missed a month of the season. Fans always expect a player to be 100% and on fire when returning from DL. It's almost never so. On a good team Bill Hall gives you solid production from the 6 or 7 hole. That's a lot more than you can say for half the CF'ers out there.

[sgtcluels]

Look at that, take a players water and they turn it around. Who's water should we take next? I'm thinking Weeks, he could use the boost. http://static.yuku.com//domainskins/bypass/img/smileys/eek.gifhttp://static.yuku.com//domainskins/bypass/img/smileys/eek.gif

[MJLiverock]

I have always disliked Bill Hall. The guy has always just really pissed me off. I hated him when he first came up, I hated that they re-signed him last year, and I hate him now more than ever. I thought he should have been traded last year, I thought he was one of the few players that we had to simply let walk after we didn't trade him. I didn't think he had a place on the team with the other young players we had...I hate his approach at the plate, his swing for the fence mentality, his strikeouts, his inning-ending pop-ups, his errors in the field in 2006...I can excuse his defensive struggles this year for a while, but he still takes horrible angles on balls all the time. He has a nice catch once a month and hits a home run once in a blue moon, and everyone thinks the guy has some sort of knack for the clutch, when all he did was hit like 2 walk offs for a losing team. He peaked last year, he will never bat .280, he will never hit 30 home runs again. I'm done, now you know how I feel about Bill Hall, my least favorite Brewers, just ahead of Estrada.

 

You must have really hated Brady Clark, he was one of the worst CF I have ever witnessed. Absolutely no range, no arm, and can't go back on a ball. I think Hall will turn out to be at least an average CF defensively, he is very athletic and is getting better as the season goes along. He is already an upgrade over what we had last year. Offensively he will be ML average for a CF if not better because of his power. I don't expect 35 HR's every year but he could definately be a 20-25 HR a year guy while batting about .260-.270 and OBPing around .330-340 putting him around an .800 OPS.

 

I am in the boat of not believing in Gabe Gross. He takes a lot of walks but other than that there is just as big of a sample of him struggling with the bat and displaying little to no power as there is with him displaying power. I don't get why people only focus on the period of last year when he was decent while ignoring the sample that is just as big from the previous two years and the entire first half of this year where he was pretty ineffective.

[hauser42]

"Many people compared him to Jeter, Young, and other top SS's all last year. "

 

That's because his stats last year were comparable to those guys. I don't recall anyone saying he'd be a consistent all star. In fact, I think most thought he'd drop off a little. If anyone got revved up about him this season it was because Ned Yost called him a "potential MVP candidate" in spring training. Pretty sure Ned doesn't post here but I can't blame someone for jumping on the bandwagon when the manager says something like that.

 

And why would someone be anti anyone that hits 35 HR?

 

Homer there where people beating those drums last year of Hall being an All Star. Why would I be anti Hall after 35 HRs becaue it was a fluke and something that he will not match again. Lot of fans are in believe that Hall is power threat on this team and it is to bad that bubble is going to burst. 20HRs in this day and age is very average, now back in the 80s this would have been considered a power source.

[billyhallfan]

there might have been people saying that he should have been an all-star, but I don't recall anyone saying that he was a perenial all-star, perenial all-stars are guys like Jose Reyes, Derek Jeter, Michael Young as you mentioned, no one ever called hima perenial all-star, and if they did it was probably joking, Bill Hall never was and never will be a perenial all-star. He is still a solid player that is underachieving.

[endaround]

Micheal Young belongs no where near a discussion of Jose Reyes and Derek Jeter.

[hauser42]

there might have been people saying that he should have been an all-star, but I don't recall anyone saying that he was a perenial all-star, perenial all-stars are guys like Jose Reyes, Derek Jeter, Michael Young as you mentioned, no one ever called hima perenial all-star, and if they did it was probably joking, Bill Hall never was and never will be a perenial all-star. He is still a solid player that is underachieving.

I would not think you would. Hall was being compared to Jeter all last year and talked about how much better he was. Now maybe poeple should think before they post to compare some to another player is also taking a look at their past, unless it is a certain time period. Not everyone was saying that Hall was having a better year than Jeter they were rambling on how he was going to be better than Jeter.

 

Michael Young not included with Reyes or Jeter why is that because he doesn't play in the media capital of the world??

[endaround]

No its because he isn't that good.

 

Micheal Young (Age 30) career stats: .301/.346/.448/.794

 

Bill Hall (Age 27) career stats: .266/.322/.472/.794

 

So Micheal Young is great but Bill Hall is overrated...

[billyhallfan]

Micheal Young belongs no where near a discussion of Jose Reyes and Derek Jeter.

 

That has nothing to do with the topic at hand...

[homer]

Now maybe poeple should think before they post to compare some to another player is also taking a look at their past, unless it is a certain time period.

Hall 2005 .836 OPS

Jeter 2005 .839 OPS

Hall 2006 .898 OPS

Jeter 2006 .900 OPS

 

I don't think people were all that off base thinking Hall would possibly put up better numbers than Jeter considering he's 6 years younger and was about to enter his peak years.. Yeah, he's having a disappointing year. No one disputes that.

[milwaukeesportsfan]

Giving this thread a bump...just wanted to say that I was at the game last night, and Bill Hall looked absolutely lost at the plate. His body language in one particular at bat looked as if he had absolutely no confidence that he was going to even make contact with the ball, and that's exactly what happened. We need to find a way to get this guy going if we are going to have any hope of turning this thing around.

 

Come on, Billy, I have faith in you. Don't let me down!

[Samurai Bucky]

Last year, Cappy was lights out in the first half, but didn't pitch well in the second half. I was willing to give him a chance this year. He didn't do well, so IMHO, they should take him out of the rotation (which they have).

 

My feeling is the same about Bill Hall. He isn't doing well this year and, as some have mentioned, probably should not be treated as an every AB player. However, I'm not going to give up on him, yet. If he isn't doing well at the All-star break next year, trade him.

[rluzinski]

If he isn't doing well at the All-star break next year, trade him.

 

Just sign the players who are performing well to multi-year contracts and trade away the players doing poorly. Simple as it gets.