05/06/2004 - Milwaukee (Obermueller) at Cincinnati (Harang)

[AJAY]

I should have watched FRIENDS instead.

[rluzinski]

No matter what Yost does, some people will say it ws the smart choice. What exactly did Yost gain by leaving Oby in there? let's see, he pitched a total of NO innings after he batted.

 

WHATEVER. Just talk about what a great motivator he is.

 

EDIT: O look Kieschnick. Maybe he should have pitched TYO START THE INNING.

[Duff Man21]

Ok...this pisses me off.

 

Kieschnick comes in to pitch now. Why the HELL was he still sitting on the bench when the bases were loaded in the top of the inning?

 

Let him take a rip and let him pitch. Isn't that his whole deal?

 

I think this whole game can be summed up in this phrase:

 

"What the hell?"

 

(Keep in mind I'm following the PG-13 rule of the board)

[BuckyTuba]

thank god, let's get some back.

[JaNelson52]

i fully blame ned yost. what the hell is he thinking? letting overmueller hit with the bases loaded with only a 2 run lead. Wes had nearly 100 pitches already after 6.

 

Wes was only at 86 pitches...BIG difference, there.

 

Yost did all he could do. He tried to milk one more inning out of Obermueller, and it just didnt work. With only two guys fresh in the pen, and one of them struggling mightily (Bennett), Yost had little choice.

 

EDIT: To be fair, its also hard to win games when you give the opposing team 6 outs in an inning. The defense in that inning was just pathetic, and for such a "sparkplug" that Pods can be, and for the handful of decent plays he makes, he is not a good defender at all.

[PeaveyFury]

Assuming that is the case, the current management with this roster is absolutely clueless. Durrington has no place on this team with the current state of this pitching staff.

 

Yeah, I don't get it either. My ONLY guess is that maybe Burba's situation didn't develop until after the trip started.... still, Indy is what, 100 miles from Cincy?

 

Knowing now that Burba's hurt, I definitely retract my feelings about DLing Kolb as well http://forum.brewerfan.net/images/smilies/wink.gif

[MarquesJohnson2000]

Well at least it lasted shorter (I think) than that inning during the home opener...

[DuWayne Steurer]

rluzinski hit it on the head. Kiesch can give you 2 innings. You pinch hit him in the top of the 7th. He pitches the 7th, HOPEFULLY the 8th.

 

Now, he's in the game ANYWAYS, and we're down 3 instead of up 2.

 

Yost had options. He didn't have MANY options, and none of them were what I'd call attractive, but he HAD options.

[DHonks]

Yost had options. He didn't have MANY options, and none of them were what I'd call attractive, but he HAD options.

 

Strange, cause I don't believe an option for Yost was to have his defense give the Reds 7 outs (since there should have been a DP and a flyout). They should have put up a zero on the board, and then we wouldn't be questioning things.

[DuWayne Steurer]

DHonks, no matter what, I'm gonna question having your pitcher hit with the bases loaded with 2 outs in the 7th inning.

 

Regardless of the errors, Obie put the 1st two guys he faced on base. THEN he brings in the inexperienced Bennet (like he always seems to do) with no one out and a pair of guys on base.

[JaNelson52]

Regardless of the errors, Obie put the 1st two guys he faced on base. THEN he brings in the inexperienced Bennet (like he always seems to do) with no one out and a pair of guys on base.

 

You can't just say "regardless of the errors". If that was Dan Kolb out there instead of Jeff Bennett and the same errors took place, you would totally say that it was the defense that did in the team in the inning.

 

If the defense comes through and just makes the routine plays, the Reds dont score. And Brooks is set up to pitch the final two innings. And Yost is considered a fine manager for working through a thin pitching staff.

 

Fine line, isn't it?

[rluzinski]

As I said, some people will defend Yost no matter what.

 

Fine, Yost played it by the numbers. Great job!

[PeaveyFury]

As I said, some people will defend Yost no matter what.

 

The thing is, the opposite is true as well- some people will nitpick every single move the guy makes regardless of the situation behind it.

[Kraft4a3]

Errors or not I was pretty ticked when Obie was batting in the 7th. For the lone fact that everyone new they were going to have to bring someone in for him in the bottom of the inning anyway.

 

He is solid 2 times through the order for the most part, but 3rd and 4th times are scaring. Obie leaves the game without recording an out. Little frustrated right now on how Yost is handling the bullpen/starting pitchers.

 

This is a game were the Brewers dominated for 6 innings, but it will go for nothing. "Well we played solid baseball though" I like solid baseball, but can we get a win once in awhile.

[DuWayne Steurer]

Ja, I'll say again, NO MATTER WHAT, I'm gonna question letting him hit with the sacks juiced. For the sake of argument, let's say they get out of the bottom of the 7th with no damage. I'm still going to say that was the wrong call.

 

That's just my opinion, but there it is.

[tyguy20204]

I'm speechless.

 

What an embarassing game.

 

Two in a row - it hurts.

[1992casey]

I'll blame Yost but I won't blame Bennett. I agree with the post that said that Kieschnick should have hit in the 7th, then pitched.

 

By the way, did anyone catch the conversation between Daron and Bill about OPS? I didn't catch what brought it up, but Bill said he wasn't very interested in the stat at all. I would think announcers would be interested in discussing most stats.

[PeaveyFury]

Brooks has thrown a lot of pitches. If we somehow manage to tie this up, I have no idea who'll be able to pitch.

 

We NEED a fresh reliever to join us in NY tomorrow....

[JaNelson52]

As I said, some people will defend Yost no matter what.

 

Fine, Yost played it by the numbers. Great job!

 

I question Ned's decisions as much as anyone else here, but its also quite easy to make the managerial decisions from the easy chair in your living room, and then criticize those judgments when/if they don't work out.

 

Yost had two pitchers left for three innings of work, and one of those pitchers (Bennett) has been bad of late. If Yost had another fresh arm out there, I would probably agree that he should have PH for Wes in the 7th. But its pretty clear that Yost just was hoping for one more inning from Wes, and then go to Brooks to finish the game.

 

Like I said before, Yost can only work with what he has.

 

Also, I find it funny that just about NO ONE is blaming the defense for the Reds big inning...its all Yost for leaving Wes in there. If the D just makes the plays, we arent having this discussion.

[DuWayne Steurer]

Ja, I SNAPPED when Pods dropped that ball! I didn't want to post about it, for fear that I'd punch out my computer!

 

I agree for the most part, that we wouldn't be having this discussion if the defense makes the plays, but I still say, and I'm sure a lot agree that it was questionable right from the moment Wes stepped in the batters box.

 

ANYHOO, this shows more than anything that we need some help in the pen. SOMEONE needs to be DL'd if they can't pitch. And send Durrington down.

 

Right now, we're not playing to win, we're playing just to get to tomorrow, and that's not right.

[AJAY]

http://www.cincinnati.com/postcard/img/photos/bag_head.jpg

[1992casey]

Obviously, the defense was the prime reason for the big inning.

[JaNelson52]

Just gotta take this series, throw it out the window, and move on.

 

The Brewers stole two from the Reds at the Keg. I'd say Cincy is now even.

 

I agree fully with Peavey...if Durrington isnt DFA tomorrow to bring up SOMEONE from AAA, there is something seriously wrong with the way this roster is being managed.

[Justin Einerson]

Big innings usually follow big mistakes by the other team... Ned Yost's decision to let Obermueller hit in the seventh was an absolute joke... yes the errors were ridiculous too, but you just don't let a pitcher hit in the seventh in that situation when he's given up FOUR runs.

 

I tell you what, I feel bad for Jeff Bennett for having nine holes behind him (including himself).

 

But alright...Alright, let's get the Mets tomorrow.

[JaNelson52]

Right now, we're not playing to win, we're playing just to get to tomorrow, and that's not right.

 

Thats not true, RoCo. Forget about Kieschnick...he was obviously being saved for the end of the game. Yost felt that leaving Wes in there to go out for the 7th was better than PH someone and putting Bennett in there...and the way Bennett has pitched of late, I would certainly agree. To be quite honest, Wes pitched pretty well tonight, really making only one mistake (the HR to Griffey).