Fielder quote- "6 runs should be enough IMO"

[AdvantageSchneider]

Quote in the Michael Hunt column in the JS.

 

http://www.jsonline.com/story/index.aspx?id=649149

 

That's not a good quote. I agree with him, in principle, especially with the lineup the reds put out there today but I don't think I would say that

publicly. That seems to be a shot accross the bow at the pitching staff I hope they don't take it that way. We don't need a divided clubhouse.

 

His exact quote per Hunt - "We got six runs off their ace," Fielder said of Aaron Harang. "When you do that, that should be enough, in my opinion."

[aracko]

He is right - Who really cares what the pitchers think. If they disagree, id love to see them justify their side of things. Getting 6 runs and losing is about as sad as it gets. Thank God someone in this clubhouse has something swinging between his legs. If the truth hurts, then quit.

[crewcrazy]

I'm sure the pitchers agree that they should have won with 6 runs and that they didn't get the job done today...I doubt cliques will be forming in the clubhouse over this quote. It's nice that somebody finally said it out loud, though.

[pretendastronaut]

Well in the light that we gave up 7 or more runs in, I believe, 5 of the games on this homestand, I don't care how they take it. I'm sure there's plenty being said in the locker room, but none of it seems to work. The spark doesn't seem to be there, and you could feel it in the stadium this weekend.

Though I also agree with Hunt, Yost's decision making gets a large slice of today's pie.

[snyttri]

It was a cowardly remark from an MVP candidate who grounded out weakly to end the game with the winning run on base. I don't think finger pointing is the leadership the team needs from Prince.

[tnweill]

Granted, Prince hit a homer today, but it could have been a whole different ballgame had he not struck out w/a runner on 3rd with the infield in and 1 out. Had they have actually manufactured one single run today, the game might have been different.

[aracko]

Prince is allowed to make a mistake once in awhile. He showed more emotion during that one out than the rest of the team did that whole game. Prince is ONLY a 2nd year player! He is performing WAY above expectations right now and is carrying this team on his back along with some others.

 

The Brewers are the only team to have lost and scored 6 or more runs.

[Scooter1027]

Granted, Prince hit a homer today, but it could have been a whole different ballgame had he not struck out w/a runner on 3rd with the infield in and 1 out. Had they have actually manufactured one single run today, the game might have been different.

 

I can't believe anyone could point a single finger at the offense. Enough talk about manufacturing runs, we're a power team, and we scored 6 runs off one of the better starting pitchers in baseball. 6 runs. All we needed to do was to keep our staff ERA for the day under 6.00, and we could not do it. That's the pitchers fault through and through, not the offense, not Ned Yost. Everyone wants to blame Yost, and yes there were a couple decisions he could have made differently. But bottom line, Yost can't physically pitch for these guys, and not a single one of our pitchers today was asked to do anything extraordinary. Capuano should be able to pitch 6-7 innings without giving up 5-6 runs. Linebrink should be able to pitch 1-2 innings without giving up 2 runs. And no offense, anywhere, ever, should shoulder blame for a loss when they score 6 runs off a great pitcher.

[trwi7]

It was a cowardly remark from an MVP candidate who grounded out weakly to end the game with the winning run on base.

 

That's not the point. If the pitching staff didn't completely blow then Prince wouldn't have needed an at bat in the 9th would he have? The point he was trying to get across was that this pitching staff as a whole needs to step up, the offense has been carrying this team for most of the season.

[snyttri]

It was a cowardly remark from an MVP candidate who grounded out weakly to end the game with the winning run on base.

That's not the point. If the pitching staff didn't completely blow then Prince wouldn't have needed an at bat in the 9th would he have? The point he was trying to get across was that this pitching staff as a whole needs to step up, the offense has been carrying this team for most of the season.

Pointing his finger at the pitching staff in the media is not helpful . They don't need Prince to tell them through the paper that they blew it any more than Prince needs to read in the paper that some pitcher said he choked in the clutch. Everyone knows the pitching sucked. That is not a "point" of new information. If they are going to win they should probably get mad at another team or the manager instead of each other. If Prince was more mature and/or had not just choked he might have had the sense not to say what he did.

 

[trwi7]

Pointing his finger at the pitching staff in the media is not helpful

 

Maybe it is. This team is already in a freefall mainly because of the pitching staff. Maybe the pitchers read this and say "Oh yeah well we'll show them." and they go out and start pitching well. Not saying it will happen or that it is likely but I don't see how this comment hurts.

 

If they are going to win they should probably get mad at another team or the manager instead of each other.

 

Well I don't really think that will matter. They're just going to say "Yeah, let's get mad at the D'Backs if we're mad at them that means they'll stop hitting and pitching well and we'll start winning." Maybe lighting a fire under eachother is what this team needs.

 

If Prince was more mature and/or had not just choked he might have had the sense not to say what he did.

 

Or maybe he was asked a question and just gave an honest answer? Sorry but I'd much rather have a player or coach who speaks the truth whether it be behind closed doors in the clubhouse or to a member of the media that asks him a question than one who says "Yeah everything's fine, we'll break out of this sooner or later and then we'll get right back on track eventually and hopefully win the division."

[snyttri]

Pointing his finger at the pitching staff in the media is not helpful

 

Maybe it is. This team is already in a freefall mainly because of the pitching staff. Maybe the pitchers read this and say "Oh yeah well we'll show them." and they go out and start pitching well. Not saying it will happen or that it is likely but I don't see how this comment hurts.

 

If they are going to win they should probably get mad at another team or the manager instead of each other.

 

Well I don't really think that will matter. They're just going to say "Yeah, let's get mad at the D'Backs if we're mad at them that means they'll stop hitting and pitching well and we'll start winning." Maybe lighting a fire under eachother is what this team needs.

 

If Prince was more mature and/or had not just choked he might have had the sense not to say what he did.

 

Or maybe he was asked a question and just gave an honest answer? Sorry but I'd much rather have a player or coach who speaks the truth whether it be behind closed doors in the clubhouse or to a member of the media that asks him a question than one who says "Yeah everything's fine, we'll break out of this sooner or later and then we'll get right back on track eventually and hopefully win the division."

Princes's remark amounts to booing his team; just what he's been criticizing the home fans for. It's not likely to be any more productive. Sniping at teammates through the media has a long history. It's not associated with promoting team chemistry. If Prince was really giving an honest answer he would have saved a finger to point at himself. You know the frustration of his own choking was on his mind when he went after the pitching. That's why his remark was cowardly.

 

[trwi7]

Princes's remark amounts to booing his team; just what he's been criticizing the home fans for. It's not likely to be any more productive. Sniping at teammates through the media has a long history. It's not associated with promoting team chemistry. If Prince was really giving an honest answer he would have saved a finger to point at himself. You know the frustration of his own choking was on his mind when he went after the pitching. That's why his remark was cowardly.

 

 

Right and I've criticized Prince for saying the fans shouldn't boo and I sort of agree that this is booing them so I can agree with you there. I guess I don't see a problem with it because he IS telling the truth. Now if he was sucking and he went and blamed someone else for his sucking or if the offense was sucking and he blamed the pitching or something I'd have a problem with that. But I'm not going to jump on a guy for making a true statement.

 

And yeah he might have choked in the 9th but again he did hit a 2 run homerun today and if the pitching actually HELD the lead then he wouldn't have needed to bat in the 9th.

[MillerPark]

His exact quote per Hunt - "We got six runs off their ace," Fielder said of Aaron Harang. "When you do that, that should be enough, in my opinion."

 

Well. maybe he could have said that a little more diplomatic than straight forward...exactly what he could have said, I don't know. It's just frustration setting in right now, I guess.

 

 

 

 

[brewcrewreview]

Maybe Prince should have drove in that runner on third with one out in the middle of the game as well. That is something that needs to be done from a MVP candidate. It was a team loss, once again.

[bklynbrewcrew]

Chocking 5-0 leads constantly is the fault of the pitching staff. Scoring 6 runs should be enough but it never seems to be with this pitching staff. Prince is right and I have no problem with him saying it.

[Nottso]

Perhaps Prince's comment was directed at Yost and his poor decision making, as opposed to the pitching staff.

[viking188]

As I watched the game unravel;I knew that Yost would get ripped for leaveing Linebrink in. Because just a few weeks ago.....Yost got ripped when they lost a close game, and he had pulled Linebrink after only one inning.

 

Which is it people; the guy can pitch in tough spots or he can't be trusted to work out of a jam? The manager would like to know I'm sure.

 

Mr. Hunt;BLEHHH; just another second guesser, at least he gets paid to do ithttp://static.yuku.com//domainskins/bypass/img/smileys/mad.gif

[Patrick425]

Posted this in the vent thread, but I'll post it here too.

 

Yes, Fielder choked in a clutch situation today. That happens. But what bothers me is the way he choked and I can't believe there are not more posts about this on this site. He had a couple of at bats that were inexcusable. In the 5th, with a guy on and I believe no one out, he has a 2-0 count on him and then strikes out swinging at 3 pitches in a row outside of the strike zone. Same with his last AB to end the game. Again, he has a 2-0 count. Swings at a pitch outside the strike zone. Then the count goes 3-1 and he swings at an outside pitch to ground out weakly. How hard is this. I coach a 9 yr old baseball team that understands this concept better than some of the Brewer hitters. When, the count is in your favor you can be selective especially with a guy like Braun hitting behind you. Prince, if they want to walk you, please, let them!! Man, it's frustrating.

[1992casey]

I think there's an awful lot being read into this quote that isn't there. In fairness to Prince, this is one sentence out of a twelve-paragraph article. On the great majority of days, six runs definitely ought to be enough to win.

[RU Rah Rah]

Yeah, I don't think that this crosses the line.

 

I almost wish that someone would blow up, though. Maybe the team needs to get fired up somehow.

[moofnelson]

As I watched the game unravel;I knew that Yost would get ripped for leaveing Linebrink in. Because just a few weeks ago.....Yost got ripped when they lost a close game, and he had pulled Linebrink after only one inning.

 

Which is it people; the guy can pitch in tough spots or he can't be trusted to work out of a jam? The manager would like to know I'm sure.

 

Mr. Hunt;BLEHHH; just another second guesser, at least he gets paid to do ithttp://static.yuku.com//domainskins/bypass/img/smileys/mad.gif

I don't believe Yost is getting ripped for letting Linebrink start the 8th. I believe Yost is getting ripped for letting Linebrink pitch against Valentin. It was an idiotic decision, and his only defense of it was to say, "I liked Linebrink in that situation." Well, Ned, that's why you're not a good manager.

[lukevan]

I think this was more a defense of the bats. You should expect to win a game in which you score 6, obviously it won't always happen, but I think Prince is just saying don't rag on the offense when we score 6 runs (even though they could've had a couple more).

 

Everyone start imagining a 7-2 road trip... let's do our part.

[Fatter than Joey]

He is right - Who really cares what the pitchers think.

 

Well -- There have been plenty of games lately where the likes of Kip Wells has shut down the Brewers bats for most of the games.

 

The other side of this coin is that guys like Fielder,Braun, Weeks, Hall, etc. are all below or way below average defensively. Pitchers like Cappy and Suppan are never going to strike out 17 hitters in a game. They are going to induce a lot of groundballs, and when the defense behind them is making errors/non-plays, 6 runs is not going to be enough.

 

Certainly I do not want to absolve the pitching -- It has been very bad at times, but I think the defense has been consistently worse. The offense also has been sporadic at best, a lot of opposing pitchers have benefited from 5-10 pitch innings.

 

IF Prince is pointing fingers at the pitching, that is probably ill-advised. If he is speaking to the pitching/defense, I would agree that they should be able to keep teams under 6 runs more often than not.

[1992casey]

Let's focus on Fielder's comment and choose from the plethora of Yost threads to discuss Nedly. http://forum.brewerfan.net/images/smilies/smile.gif