Sheets vs. Yo, who'll top out better?

[futurebrewerfather]

In looking at the new Power 50, I started thinking about how good will the minor league pitchers really be in the end. And with Yo getting most of the pub, I started wondering "Will he be as good as Sheets is?", because I think Sheets, when healthly ( I hate that I have to put that in there), is one of the Top 20 pitchers in the game. So, how good does everyone think Yo will be when he's in his prime? Better then Sheets, equal too, or worse then Sheets? And using the Power 50's top 5 future starting pitchers, how will Yo, Inman, Parra, Jeffress, and Rogers, when in their prime, be in comparison to our current starting rotation. Who will they be better then, worse then or equal too?

 

Thanks for your thoughts!

[LV Brewer Fan]

Personally I think it is really hard to say. At this point the only two you can project IMO are Yo and Parra. Yo's numbers are actually a little better than Sheets' numbers at AAA if I recall, but I haven't seen Yo pitch so I can't speak to his stuff like others here probably can. If I had to guess right now I would say Yo would be a little under Sheets, mainly because I to think that when right Sheeter is a top 10 pitcher in baseball. Parra I think projects in line with Capuano. I think Parra's stuff may be a little better (I believe he throws a little harder 91-93) but he hasn't pitched at a level higher than AA. He also seems to walk a few guys much in the same mold as Chris. For me, trying to project Jeffress, Inman and Rogers is just too tough. They are all very young and haven't pitched at a level higher than A+ ball. So many things can happen between now and 3 years from now when realistically any of the three get their first look at the show (maybe two years from now if Inman keeps progressing so well).

[DHonks]

Good question. I think Sheets is the best pitcher easily, but he also might not finish with the most wins.

 

I could see Yo being a solid 1-2. Parra has huge variability. He could be a top of the rotation guy if his stuff is still as good as before. He could be a top 5th man. Or a dominant reliever.

 

With Jeffress and Rogers, nobody really knows. We've suffered enough injuries to pitchers to try not to get too excited until AA. But Yo and Inman dominated so much that we couldn't help but get excited.

 

Inman...who knows. We all hope for the best, but how will his aggressiveness fare againt the top hitters in the game? He gets by with good stuff, but mainly attitude and determination.

[TheCrew07]

If Yo can find a way to be more economical with his pitches he's got the potential to be very good, a 1 or 2 type starter. In his interviews he talked about losing focus early, walking batters, wasting pitches... I'm still not sure how I feel about that, it's good that he knows where he needs to improve, but yet, he hasn't really improved any of those areas in the month. We shall see, I'll continue to hope for the best.

[igor67]

In a hypothetical world where Yo duplicates all of Sheets periperhals he for all the world is going to look like a better player because he'd likely end up with a 20 win season or so given the current roster and a number of 15+ win seasons, which would lead to more Cy Young votes possibly an award... You can then extend the argument backwards a figure that Yo doesn't have to be anywhere as dominant as Sheets was in 04 and could still look like the better player superficially. Especially if management does something like call him up in the next week and the rest of the team starts playing better. Suddenly he becomes the guy who saved the season..........

In the end neither player is even close to being done with their careers so it's impossible to say because both are ace quality pitchers in my book and it really comes down mostly to health long term.

[iluvlamp]

My problem with this question is I see a lot of people calling YoGa a number 2. I don't pretend to know all but taking Rogers over Bailey seemed silly. Then, we get Gallardo in the 2nd. Off point I know. But, Sheets is easily better than Yo and the cries for Yo make me worry. I want to see Gallardo this season as a replacement for Vargas or Bush. I just want to see what he can do. I feel I've seen enough of him in the minors.

 

This is spoken as a minor league novicehttp://forum.brewerfan.net/images/smilies/smile.gif

[igor67]

The thing is there is something of a disconnect between a Scouting #1 and a practical major league ace. I'm quite confident that no scout who saw Maddux back in high school said this guy is an ace and might even be a HOFer. The primary requirement to be an ace is to have a 95+ fastball and enough of two other pitchers that the guy can say you might have two ++ pitches and atleast an average third pitch. Scouting wise there are only about 15 major league pitchers who get rated as aces. Practically it should be your 30 best starters in the league. Yo's problem is going to be he doesn't quite have the highest horsepower fastball in the world. It's not deficient but it's not eye popping. My guess is that given his excellent command he could throw harder he chooses not to and this is something the scouts miss.

Bottom line I'd say odds are pretty good that Yo has more then 1 season as one of the 30 best pitchers in baseball.

[endaround]

Yes Yo could easily bee on of the 30 best pitchers in baseball. Capuano has been one of the 30 best pitchers in baseball. Capunao was 26 in VORP last year. Doug Davis was 22 in 2004.

[DHonks]

The primary requirement to be an ace is to have a 95+ fastball and enough of two other pitchers that the guy can say you might have two ++ pitches and atleast an average third pitch.

 

But Igor, Maddux used to throw 93-94 with regularity. I think your point is that the ACE tag is usually given to the hardest throwers. But people forget that Maddux used to bring decent heat.