Hall to SD in off-season??

[hauser42]

I was reading some rumors on the net and it stated that Kenny Williams was really hard after Kahil Greene for a SS at the trade deadline. Williams is hoping to get something done this off-season so that would leave a hole at SS for the Padres. My thinking is that Hall would have value as SS for the Padres.

They do have some good young pitching prospects that we could go after or some young OFers. They loose Cameron this year so his spot needs to filled by them also.

Any thoughts on this or another team that might use Hall as a infielder?

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[RyDogg66]

Hall for AA pitching prospect Will Inman, I hear he is pretty good.

[fondybrewfan]

How about Hall for Peavy, I would do that http://forum.brewerfan.net/images/smilies/smile.gif

[Invader3K]

I personally think Hall or Weeks will get traded this off-season, with the other staying on as the Brewers 2B. I'd rather have offensive help than pitching help at this point, as I feel someone in the Brewers pitching staff will step up and start being a reliable starter (Parra, Gallardo, Vargas, Villanueva, etc).

[Boy Jeenius]

Trading Hall this offseason would be selling low. DM is real adept at selling high. IMO they have higher hopes for Hall in the long run. This may be a place where Escobar may have some trade value, but I think that's a year or even 2 away. I don't think the Brewers are a match for the Padres right now. Their farm system is still real thin, even after adding Inman and Garrison.

[paul253]

i know its too soon to give up on Weeks, but I'd love to see Hall as the full time second basemen. Outfeild seems to be the easiest position to fill with veterans, and we could easily sign Jenkins to a one year deal if need be. We have Hart and Gwynn both ready for spots, and we have a ton of young outfielders coming up, as pointed out in another thread.

[princeginterhallhelms04]

Yeah there is no way i see Doug selling low on Hall. I am pretty sure that in 08 you will still be seeing Hall patrolling the green grass of miller park. However if i were to trade him it would not be to S.D. I would be looking for a package that wowed me and helped us on the mlb level as well as helping in restocking the minors. But just don't see a package like that coming along.

[hardy7]

Why would we trade Hall? That would leave 2 open spots in the outfield next year - center and left. I'm pretty sure that Jenkins' option won't be picked up ($9 million). We just signed Hall to an extention before this year. I don't understand why we would trade him or Weeks when we are looking to win now. I thought that Hall is a part of the formula of the Brewers winning now. I know that he is not having a year close to last year (I kind of figured he wouldn't anyways), but I can't think of anyone we could replace him next year that we can afford.

[DHonks]

Hall's signed cheaply and has been rather good in CF, so I don't see him being traded. I see Vargas and Cappy being dealt, and I see Graffy, Miller, Jenkins, and Mench moving on. And I see Dillon or Cirillo as our extra IF.

[dadofandrew]

I see no reason they'd even consider trading Bill, they just signed him to an extension.

[Samurai Bucky]

Hall's signed cheaply and has been rather good in CF, so I don't see him being traded. I see Vargas and Cappy being dealt, and I see Graffy, Miller, Jenkins, and Mench moving on. And I see Dillon or Cirillo as our extra IF.

 

I thought Cirillo said he was retiring after this year.

 

http://www.startribune.com/twins/story/1265687.html

[DHonks]

I thought Cirillo said he was retiring after this year.

I hadn't heard that. I was just mentioning him or Loretta as a guy that could be a great fit. Or, theoretically if he keeps making progress, Koskie would be a fantastic guy for the backup at 3b/1b. Of course, I guess we can't rule out Rottino or now Nelson. Thinking of Nelson, do we know if he's competent at 3b? If so, then it's not easy to find someone for the league minimum coming off of a 20 homer season in AAA at 1b and 3b.

[MNBrew]

Signing Mark Loretta as our super-sub, periodic starter, Cirillo-like hitting backup IF would be a total coup! Of course, I'd love to have Cirillo back, too. But if he follows through on his plan to retire, I hope it's Loretta returning.

 

The thing is, from time to time I wonder if Cirillo would've been as definite about retiring if the Brewers had hung onto him.

 

Well, no matter how you slice it, I'd love him and/or Loretta back.

 

And on a tangent, after watching a lot of that footage on the JSOnline re: the '82 reunion, does anyone else wonder if the Brewers wouldn't be well-served to get Ted Simmons working for them again? Looking through that thread about how his offensive stats compare to the best catchers of all time, then reading about his leadership on the '82 team, and reflecting on the respect that was shown him for a while when he was working in Pittsburgh's front office, I know I find myself wondering that. And I'm one of the last guys to clamor for bringing all the Glory Days Brewers back to run the club.

[MNBrew]

Sorry, I should've brought my previous post back 'round to the original topic...

 

While Hall may be a fit for SD, I doubt he's going anywhere. The front office still sees him as a building block for this team and he's signed to that big extension with at least 3 years remaining. If Melvin's good at one thing in particular in his deals during his Milwaukee tenure so far, it's knowing when to hold and when to sell. This would be selling quite low on Hall, and he ought to be worth more than they could get for him this offseason.

[DuWayne Steurer]

Hall would have fetched twice as much as a trading chip after last season as he would now.

 

For the production that he is capable of (.825-.850 OPS) he's going to be underpaid for the next few years. I see no reason to move him at this point, considering the return would almost certainly not be of equal value to what Hall himself is likely to provide next year in a full healthy season.

[TwinsBrewersWorldSeries]

Here's the thing though guys.... was Hall's breakout year in '06 an outlier, or is his mediocre '07 the outlier?

 

2006 Stats .270/.345/.553 .898 OPS 35 HR 85 RBI (Age 26)

2007 Stats .262/.323/.435 .758 OPS 11 HR 48 RBI (Age 27)

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Career Stats: .266/.322/.471 .793 OPS 78 HR 273 RBI

 

I was excited as the next guy when we signed Billy for 4 years in the offseason... but six months later, I can't wait to get rid of that contract. Billy's #s are similar to his 06 season, and dead on with his career numbers, except for a MAJOR drop off in power? Not sure what has caused this, but a major power outage could be a result of struggling in a new position (CF), or.....

 

I think getting Inman back for Hall would be a great deal for us and free up some salary. I'm not high on Tony Gwynn Jr, but if he can produce a .350-.360 OBP, he probably has more value to us that Hall who'd only give us 11 HR from that position anyways.

[endaround]

Since Gwynn likely can't do that, what's the point? And even at his current level of play Hall's contract is fine.

[BillScottCanRake]

Here's the thing though guys.... was Hall's breakout year in '06 an outlier, or is his mediocre '07 the outlier?

 

I think it's important to note that Hall pre-2005 (and pre-25) was pretty bad. And while those years shouldn't be ignored, I don't think what he did in 2002, 2003 and 2004 are much of an indicator of what he'll do the next couple of years. To try to figure out that, I'd be more inclined to use his 2005, 2006 and 2007 seasons, as those give us both a large enough sample and a more relevant sample.

 

2005 291/342/495 837 OPS

2006 270/345/553 898 OPS

2007 262/323/435 758 OPS

 

The first thing that jumps out at me is just how good his 2005 season was. The second is that while it's clear that Hall is having his worst year since that dreadful 2004 season, he is clearly a much better player. While his BA is down and he's walking less than he did in 2006, he is still walking much more than he did in 2005. And while his home runs have fallen off from last year, they are pretty close to what they were in 2005.

 

If I had to try to predict what Hall would do in 2008, I'd say its probable that he put up a season somewhat similar to his 2005 season, probably with a lower BA but more walks and 20-25 home runs instead of 17. That puts his OPS in the 800-820 range, and I'd take that.

[dadofandrew]

Most everyone expected a bit of regression to the mean with Hall in '07. If he's an 830 OPS guy, both his '06 and '07 are within 10% of what you'd expect, and well within mathematical sense. Line drives and balls in the gap simply do not even out equally. There is also an ongoing learning curve...pitchers keep changing how they pitch Bill, and he has to adjust. Any issues he has are related to plate discipline, his swing often looks long and he is unable to not swing at balls out of the strike zone...as long as that's the case, he won't see many mistakes.