3/24/05 - Seattle (Sele) @ Brewers (Hendrickson), 2:00 PM CT

[GenoSeligPrieb]

"Krynzel with a fantastic catch into the wall. "

 

That's 2 days in a row where Dave makes a spectacular running catch by the wall....while Brady lets Podsednik get one by him yesterday, and an inside-the-parker today. Hmmm...

 

I'm just sayin'!

 

http://forum.brewerfan.net/images/smilies/happy.gif

[950opsLHcatcher]

Cirillo with a walk-off 3-run homer!

[ja002h]

Cirrillo with the walkoff!!!!

[clancyphile]

CIRILLO!!!!

 

The Cardiac Crew is BACK!!!

[monty57]

So, does this mean that Cirillo will be our 25th man?

[EdgarDiazRocks]

Wow.

 

If only Nate Bland would be pitching when the season starts.

 

We own AAA!!!!

[homer]

Is that Jeff's first extra base hit this spring?

[PepsiFanClubAlum]

Nice work with the pbyp. That was the most exciting comeback I've ever read.

 

Cirillo is a total heart and soul guy like the catcher in Major League. I am thinking he is #25 and he will lay down the suicide that clinches the pennant this year. Obie puts the nail in the coffin - say what you will, but I love how obie, branyan, Capuano step-up to secure the spots. We will see if they are still there in May, but its theirs for now.

[AJAY]

I just finished at the office and checked in to see what happened.

 

Better late than never . . .

 

CIRILLO !!!!

[xisxisxis]

You know there is a certain amount of luck needed in baseball. Unfortuntely it turns out to be the wrong kind of luck for the Brewers. Like the Brewers got "Lucky" when Trent Durrington had a decent spring last year and the Brewers decided to keep him as the 25th man. Now we have great luck this spring with Jeff "I can hit only if I close my eyes" Cirillo getting a HR near the end of spring training to cement his position with Nedly Yost as this years 25th man. If we have this much luck going our way I might have to revise down my estimates for wins this year.

[scoop53714]

cirillo is a good hitter. It isnt luck.

[rluzinski]

cirillo is a good hitter. It isnt luck.

 

I'm assuming you took your way-back time machine back to 1997 and made a quick post to the future http://forum.brewerfan.net/images/smilies/smile.gif

[batman]

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~Bill

[deeswan]

I'm assuming you took your way-back time machine

 

Was Scoop riding with Peabody and his boy Sherman?

[tlpc4]

cirillo is a good hitter.

 

Is there an over under on when the first "Jeff Cirillo is a professional hitter." comment will come from Sutton.

 

xis,

I guess I would rather have Cirillo than Durrington or even the guy that I first heard called a "professional hitter"....Lenny Harris

[xisxisxis]

I guess I would rather have Cirillo than Durrington or even the guy that I first heard called a "professional hitter"....Lenny Harris

 

For comparison (OPS+):

 

Lenny Harris (2002) = 105

 

Trent Durrington (2004) = 74

 

Jeff Cirillo (2002) = 74

Jeff Cirillo (2003) = 50

Jeff Cirillo (2004) = 48

 

I didn't like the "pimping" of Harris that went on when he was acquired, but in the one year he played in Milwaukee he was above average. I don't get the Hate for Lenny if you compare Durrington's numbers and project the abysmal numbers of Cirillo. What exactly is everyone's problem with a backup who's better than league average? I guess if the player is "grittier" then it's ok to be "crappier".

 

Edit: I'm not calling you out specifically tlpc4, many people have made off-handed comments against harris over the last few years, and many of the same people don't seem to have a problem with Durrington or Cirillo.

[Roscoe Chill]

Because Lenny Harris made more money.

[xisxisxis]

Because Lenny Harris made more money.

 

So. Is it our/your money? Did the extra ~$700,000 prevent the Brewers from signing ARod?

[Roscoe Chill]

I'm not saying I care if Harris made a little more money xis, I'm just saying why he was constantly berated.

 

EDIT: I never expended the energy to tear Harris apart.

[tlpc4]

That is an interesting comparison. The main reason I have a gripe with Harris is he was suppose to be the clubhouse "cop" and 2002 was a horrible year of the clubhouse police blotter. Between fights between players and players appearing to not care, it was one of the most abysmal season I can remember.

 

I like Cirillo more because "I" have more respect for him then Lenny Harris or certainly Trent Durrington and I guess I made the mistake of assuming a bunch of 25 year old guys would feel the same way. Maybe not!

 

As a side note, if it is close, I think you bring in the fan favorite as long as you make him the 25th man on the roster instead of the starting SS. Particularly in the Brewers situation, Cirillo should never see any extended playing time because if they end up needing a long term replacement they will probably bring up Weeks or Fielder.

[Roscoe Chill]

Yeah, I have no problem with Jeff Cirillo being the 25th guy. And for exactly the reason you just mentioned, the Brewers have options at AAA for long term injuries.

 

And I'm not too old, but I wish I was 25.

[mothershipconnection]

I didn't like the "pimping" of Harris that went on when he was acquired, but in the one year he played in Milwaukee he was above average. I don't get the Hate for Lenny if you compare Durrington's numbers and project the abysmal numbers of Cirillo. What exactly is everyone's problem with a backup who's better than league average? I guess if the player is "grittier" then it's ok to be "crappier". ...many people have made off-handed comments against harris over the last few years, and many of the same people don't seem to have a problem with Durrington or Cirillo.

It's about time somebody said it. Harris probably gets slammed as much as any former Brewer, save for maybe Hammonds, by posters on this board, despite the fact that he was pretty solid in his year in Milwaukee. Yes, the guy does get way too much credit for being a "great pinch hitter" and utility man, which only means he's among the best players who aren't good enough to start for anybody. At the same time, he does his job, and is a competent player, nothing more, nothing less, and it's not like the guy was signed to Jeffrey Hammonds' contract.

[RobertR]

102 OPS+ at a corner spot with zero (and arguably negative) defensive value isn't "above average". Especially when he really stunk it up in the first half when the games still had some meaning, although not for long, before turning to evaluating players for the next year.

 

That said, yeah he wasn't as awful as he gets talked about. There have been worse players on just about every team in the history of the Brewers. Of course, very few of them were as "pimped" and as old as Lenny Harris. And I think the hype is what sets people off. People probably would lay off Helms some if Yost wasn't pimping him at every opportunity as well.

 

Although, it must be noted that since he left Milwaukee, Lenny Harris has been just as bad as his detractors have claimed. Particularly in his stint in Chicago.

 

Robert

[GenoSeligPrieb]

"I don't get the Hate for Lenny if you compare Durrington's numbers and project the abysmal numbers of Cirillo. What exactly is everyone's problem with a backup who's better than league average? "

 

Dave:

 

Although, believe me, I had (have) negative inclinations toward The Weapon when he was here, I agree that a .355 OBP, a .305 average and some nice versatility should not have warranted the huge wave of criticism he got here.

 

But I will say that I cringed whenever he'd bat 3rd (!), and was touted as a stud, because, as we all know, the sure way to fix a last place team is by adding a pinch hitter (and then starting him!).. http://forum.brewerfan.net/images/smilies/laugh.gif

 

More than anything, though, around here, he was a pariah because he was old, and he didn't make the league minimum.

[xisxisxis]

102 OPS+ at a corner spot with zero (and arguably negative) defensive value isn't "above average".

 

Granted I shouldn't have used the "above average" adjective, but the gist (jist?) of my argument was a relative analysis of the different 25th men and why there seems to be a "double" standard. I still maintain that there is a weird "bias" against LH.

 

 

But I will say that I cringed whenever he'd bat 3rd (!), and was touted as a stud, because, as we all know, the sure way to fix a last place team is by adding a pinch hitter (and then starting him!).

 

I don't want to give the impression that in any way I wanted, liked, or enjoyed having "the Weapon" (ok I did enjoy having him as a target) around. I wasn't happy that we had Lenny Harris, and I dished out my (yours, and probably 10 others peoples) share of crap at him and Jervy Lopester, but in the end he did perform well for that 1 season he was with the Brewers. As Robert pointed out that may have been an abberation, but I think too many people are sticking with the perception that Harris was crap, TD is OK, and Cirillo will regain the fountain of above-average-youth (all data to the contrary). Subjectivism vs. Reality? Pessimism vs. Optimism? I think it's a little bit of both with a tad bit of what MSC was alluding to and something I'm sensing might be a player in all of this (even if it's only at a subconcious level).