Who kidnapped Ned Yost? (all things Yost)

[mikerollins]

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2.) I think a lot of our fans understand the game -- certainly most of them do not think baseball is easy. Ned Yost has won piddly-squat to this point in his career, and we are smart enough to realize, that this is as much new territory to him, as it is to us. Fans will certainly relax, once Ned shows he can manage a team to the playoffs -- this happens with every team in every sport. Teams with proven managers have very trusting fans -- teams with unproven (like Yost) tend to get a lot more nervous.

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It's comments like this that prove some fans dont have any frickin clue.

[mikerollins]

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I also find it interesting how outside of Milwaukee, Yost is considered a fruntrunner for manager of the year.

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What do you find interesting about that??

 

That he is managing a team 11 games over .500 in the end of July and has a 3 game in lead in the Central division with a franchise that hasn't made a post season in 25 years. Hasn't finished .500 in 15 years. Has an infield all under the age of 24. Has an outfield of misfits (Hall getting used to Center, Jenkins can't hit lefties, Mench can't really hit righties (although he's actually been better at that lately)). He's got an ace on the DL. He had a number 2 pitcher (cappy) on the DL. He had his starting CF on the DL. And he has a 40 million dollar pitcher with an ERA over 5.00.

 

 

Yes. it is really "interesting" why anyone would consider him the run away manager of the year. Shocking really.

[Lil Dummy]

I agree with the general sentiment that Brewer fans are wound tighter than usual, because they haven't been part of a pennant race in what seems like forever. And I think Yost has done a nice job of keeping the team loose. My only problem with quotes like the one from Ned above is that there's some unnecessary condescension in it.

 

No need to say, "There's a whole lot that fans don't understand about this game." That's really irrelevant. My dad has been a diehard baseball fan his entire life, and he can think along with the game as well as anyone I know - yet he's a nervous wreck when the Brewers come on. It's a combination of several things: his passionate love of the Brewers, his lifelong loathing of the Cubs, and the fact that he generally tends to place too much importance on the success or failure of his favorite teams in sports.

 

I think Ned needs a P.R. lesson from Brian the Automator! http://forum.brewerfan.net/images/smilies/wink.gif

[Fatter than Joey]

It's comments like this that prove some fans dont have any frickin clue.

 

Yeah -- Please elaborate on your thoughts here. Otherwise I am afraid some people may see it as the rantings of an idiot.

[wisconsinfan47]

What do you find interesting about that??

 

I thought I was pretty clear. It's interesting because Milwaukee fans are in large part so highly critical of him, and the rest of the league, if they care, is the opposite.

 

It usually goes the other way around (though not necessarily in the case of coaches / managers), namely that home fans are the ones wearing the rose-colored glasses.

 

Also, FTJ's point was a resonable one. Yost has managed one team to a non-losing season. That's hardly encouraging when we're in the midst of a pennant race.

[jason21nl]

It's comments like this that prove some fans dont have any frickin clue.

 

if anything you need to relax dude.

[uecker9]

I would think the time spent in Atlanta would be beneficial to Yost as far as playoff runs are concerned. He had to have learned something there, don't you think?

[Thurston Fluff]

Ned Yost has won piddly-squat to this point in his career, and we are smart enough to realize, that this is as much new territory to him, as it is to us.

 

He was with the Brewers when they went to the WS in 82 as a player and with Bobby Cox as a coach for plenty of pennant races with the Braves. How much territiry does he have left to cover before you relaize he's been in this situation before?

 

Fans will certainly relax, once Ned shows he can manage a team to the playoffs -- this happens with every team in every sport. Teams with proven managers have very trusting fans -- teams with unproven (like Yost) tend to get a lot more nervous.

 

Dusty Baker, world series manager ridiculed in Chicago even after he got them a division championship. Joe Torre earlier this year was on a short leash and the fans were grumbling he lost his touch/ was too laid back. Lou Pinella earlier this year heard grumbling about his style and surprisingly enough there were complaints about his in game strategy, Bobby Valentine lead the Mets to the WS and got fired by the Mets. The list goes on. It never gets easier for managers. The only differance is very few managers who lead their division virtually all year get so much venom hurled toward them. It's ironic that the team who despite playing the best baseball in the league for a month couldn't catch the Brewers, love their manager. I guess if the Brewers would have sucked royally then got hot and were only three games off the lead Ned would be loved now as well. My guess is he'll take the hatred and the division. I wonder how Brewer fans would react if he won the WS with Milwaukee then went to a team were the fans appreciated him more.

[Fatter than Joey]

He was with the Brewers when they went to the WS in 82 as a player and with Bobby Cox as a coach for plenty of pennant races with the Braves. How much territory does he have left to cover before you realize he's been in this situation before?

 

I'm sorry but I fail to equate being a back-up catcher and a bench coach one in the same with managing. They are very different. Furthermore just because he was in those situations does not ensure he learned anything, or was a positive factor.

 

I wonder how Brewer fans would react if he won the WS with Milwaukee then went to a team were the fans appreciated him more.

 

I certainly would give him all the credit he deserved, if he produced a winning season, let alone a WS.

[areacodes]

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I certainly would give him all the credit he deserved, if he produced a winning season, let alone a WS.

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So if we had won just one more game in 2005 you'd consider Yost a different manager and give him the credit he deserves?

[Thurston Fluff]

I certainly would give him all the credit he deserved, if he produced a winning season, let alone a WS.

 

He's winning now. My point though was he has been around pennant races and that experience of how the successful teams manage it are there.

BTW even though we tend to be on the oppostie side of the fence I really do enjoy our exchanges. Your ability to stick to your guns and reasoned thoughts without condecention make our exchanges fun.http://forum.brewerfan.net/images/smilies/smile.gif

[mikerollins]

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So if we had won just one more game in 2005 you'd consider Yost a different manager and give him the credit he deserves?

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No. He wouldn't. He will never give Ned Yost credit. No matter what he does.

 

It's pretty plain and obvious that the World Series appearance in 1982, coupled with the 10 post season appearances with the Braves has given Ned Yost plenty of experience to manage a team WITH THE TALENT to compete.

 

We've been over this a thousand times. it's a waste of everyone's time to go back and show everyone the talent level of those teams in 2003 and 2004.

 

They were .500 in 2005 and dipped below due to massive injuries (Hardy, Weeks, Sheet, Ohka, etc) last year.

 

There shoud be no doubt in anyone's mind that Ned Yost is proven. And very fit to manage this team to multiple division titles and world series championships.

 

To disagree with this sediment is just being nervous and worrying to worry.

[splitterpfj]

I gave this one a bump, all things Ned can go right here.

[BrewCityUnit]

There are those of us who like Yost and those of us you don't. Fans are also looking for specific examples of why he is good manager or why is he a bad manager. I think it might benefit all of us if we ridicule him or praise him in one thread where we can look back at specific examples of his decision making.

 

I honestly believe he is the only manager in baseball who would have pitched to Pujols in the 7th inning last night in a 3-2 game with a runner on third with one out. To me that was unexcusable and mind boggling to say the least. I know Yost is going to take the blame for things beyond his control and will never get enough credit when the team wins....but isn't a big part of his job, trying to give the best possible chance for his team to win the game? Was pitching to Pujols really giving his team the best chance to suceed? Granted we probably wouldn't have came back and won anyway, but 12+ hours after the decisoin, I still can't get over it. Then to see him smiling in the dugout when the camera man had a close-up of him in the 9th inning caused me to upchuck a little bit.

[twobrewers]

Just curious - what would it take for Ned to get fired?

 

I can't imagine any chance of him losing his job DURING the season. So we will assume he is safe there - but what does he need to do to be back next year?

 

Keep in mind, I think Doug and Mark are both pretty patient guys and appreciate having a coach with a similar makeup.

 

If we end up with a losing season is he fired?

 

If we fail to make the playoffs is he fired?

 

Can he possibly be fired if we DO make the playoffs?

 

I have to think if we end up with a losing season, he needs to be fired. But anything else he is likely safe...*sigh*

[jlau20]

To disagree with this sediment is just being nervous and worrying to worry.

 

I have to.

 

I don't think anyone is disagreeing with any dirt or dust particles settling on the bottom of a lake or river.

 

Other than that it's somewhat bold to say that anyone that doesn't agree with your sentiment is being nervous.

[Fatter than Joey]

BTW even though we tend to be on the opposite side of the fence I really do enjoy our exchanges. Your ability to stick to your guns and reasoned thoughts without condescension make our exchanges fun.

 

Likewise -- I appreciate and reciprocate the sentiment.

 

On the other hand...

 

No. He wouldn't. He will never give Ned Yost credit. No matter what he does.

 

Knock it off. This sucks.

 

It's pretty plain and obvious that the World Series appearance in 1982, coupled with the 10 post season appearances with the Braves has given Ned Yost plenty of experience to manage a team WITH THE TALENT to compete

 

Again, being a coach is different than a manager.

 

We've been over this a thousand times. it's a waste of everyone's time to go back and show everyone the talent level of those teams in 2003 and 2004.

 

Ned's sucktitude is independent of the talent of those teams.

 

They were .500 in 2005 and dipped below due to massive injuries (Hardy, Weeks, Sheet, Ohka, etc) last year.

 

There were certainly other factors.

 

There should be no doubt in anyone's mind that Ned Yost is proven. And very fit to manage this team to multiple division titles and world series championships.

 

Why? Because you say so?

 

To disagree with this sediment is just being nervous and worrying to worry.

 

Again, this sucks please knock it off. I disagree with you, I may be right I may be wrong -- but I am not nervous or worrysome.

[MoneyballMan]

What do you find interesting about that??

 

That he is managing a team 11 games over .500 in the end of July and has a 3 game in lead in the Central division with a franchise that hasn't made a post season in 25 years. Hasn't finished .500 in 15 years. Has an infield all under the age of 24. Has an outfield of misfits (Hall getting used to Center, Jenkins can't hit lefties, Mench can't really hit righties (although he's actually been better at that lately)). He's got an ace on the DL. He had a number 2 pitcher (cappy) on the DL. He had his starting CF on the DL. And he has a 40 million dollar pitcher with an ERA over 5.00.

 

 

Yes. it is really "interesting" why anyone would consider him the run away manager of the year. Shocking really.

 

I haven't paid too much attention to this thread, but found this post to be pretty close to my sentiment. There are always in-game situations that can be second-guessed (and I've been one to do so on occasion). But the points made above are good ones. I'm not sure you could plug anyone else in who could have done better to this point - overall.

 

And here's an interesting idea I've pondered when reading this thread. The winningest team in baseball over the past 20 years is probably the Yankees (I'm assuming that's true, but I guess I didn't double check). But is Joe Torre considered the best manager (i.e. could he take what Yost has been given and done any better?). He's won a couple of AL manager-of-the-year awards, but why not 10 of them given his record?

 

I'm not completely excusing Ned from all of his questionable moves, but OVERALL he's pretty solid. And "innocent until proven guilty". Let's see how they finish and go from there.

 

And now that I just posted this, I'm sure he'll be replaced tomorrow!!http://forum.brewerfan.net/images/smilies/wink.gif

[logan82]

I think the 24 - 10 start got Ned Yost "fired in the media". At the start of the season reasonable expectations were I believe around 85 wins this year. We are on pace for 86 which looks like it might not win the division and everybody seems upset. I am upset. At the start of the year this was expected to be a growing year where we might get the wild card and get some playoff experience. Now the expectations seem to be World Series or bust. I am not saying that I am happy with how things have been going lately, just that maybe we should look back at what was expected at the start of the year and realize this team is still doing pretty well. This is also what hopes to be a 5 year run with the players we have now.

 

I have to say that I am pretty indifferent to who our manager is as long as they have a laid back personality and don't say dumb things or act like fools for the media.(I am looking at you Pinella) I guess I am proBrewers manager. Right now that means proYost.