8/12/07 - Brewers (Vargas) at Astros (Williams) - 1:05pm CT. Tribute to the Great Memories of Izzy Alcantara IGT

[jazzytrav]

Chat is back up for those interested

[moofnelson]

Why does Vargas bother getting ahead in the count?

[Brewcrewin07]

2-0 Rockies!!! Their Pitcher got his first major league hit and RBI. http://forum.brewerfan.net/images/smilies/happy.gif

[adambr2]

Is that with 1 out, or 0 outs, 1 out, and 2 outs all included?

 

All included. Seriously, I don't think I've met a fan of any team that ever thought their team scored enough runners from 3B with less than 2 out. Most fans seem to think a batter should be able hit a deep fly ball at will.

 

 

No, but if the league average for scoring a runner on 3rd with 1 out is around 57%, it would be nice if we were at least in the ballpark of that.

[The Ignitor]

Is that with 1 out, or 0 outs, 1 out, and 2 outs all included?

 

All included. Seriously, I don't think I've met a fan of any team that ever thought their team scored enough runners from 3B with less than 2 out. Most fans seem to think a batter should be able hit a deep fly ball at will.

While there is truth to your statement as well, you can't deny that this team is challenged in getting that man home in that situation.

 

[pitchleague]

come on, Claudio!

[Ennder]

Is that with 1 out, or 0 outs, 1 out, and 2 outs all included?

 

All included. Seriously, I don't think I've met a fan of any team that ever thought their team scored enough runners from 3B with less than 2 out. Most fans seem to think a batter should be able hit a deep fly ball at will.

 

 

No, but if the league average for scoring a runner on 3rd with 1 out is around 57%, it would be nice if we were at least in the ballpark of that.

I'm going to guess that the real key to that situation is the strikeouts. I doubt that the pop outs and ground balls end up being a huge factor, those are probably more just sample size issues. We are a low OBP, high K, high SLG team so my gut instinct is that our situational stats for runners on 3rd with 0 or 1 outs will look bad but our situational stats with runners on 1st looks better than most teams from the doubles and HR's. In the end what really matters is runs scored overall and we are doing ok in that.

[MadisonBrewerBlue]

my god there is the double play... he truly is houdini

[Oldcity]

And we think the Brewers strand runners? Yikes, that one has to be frustrating.

[vbkooler]

Houdini is back.........go Claudio go

[adambr2]

I can't believe that Vargas hasn't given up a run today, because he's just been terribly painful to watch. Great job working out of another one.

[pitchleague]

that oughta shut those people up!

[Sepolevne]

They had said on the Astros feed that Vargas threw 13 of 17 first pitch strikes, but had had 7 full counts.

[madjeff66]

Houston's runner on 3rd stats have to be ugly just from facing Vargas this year. This is exactly like his April start against them

[The Ignitor]

I should add, I don't expect a high fly at will, but I do expect a batter to put the ball in play somewhere on occasion. The problem in that situation recently (although not today) is 3-4 pitch strikeouts, which have a nearly zero percent chance (expect perhaps on a passed ball or wild pitch) of scoring a run. A ball in play could be a sacrifice fly, an error, a slow infield roller which might get the man home, or the team might not even come home on a ball hit in the infield. The point is, contact in that situation has a much greater chance of scoring than the K's that this team seems to thrive in with a runner on third.

[MadisonBrewerBlue]

weeks is an on base machine this series

[rluzinski]

Weeks has 1 hit since he's been back up but has been on base 7 times. Whatever works, I guess.

While there is truth to your statement as well, you can't deny that this team is challenged in getting that man home in that situation.

 

Considering the Brewers' low OBP and tendency to strike out, I wouldn't be surprised if it was below average. I suspect that it's not as bad as some think but frankly, I don't really know. I've watched just about all the games but won't pretend I can mentally keep track of all the situations and their outcomes. I am skeptical anyone else can either.

 

I also think that while the Brewers might not be good in that area, they excel in others. In the end, runs scored is all that matters.

[Mr QL]

SO MANY POP UPS

 

MAKE IT STOP

[Sepolevne]

Prince sure is having an off day today.

[Oldcity]

Even when Vargas isn't allowing runs, it's excruciating to watch him pitch. So slooowww.

[Oldcity]

I hate that stupid stadium. Nice 310 foot homer Craig.

[jloos19]

Braun hits one 670 feet to center and it doesn't leave the stadium and Biggio hits one 320 and it's a homer. And that's supposed to make sense?

[The Ignitor]

Run scored is all that matters. But the extent the team is failing to score a run at a rate that should be expected in a situation that usually favors the offense, that affects the maximum potential of a team's run scored.

 

I'm not saying we scrap the offense here. We are primarily a power hitting team and should stay so. But I also think balance is an important characteristic of a good team. On occasion, this team needs to favor contact over power to produce the run in situations where contact increases the likelihood of producing the run. It certainly will still fail to always produce the run, but trading an out for the run in that situation hopefully will result in more total runs scored over the course of the season.

[yogallardo43]

That is why I am so amazed that Carlos has only 24 HR this year. I figured that would be a launching pad for him.

[timothyw80]

After Loretta's walk did anyone see Yost shake his head and say every time...