07/15/2004: Brewers (Davis) at Cubs (Prior)

[clancyphile]

The Brewers need more power... there's no avoiding it. The offense can't support the pitchers.

[DuWayne Steurer]

Ok, someone explain to me why there's still people pimping for Hall to be starting.

[MarquesJohnson2000]

Bill Hall batting, two strikes. There are only two possible outcomes:

 

1) Pitch is a strike, Hall looks at it for strike three.

 

2) Pitch is outside the zone, Hall swings and misses for strike three.

[JaNelson52]

Sellers.

 

 

These guys just aren't good enough, folks. Playoff-caliber teams score runs. This group can't.

 

Its gonna piss some people off, but with the glut of teams still "believing" they are in it, Doug getting his tradeable guys on the market now could pay dividends.

 

We're sellers, people. Its time to face it.

[rluzinski]

But doubles are BETTER than HRs.... UGH

[DuWayne Steurer]

Playoff-caliber teams score runs. This group can't.

 

Yes they can. Just not after the first inning!

[DHonks]

He might be a great motivator, which in-and-of itself is a good thing in pro sports, but he is one of the poorer in-game managers in baseball today.

 

don't agree with that one bit. I almost always agree with (or at least understand) Yost's moves. He is our first manager in over a decade with a clue as to how to manage a pitching staff (and i think most comes from Maddux).

The only move I typically don't agree with is not pinch-hitting for the catchers more often, but lately (tonight included) he's done that much more.

[endaround]

Yost is a terrible in game manger, there is no way about it. He handles the starting pitching well, but the bullpen has no set rotation with people going days without pitching. He doesn't realize that Grieve should never be replaced by Clark if the Brewers are behind. He keeps Bennett playing past the time the starting pitcher goes out.

[DuWayne Steurer]

Well, he didn't hit into a double play.

[DHonks]

Jenkins with another classic night. Seems like we've seem these all too much the last 4 years, especially this year. He's gotta be hurt.

[DuWayne Steurer]

15 baserunners = 1 run

 

pathetic

[batman]

Normally I'm on the other side of this discussion, but I think Ned Yost is a very good manager despite his in-game shortcomings. He does a great job of motivating his players, he doesn't hit-and-run, sacrifice, and steal very much, and he does a great job of limiting his starters' pitch counts.

 

I'll take him, warts and all. I do wish he would reconsider some of his in-game tendencies and just generally improve as a tactician, but hopefully that will come with time.

 

Sucky game.

 

~Bill

[AJAY]

Game over. This offense stinks.

[DuWayne Steurer]

But hey! The team's OBP% for the game was .400! That's good, right?!?

[endaround]

I do think Yost is a good manager, but he is terrible with his in game decisions. I just hope that he doesn't have the ingrained Cox way of doing things and that he is willing to learn from someone on how to make better decisions.

[batman]

Before people start ranting about how walks are useless, we *did* do a good job of getting baserunners tonight. The problem is that we have several black holes in the lineup that always make outs. If they would chip in with the occasional walk or base hit, we'd be fine, or at least more fine than we are right now. And when one of your black holes is your #3 hitter, you have problems.

 

~Bill

[ja002h]

I love how people keep making dramatic statements (good or bad) based on the performance of one game. The Brewers offense has been this bad all year, and look what the record is. Each loss isn't some harbringer of imminent doom, nor does a Cubs sweep signal the wild card is imminent.

Moderation, my friends.

[brewmann04]

if the pitching does not get off to a good start and the way the offense has been playing terrible we could be in for a long long road trip

[endaround]

Well, but a sweep by the Cubs will end the Wild Card hopes.

[clancyphile]

Prescisely.

 

And the fact is, Overbay arguably should be the #3 hitter. There is just nobody else to protect Jenkins, though.

 

Time to be sellers. Move Santos, Grieve, and Counsell as best as possible. If Spivey were healthy... maybe the Crew could get some decent help. As it is, Doug Melvin HAS to look for the best catcher available in free agenct and sign him.

[batman]

Moderation, my friends.

 

Indeed. I've fallen victim to overreaction more than my share of times, but tonight wasn't as bad as it is being made out to be. We got a lot of baserunners... that's a good thing. If we keep getting this many baserunners every game, I guarantee we will score enough runs to win a lot of games. We might never be an offensive juggernaut, but I think there are a lot of positives to take out of tonight's game.

 

Jenkins isn't one of them, although he did draw a walk. That's a start, right?

 

~Bill

[endaround]

1) Jenkins doesn't need protection since he can't hit anything. Maybe if he would stop always swinging he could get on base.

 

2) Why move Santos? He has pitched fairly similar to Davis this year and is making the minimum. Selling Davis high might be an idea, but really no reason to do that either.

 

3) The Brewers are not going to sign a FA catcher of any note.

[DuWayne Steurer]

I knew that comment would set a few people off!

 

http://forum.brewerfan.net/images/smilies/roll.gif

 

9 walks is great, but it's not the team that walks the most that gets the win. I'm as big a proponent of OBP as just about anyone (except Bill and Al) but you need guys that can, y'know, HIT, to bring those walks in. You just *aren't* going to get those 4 walk innings often enough to create a whole heck of a lot of runs.

 

And Bill, you can say that we'll score a heck of a lot of runs if we keep walking like this, but I don't see it. This team is in an offensive slump BIG TIME, and taking 9 walks, while getting only 5 hits (2 of which were infield singles) is not exactly a precursor to busting out.

 

OBP = Good.

 

Runs = the end result

 

We're not seeing the end result. Why? No hitting. Why? No sluggers.

[JoeHova]

Quote:

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Time to be sellers. Move Santos

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why the hell do you keep harping on this? Did Santos sleep with your mom or something? He's been pitching well and he's cheap, why dump him?

[endaround]

Keep in mind, the two highest paid position players next year? Jenkins and Helms.