Dugout altercation

[JJHardy7]

Even if Estrada is a cancer...the Brewers traded for him and part of a manager's job is to get it to work out in the clubhouse. That's something on Ned. He obviously can only help so much with the hitting...but his lineup swapping has made me sick all year. Stick with something for at least a few days. That's what drives me nuts and how he treats the pitchers.

[Rob]

No matter what Ned Yost does it won't be enough for many people. He is in a no win situation here in Milwaukee. He seems destined for Atlanta.

[uwisfan]

good points, the entire team is sucking and underperforming, youngster & veteran alike, which obviously isn't the manager's fault. After all, he doesn't actually play. Oh, wait a second, the entire team is underperforming and the manager shouldnt get questioned for that???

[naivin]

JJHardy7[/b]]Even if Estrada is a cancer...the Brewers traded for him and part of a manager's job is to get it to work out in the clubhouse. That's something on Ned.

OMG! Tell me you're joking. Funny how Estrada wasn't a talked about as a problem or a cancer here in Milwaukee until August 2nd. Now there is some shouting in the dugout, and suddenly he is a cancer again, and its Ned's fault. One more time...nobody knows exactly what happened, who was involved, or what it was about. BTW, Ned Yost didn't trade for him. Is that on Ned too? Maybe the Brewers should trade for every talented malcontent in the league since the manager can just work it out in the club house.

[billyhallfan]

ya, that is a little bit of a stretch, I am not an Estrada fan, but we don't even know the whole story.

[naivin]

good points, the entire team is sucking and underperforming, youngster & veteran alike, which obviously isn't the manager's fault. After all, he doesn't actually play. Oh, wait a second, the entire team is underperforming and the manager shouldnt get questioned for that???

 

The whole team is underperforming? Really? Braun, Fielder, Graffanino, Hart, Jenkins, Bush, Gallardo, Parra, Shouse, Miller, Vargas, Sheets, Spurling, Turnbow...which of those guys is underperforming relative to career averages or expectations? If you name any of them, its your expectations that are the problem.

[NeedMoreFans]

I don't know why Yost got angry at Estrada today, I didn't see the game. But, in my opinion, there is an issue with hustle with Estrada, and maybe something happened today that put Yost over the edge. I'm still not convinced Estrada was injured last week. I think Yost benched him because of his lack of hustle on that double play in extra innings vs. the Reds.

 

I'm kind of hoping that the team does what it did two years ago after losing the series to the Devil Rays...go behind closed doors, get everything out of their system, then proceed to do very well down the stretch. This team has no sense of urgency right now. Hitters can't hit with RISP, pitchers (especially the bullpen) can't throw strikes, and they are just doing dumb things that they weren't doing earlier in the year. I'm not saying what happened today was a good or a bad thing, but maybe it will lead to something down the road.

[kmcasper23]

I guess there is a reason why Estrada was traded 3 times. Hope this has the same effect as the Barrett-Zambrano fight did where the crew goes on a tear now.

[brettac1]

ya, that is a little bit of a stretch, I am not an Estrada fan, but we don't even know the whole story.

Not really. He has been a cancer on teams in the past, it has been documented before. I don't think that kind of stuff matters much in the big picture of wins and losses, but when a guy is a jerk, I suppose it can cause a manager who is a little frustrated to scream at him and make a scene once in a while.

 

[Brewtacular]

Sure hope something can get this team going!

[1992casey]

I'm going to post the same reminder a couple other mods put in the Yost replacement thread:

 

Note that we have a designated Yost thread for 'all things Yost'. Let's keep this discussion focused on today's events.

[T B0NE 10]

I guess there is a reason why Estrada was traded 3 times. Hope this has the same effect as the Barrett-Zambrano fight did where the crew goes on a tear now.

 

who would catch if Estrada would be moved? I really dont think Damian Miller can handle the everyday job anymore and be effective

[AJAY]

Alright, I give up.

 

I can't stand the suspense anymore. I wish one of the players would just go ahead and leak the details to the press. It's time for one of those "speaking on the condition of anonymity" articles.

 

I am just dying to know why the argument happened. It's driving me crazy.

[drezdn]

I guess there is a reason why Estrada was traded 3 times. Hope this has the same effect as the Barrett-Zambrano fight did where the crew goes on a tear now.

who would catch if Estrada would be moved? I really dont think Damian Miller can handle the everyday job anymore and be effective

I don't think he's been catching much lately, but if Estrada is really that bad, then you could maybe call up Vinny Rottino.

 

[rluzinski]

I doubt this amounts to much at all, Ajay. A little yelling in the dugout is not something that generally turns into anything bigger. They'll take care of it internally and that will most likely be the end of it.

 

I don't see how the Brewers' emotional approach to the games has anything to do with their losing as of late. They aren't hooting and hollering because they aren't winning. To turn that around and say they aren't winning because they aren't showing emotion just doesn't make much sense, IMO. Fans like to see players get mad because it let's them know that the players want to win as much as the fans want them to. I have no reason to question their dedication, however. I don't want the batters swinging angry and I don't want the pitchers throwing angry. I want the players to remain confident and trust in their physical abilities to win games.

[burniebrewer]

Adam McCalvy has a story about the altercation on Brewers.com with some comments from Melvin regarding the incident. They also have a brief video of the incident.

 

http://milwaukee.brewers.mlb.com/news/gameday_recap.jsp?ymd=20070802&content_id=2125134&vkey=recap&fext=.jsp&c_id=mil

 

 

Edit-Sorry about the link, I'm still trying to figure this all out. Huh? Now, I'm stuck in italics. Ugh.

 

[valpocrewsader]

Tempers flare as Brewers drop finale

 

 

(adjusted link --1992)

[TheCrew07]

I like what Braun had to say... Hall seems to feel slighted by all the press the Cubs have been getting. Sheets and Jenkins... that's funny stuff.

[pretendastronaut]

"We have a lot of baby showers, a lot of birthday parties [for] kids on the team, [so we] were disagreeing about what gifts we should get," Graffanino said. "It's fine. We're fine. Everything's good."

 

hahaahaha, see, we ARE over thinking everything! http://forum.brewerfan.net/images/smilies/wink.gif

[brewmann04]

Bottom line here Hopefully Ben did not do any damage to his finger.

[dpapo]

It sounds like it was more than just Estrada,

 

"The skirmish happened at the end of a tunnel that connects the dugout to the home clubhouse and was captured by the Mets' television crew. It was a confusing jumble of players and coaches that apparently started with a confrontation involving Yost and catcher Johnny Estrada and continued between Yost and infielder Tony Graffanino. In both instances, other players and coaches, including pitching coach Mike Maddux and bench coach Dale Sveum, served as shields to keep things from escalating further."

 

and

 

"I think there was some frustration expressed on a number of different sides about our style of play and about the way we've been playing," the manager said. "We handled it and took care of it, like good teams do."

 

Hopefully this gets the team going in the right direction. Maybe letting out some steam and frustrations is what this team needed.

 

[Ennder]

I really don't think this is a hustle thing, Estrada busted his butt to get a double tonight. I think if there was a problem its with his pitch selection, Estrada looked good running the bases and hitting tonight.

[AdvantageSchneider]

Okay, well, uh... candlesticks always make a nice gift, and uh, maybe you could find out where she's registered and maybe a place-setting or maybe a silverware pattern. Okay, let's get two! Go get 'em.

[Team Canada]

I think everyone is misinterpreting that comment about not waiting for Yost, and I'm sure context would be extremely enlightening. I take as the player just saying that it's their responsibility to turn things around, but it's hard to know for sure..

 

 

As for the "incident", I happened to flip over to 1070 coming home from work, and they took a call from a season ticket holder down by the dugout, and *supposedly* what he found out talking to the bat boy is that Yost was calling out Estrada for pitch selection, specifically the 0-2 counts with CV where he hit a guy and then gave up the homer..

[Blancofan1]

I really liked Braun's comment at the end of the article. Sounds as if he is stepping up to be a team leader on and off of the field already.

 

And ask Moises Alou about Braun's weakness on defense after the last two days!