04/02 - White Sox (Garland) @ Brewers (Santos), 1:00 PM CT

[brettac1]

Well if he's like the second half, he won't be fine. Especially if he serves up the cookies like he did.

[PeaveyFury]

Wow, what just happened?

 

Sutton is extremely pissed about the communication error....

[hardytheman]

Gee, they goota get a long-term deal in place. Through 2010, if possible...

 

 

Yeah, I wish we would sign him to a 6 yr deal instead of a 4 yr deal, buying out this year.

 

That would only give him 3 more years under what could turn out to be a fairly modest contract. But when those years are done, and Ben is still a top pitcher in the league, his price is gonna go even higher.

 

With a 6 yr deal, you got him for 5 more and he is already 32 and probably wont command as much money.

[hardytheman]

I think Cirillo showed why he made this team and why he is IMO a better option platooning at third instead of Helms.

 

He has the ability to hit and run, and last night he did a squeeze. Wes isnt that kind of player, and frankly, Wes isnt any kind of player. The fascination with him is beyond me.

 

I know Jeff isnt going to return to his glory days, but in the long run, I think he will help the club win games, more than Wes will.

[bjamesw22]

Sutton is pissed because someone told him that the everyone in the stadium was going to have a moment of silence for the death of the Pope John Paul II who died an hour and a half ago at the age of 84. And just seconds after he said that, the sound crew or whoever started the seventh inning stretch with take me out to the ballgame instead.

[UndraftedFA]

The crowd sure sounds energetic for a exhibition game

[hardytheman]

Instead of 3TO or whatever its called, it should be 3SO, because with Russell youre gonna get about 3 strikouts per game.

[UndraftedFA]

Yeah, I hope that doesn't continue. The 3SO.

[UndraftedFA]

I'm only 25, but watching Gwynn out there makes me feel old

[AJAY]

16-16 for the spring.

 

Now the real battle begins . . . .

 

GO BREWERS !!!!!!!!!!

[crichar3]

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With a 6 yr deal, you got him for 5 more and he is already 32 and probably wont command as much money.

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If they go that way they better have an insurance policy in place to take them off the hook if/when he gets hurt. A commitment of that size could cripple them if he should get hurt early in the deal. They can't afford that kind of situation (Teddy Higuera revisited).

[steve267268]

why not sign him to a crawford like deal.. with more money of course.

 

4 years with the team options for the last two years.

 

the first four average around 10 Mil. , then bump it up to around 13 , then 15 for the last two years.. IF he performs like a CY Young pitcher as he did last year.

 

blah blah blah..

 

i guess this is a boring subject since pretty much everything is predictable up to this point.. we should do a lot of things, doens't mean they are going to happen if we talk about them..

[brewmann04]

that they might be searching outside the org for a pitcher

[honuswagner521]

I am going to have to disagree in that I don't believe a 6 year contract would be the way to go on a Sheets contract. First of all, I don't believe that Ben would go for it. Secondly, it would be next to impossible to obtain insurance on a contract of that length for a pitcher. 4 years is about the limit pitchers are getting these days. And concerning the timing of the extension, Drew Olson mentioned on his JSonline chat a few weeks ago that the Brewers would love to make an announcement of a Sheets contract extension at Fan Fest. If I could bet on it, I would bet on hearing about an extension sometime tomorrow.

[hardytheman]

If they go that way they better have an insurance policy in place to take them off the hook if/when he gets hurt.

 

 

actually I read the other day that either way, Mark A is looking to take out an insurance policy on Ben.

 

Im not stating either that a 6 yr deal is likely or even possible, just that it would benefit the brewers in the long run.

 

4 yrs should be long enough though.

[SeriesFinale]

Went to the game today...it was good to see Scotty Po nailed stealing second and then Caballo hit that jack a couple innings later...deflated the heck out of the plentiful loud-mouthed Sox fans there.

 

As for Daron and JPII, I personally thought it was kinda inappropriate for the Brewers to ask their fans to stand and doff their caps for a moment of silence for the leader of a religion that not nearly everyone in the park subscribes to...PC maybe and I probably shouldn't have opened up that bag o' worms but you know what they say about politics and religion at the dinner table (or a place of business as it were).

[homer]

Series,

The majority of people in Milwaukee are Catholic. Hence, the majority of people at MP coud have been Catholic.

[MUCrisco]

"As for Daron and JPII, I personally thought it was kinda inappropriate for the Brewers to ask their fans to stand and doff their caps for a moment of silence for the leader of a religion that not nearly everyone in the park subscribes to...PC maybe and I probably shouldn't have opened up that bag o' worms but you know what they say about politics and religion at the dinner table (or a place of business as it were)."

 

 

No offense, but what???

 

People at sporting events have a moment of silence for entertainers. Even if you are not Catholic, it is very easy to see that the Pope dedicated his life for humanity. If we can have a moment of silence for people like Johnny Carson, which I think is totally appropriate, you definitely can have a moment of silence for a man who dedicates his life for all human beings.

[SeriesFinale]

Series,

The majority of people in Milwaukee are Catholic. Hence, the majority of people at MP coud have been Catholic.

 

Sure, of course...my wife was with me and she's Catholic, as is my friend's wife who was with us. All the same, it's a baseball game and as far as I'm concerned religious matters should never come into it, and as huge a figure as the Pope is in the world, John Paul II's death is still a religious matter at heart and has no place at a baseball game, even if Catholics may be the majority of the audience. Respectfully announce his passing, sure, but don't ask your entire crowd, which consists of a good number of non-Catholics (at a baseball game, to reiterate) to pause and stand and have a "moment of silence" any more than you would the passing of the Reverened or Mullah or Rabbi or whatever down National Avenue from the park. And even then it wouldn't have a place in the situation, I don't believe. Just my opinion, no disrespect to the Pope or Catholics whatsoever. Not a big deal at all, I was really more interested in what people had to say about Magruder taking out the Sox 2nd baseman.

[BillScottCanRake]

There are all sorts of non-baseball stuff that happens at games... there are political things (National Anthem, GBA), cultural things (kiss-cam, marriage proposals), the honoring of our military (fly-overs, color guards), etc.

 

The Pope transcended religion, and was a figure beyond the head of the Catholic Church. Honoring him would be no different than honoring any other head of state or world leader. That, and Milwaukee's Catholic heritage, means that no one should have been surprised it happened.

 

If you don't feel like standing, the answer is simple- don't.

 

One more day....

[hardytheman]

Just gonna say that it IS appropriate for someone like JPII to be honored at a baseball game or any game. Those kinds of things happen all the time, like those have stated, for much less of a person.

 

But Series is clearly showing an example of the world we live in today. Where even if ONE person at the ballgame would or could have been offended, it shouldnt be allowed, all because of his religion? Frankly, thats offensive to me. Italy totally shut down all of their sports because of this, and not everyone in Italy is Catholic, they have muslims and jews living there too. The Pope was an historical figure, while also being a religious figure.

 

Sorry, Im not trying to yell or anything, but NOT honoring a great man because of his religion is ridiculous to me, this so called separation of church and state etc just boggles my mind. The whole intent of that back in the day is severly being misused in todays world, where there are those who say religion can play NO? part in our countries traditions? Risk being offensive? Gimme a break.

 

Its all good though, again, I apologize if I was too harsh about this.

[SeriesFinale]

I wasn't offended and am not trying to impose my religious views on others in the other direction, just thought it was out of place at a baseball game. I mean, to me there's a big difference between asking fans to rise for a religious figure (and bottom line, that's what the Pope is) and Johnny Carson or the "Kiss-Cam" but that's just me. It doesn't mean the Pope wasn't a great man, just that religion is a deeply personal and private isssue to me. But again, whatever, who cares either way: not a big deal.

[mikevan1818]

First off?Long time reader..first time poster. Love this site and love reading everyones insight. I?m a huge brewer fan and always will be. Real excited about this year, and I think the Carlos Lee deal is one of the biggest steals we could have asked for. It?s like bringing Richie back but keeping everything we got from Arizona.

 

Anyways, this post is about what ya?ll are talking about here. And I have to add that it is completely appropriate to have a moment of silence for the Pope after he passes away at a baseball game. I?m not a catholic, but I know the magnitude of this. This guy was a world leader. He was a world leader who looked about for more people in the world than any other leader. He was a man of compassion and a man of morals. Read up on him if you don?t know much about him. He looked out for all of humanity. Not only the Catholics he looked out for everyone. This is a man who went to see the Muslim man who shot him and nearly killed hi and talked with him and forgave him for all that he has done. He was truly one of the most heroic and amazing leaders of our time. Whether you?re Jewish, catholic, Muslim, anti-religion, or whatever this man was a special person who was very very widely known. If Tony Blair died, we?d do the same. If the Queen of England died, we?d do the same. If Bruce Springsteen died, we?d do the same. When Johnny Carson died, we DID the same. If anyone who is widely known around the country dies, a moment of silence is not INAPPROPRIATE. Never is it inappropriate to honor someone in their passing when a large number of people know him/her. Every person in the stadium knew who Pope John Paul was not matter their denomination. It?s a moment to pay respect. Not a moment to pray not a moment to honor your religion, a moment to pay respect to the man who has just passed away. You don?t have to believe he?s headed to the next life or whatever. Just pay respect to his life. I think this has a place in baseball because it is an important act. So pay your moment of respect and move on. No need to worry if it was appropriate or not, because how could it not be. He?s a person, and you know darn well when the name was read you could picture his face.

 

Now it?s opening day ya?ll Best day of the whole year. Smile and watch some baseball. Yanks-Sox to start the year off and then the Crew tomorrow; Can not get better!. Grab a Miller and sit down and watch.

[skappleton2002]

So if Bush dies suddenly of a heart attack or something, Miller Park should not have a moment of silence because a canadian (or any other nationality) might be present. It wasnt soo much that he was catholic as much as he was a world leader, but onto baseball.

 

I went to the game with a friend and her grandpa (who has been scouting the majors since 1969 with the Pilots, he is currently a scout for KC, but knows Yost so he helps him out a bit too) so it was very interesting hearing his views on the team and what not. He said some interesting things, he predicts that if we dont do decent this year that Overbay will be traded and the team will for more of a youth team.

 

He also was not happy about releasing Brooks either. He said he was greater for the team with his personality more than anything else. He said whenever he got a chance to play outfield he would stuff his back pockets with two baseballs to throw to kids. He also seemed to confirm that the Rockies were looking at him.