Moves on the off day?

[davego]

I really hope for our sake, as well as Cappy's, that at least one of his turns is skipped. Guy needs a sick day or two.

[Ennder]

"Parra's innings are as much of a concern as Gallardo's."

 

Parra is 24. Gallardo is 21. If Parra is inserted into the rotation and averages 6 innings per start, he'd end up the year with right around 180 innings. If he figures to be in the rotation in 2008, he has to be able to handle an even larger load than that.

 

"Capuano...is not the problem"

 

Really Ender? That was pretty selective statistical analysis. Had you gone last 5,6,7 or last 2 or 3 starts his numbers would be nowhere near, but he had one good start 4 starts ago so you chose last 4 starts.

 

How's this for Capuano:

 

June: 6.55 ERA

July: 5.45 ERA

Aug: 7.36 ERA

 

No Brewer wins in any start since May 7th. And he's not a problem?

Parra has had injury problems his entire career, yes his innings are very much a concern.

 

Capuano got hurt, it happens. Why dwell on his three games after coming back. The past month he has been pitching just fine, in fact he's averaged more IP per start than any other starter recently and now you want to move him to the bullpen? He also has the second best track record over his career of any pitcher currently in our rotation. There is just no reason to even suggest moving Capuano to the bullpen over someone like Vargas.

 

Seriously with all the crap people give Yost there are worse moves suggested on this site every day than the ones he actually makes in the game.

[RU Rah Rah]

Yost won't get fired. A month from now? Maybe.

 

I appreciate the argument that it's not exactly Ned's fault that the players aren't executing, but sometimes a change at the helm turns teams around.

[WV Brew]

I agree with this statement. Ned is the manager for a first place team. I don't think he should be or will be fired.

 

They are 7 1/2 up on a replacement level team in the Nats. I don't consider that a great performance. I am not advocating firing Ned at the moment though.

[djoctagone]

assuming tony graffanino is put on the disabled list, i give it 88% that weeks is called up and 12% that vinny rottino is called up.

 

tony graffanino is also a left fielder on a team with only 4 remaining outfielders (5 if you count joe dillon . . . but he may be needed as an infielder).

 

if rottino comes up, counsell is the starter at second with dillon as back up. rottino becomes the primary back up at the corners in the infield and outfield and catcher.

 

this means an increased workload up the middle for j.j. hardy and counsell . . . which is why i'm projecting weeks at 88%.

[Fatter than Joey]

Ned is the manager for a first place team. I don't think he should be or will be fired.

 

Ned is the manager of a first place team -- I suppose that is a fact -- but it certainly is misleading.

 

Currently 6 teams in the NL have better records or less losses than the Brewers -- Really the Brewers are the 7th place team in the NL. -- If the Brewers were in the West or East they would be a third place team.

 

Over the last 30 games -- Only 2 NL teams have won less games than the Brewers, (Dodgers and Pirates) -- Now -- I know a lot of teams are going to have distributions of W/Ls in their season that is less than even -- however with the pitching and hitting looks like it has the last 30 games -- I am not very optimistic that the Brewers can win half of their remaining games.

[Fatter than Joey]

Parra has had injury problems his entire career, yes his innings are very much a concern.

 

I think this is a very important distinction to be made when comparing him to Yo.

 

I don't think Yost will be fired this season -- I think if he would have been fired the time would have been that game right before the AS break where he just about killed Capuano.

 

I hope at the very least Yost is on the "hot seat" -- If the Brewers win at the .333 clip they are currently producing at these last 30 games, I would be really surprised if he isn't fired at the end of the season.

 

I do think Weeks will be called up very soon.

[Mr QL]

The difference between Pinella and Yost is that Pinella isn't losing games because of poor in game decisions.

Oh I get it...Since you don't like Yost, the Brewers are losing because of the decisions he makes, whereas the Cubs are losing because why? Players aren't executing? Makes sense.

 

The Cubs aren't exactly playing that bad though. It's not like his team has been playing like that for the last couple months. One of their best players just got hurt. 'And before you say anything about Sheets, he isn't an everyday player and they don't have Yo like player filling in. I don't see us playing that much better if it was Sheets starting instead of Yo. Pinella also was the one who sparked the Cubs to first place BTW. I can't see them playing this bad the rest of the way either. As for us, I don't know. I see no reason we'll get any better on the road.

Maybe it's not completely fair that a manager or coach has to take the fall for their players not executing but they still do. It's alot easier to fire a manager or coach then to get rid of all the players. I don't think it would hurt the team or make them any worse, it can only do good. I have no confidence that Ned Yost will be able to take us to that next level. Who knows, maybe it would spark something. Take a look at the Bucks. Terry Stotts brought the Bucks back from the #1 pick to the playoffs but was still regarded as a bad coach. He gets the ax the next season despite major injuries to key players and having the team play pretty well before them. Was that fair?

 

[JohnBriggs12]

Ender, I'm well aware of Parra's injury history, but at some point a guy has to fish or cut bait. He's two years removed from surgery (August 4, 2005) and will be 25 in October. Sooner or later his arm has to be put to the test and now is as good a time as any. He's still young but not a kid.

 

Perhaps in the ideal world, he could be held back, but the ideal world pretty much fell apart back on June 29th with Aramis Ramirez taking Cordero deep in Chicago which really was the start of this 6 week slide.

 

Besides, how good is it for his arm for him to be up 2-3 times per week in the pen vs. one start every 5th or 6th day?

[Klements Bratwurst]

For what it is worth, Melvin did say today on "WTMJ's Brewers 360" that Rickie will be called up today when the get the results of Graffy's MRI in Milwaukee.

 

He is still striking out a bit much in AAA since he went down there.

 

Rickie Weeks in AAA

[Ennder]

Its simple math, you don't want him jumping more than 30-40 innings or so a year and you definitely don't want him to double his innings.

 

2004 - 73 IP

2005 - 91 IP

2006 - 86 IP

2007 - 122 IP already.

 

His innings are going to be a concern for sure, I just don't see how management would let him start the rest of the season. They will probably get him up around 150 IP, hope his arm holds up and then next year he can start for the team.

[Klements Bratwurst]

I also agree it is time to put Manny Parra in the rotation and gamble a little bit with him. He is almost 25, and hopefully with his arm "fixes" and the hard work he did at rehab to get him back to being pretty darn good, it is time to let this kid grow up. If he bombs worse than what Vargas or Capuano have done lately, then put him in the pen. He doesn't have to be perfect, but he has some room for error given the struggles of the current rotation.

Manny has only pitch 123.4 innings this year, so he should have enough to get them to the season's end.

Manny Parra's stats

 

[chuckiehacks]

Yost isn't getting fired today. Off-season, maybe. If he gets fired today, welcome to the Dale Sveum era. I'm fairly certain Sveum plays a role in Yost's decision-making, so firing Yost and hiring Sveum really wouldn't make that much difference.

[brewcrew00]

Ned is the manager for a first place team. I don't think he should be or will be fired.

 

Ned is the manager of a first place team -- I suppose that is a fact -- but it certainly is misleading.

 

Currently 6 teams in the NL have better records or less losses than the Brewers -- Really the Brewers are the 7th place team in the NL. -- If the Brewers were in the West or East they would be a third place team.

But the Brewers aren't in any other division, and this team isn't built to win a different division this season. To be in the hunt of the Central Division was the expectation, this is where they are, this is where management expected them to be.

 

 

I don't think it would hurt the team or make them any worse, it can only do good. ( MR.QL on Ned Yost)

I disagree with this 100%, there are a ton of things that can go wrong, if you think this team isn't responding to Ned, what do you think is going to happen if he's fired while they are in a playoff run? Wether this board likes it or not, these guys like playing for Ned and Doug likes Ned running the show. Furthermore, every team in baseball has fan message boards and radio shows who want their managers fired. Does anyone remember the talk surrounding Joe Torre earlier this season? They wanted his head out in NY, and now that they are winning, he can do no wrong once again. When push comes to shove, these guys are professional athletes, and THEY need to execute.

[brewcrewnation]

Has a manager who is in first place ever been fired?

[BrewCityUnit]

Wether this board likes it or not, these guys like playing for Ned

 

 

 

I'm sorry but this statement is not true.

[naivin]

The Cubs aren't exactly playing that bad though. It's not like his team has been playing like that for the last couple months.

 

I guess you missed the Brewers last homestand, and the first two months of the Cubs' season. If Lou gets credit for the good, he also gets blame for the bad, and last time a checked, they had a worse record than the Brewers.

 

 

One of their best players just got hurt. 'And before you say anything about Sheets, he isn't an everyday player and they don't have Yo like player filling in. I don't see us playing that much better if it was Sheets starting instead of Yo.

 

Apparently you missed the game yesterday. It was just one of those days, I know, but sure would be nice to have both Sheets and Yo to strengthen that bullpen, dontcha think? These things don't occur in a vacum.

 

 

Pinella also was the one who sparked the Cubs to first place BTW.

 

How exactly did he do that? Please don't try to tell me it was that little dirt kicking incident, because what turned the Cubs around was the fact that Zambrano stopped sucking, Ted Lilly forgot he was Ted Lilly, and the Cubs replaced guys liek Izturis, Jones, Cedeno, Eyere with the lieks of Fontenot, Theriot, Marmol, and Pie (who has since come back to earth) into the lineup.

 

Last time I checked, teh Brewers were in first place and have been most of teh season. So in your odd baseball world, Pinella sparked the Cubs to first place, but here in Milwaukee apparently it was who, the Wizard of Oz? The manager is only responsible for success in Chicago I guess.

 

You don't like Yost. I get that, but please don't make these silly arguments that make one manager responsible for the successes only, while the one you don't like (who has had a better year) is only responsible for the failures.

[Mr QL]

Ned is the manager for a first place team. I don't think he should be or will be fired.

 

Ned is the manager of a first place team -- I suppose that is a fact -- but it certainly is misleading.

 

Currently 6 teams in the NL have better records or less losses than the Brewers -- Really the Brewers are the 7th place team in the NL. -- If the Brewers were in the West or East they would be a third place team.

But the Brewers aren't in any other division, and this team isn't built to win a different division this season. To be in the hunt of the Central Division was the expectation, this is where they are, this is where management expected them to be.

 

 

I don't think it would hurt the team or make them any worse, it can only do good. ( MR.QL on Ned Yost)

I disagree with this 100%, there are a ton of things that can go wrong, if you think this team isn't responding to Ned, what do you think is going to happen if he's fired while they are in a playoff run? Wether this board likes it or not, these guys like playing for Ned and Doug likes Ned running the show. Furthermore, every team in baseball has fan message boards and radio shows who want their managers fired. Does anyone remember the talk surrounding Joe Torre earlier this season? They wanted his head out in NY, and now that they are winning, he can do no wrong once again. When push comes to shove, these guys are professional athletes, and THEY need to execute.

I'm pretty sure the last 4 games is about as bad as it can get. I didn't like Yost when we were winning. I just don't think he's a good manager.

 

[brewcrew00]

Wether this board likes it or not, these guys like playing for Ned

 

 

 

I'm sorry but this statement is not true.

 

How can you say that for certain?

[BillScottCanRake]

The Brewers have set Parra's innings limit at 150 for this year. He may get a few more or a few less, depending upon how stressful (i.e. how many pitches) those remaining innings are.

[Fatter than Joey]

Wether this board likes it or not, these guys like playing for Ned and Doug likes Ned running the show.

 

Let's not pretend we know if Doug likes Ned or "these guys like playing for Ned" -- I would point to a dugout spat, a 3 game sweep highlighted by a 19 run blowout yesterday.

But the Brewers aren't in any other division, and this team isn't built to win a different division this season.

 

Right -- I am aware that the Brewers are in the NL central -- however there is a WC at stake, so the rest of the NL and their records are pertinent to this discussion, if this team isn't built to win any other division, then they are not built to succeed in the playoffs -- I find it very unlikely that DM built a team to "win the NL central only" and not be competitive in the NL top to bottom.

Has a manager who is in first place ever been fired?

 

I am sure there has -- General Managers are going to fire managers based on the overall future and direction of their team, not their current position in relation to 4 other teams. Treading water is the precursor to drowning, I am sure DM has heard that before in his travels.

[brewcrew00]

I suppose it's not fair for me to speak for the players, I have simply heard good things from people close to the club. To add on, my point about winning in this division wasn't meant to lead though towards the long haul. I was implying that this team's shot at the playoffs this season was for the Division, not the wildcard. I don't think anyone at the start of the season expected this team to contend for a wildcard spot, but rather everyone had felt the best chance this team has at the playoffs is by winning the division. I believe with one more offseason of adjustments, and one more year of maturation, and this club will be ready to play with/against anybody. So in conclusion, not saying DM built a team to only win the central for years to come, but rather this season they felt their best chance at the post season was through winning the division, not via the wildcard.

[Fatter than Joey]

Pinella also was the one who sparked the Cubs to first place BTW.

 

I think Soriano was more the spark than Pinella

[Fatter than Joey]

I suppose it's not fair for me to speak for the players, I have simply heard good things from people close to the club..... So in conclusion, not saying DM built a team to only win the central for years to come, but rather this season they felt their best chance at the post season was through winning the division, not via the wildcard.

Well -- I think in general, players are going to say good things about their manager.

 

I understand your point about getting to the playoffs via the NL Central -- and I agree that the Brewers best chance is through the division -- however, if we can't compete in the WC race, we can't compete in the playoffs -- I can't believe that DM has that sort of mentality.

 

At the end of the day -- you see teams surging like the Braves, Phillies, etc... and the Brewers seem to be circling the toilet. I think that how the team finishes will be just as critical, if not more than their overall record when it comes to thinking about firing Yost. I don't think the Brewers will fire Yost anytime soon -- but if we see some debacles in Houston like we did in CO, and the team appears like it has gave up on Yost -- firing him may become more likely.

[brewcrew00]

FTJ I can get on board with that. I'm not saying DM built the team to fail in the post season, I do think however they looked at things from a step back before this whole ride started for '07 and determined that Soup for examples was a good FA for the division, not the fit for NL domination. I think they were confident that what they had going into this year could sneak out a division title, give the young guys a taste of the playoffs, add one or two more solid players this upcomming offseason and THEN make the push for a WS ring. They've been patient so long, I find it hard to believe they were full blown on this year being the year.