7/9/05 Brewers (Sheets) @ Braves (Davies) 6:05 CST sorry

[Fike85]

Give me a break Hoffy. Wise has been the Brewers best reliever all season long. And last I checked, we still won the game.

[dogs with bees in their mo]

Maybe those beers are mellowing me out, but I don't know why you guys are jumping all over Yost for this one. We don't need DLR to get any work if we've decided that he's only on the roster because he has no options, which I think we have long since done. The nightly fascination with him around here is just bizzare.

 

Wise was the best guy to pitch the 8th if you didn't want to take any chances. He pitches two innings all the time. He had a bad inning. I don't think that's going to crush anybody's confidence.

[ja002h]

Wise has been the Brewers best reliever all season long. And last I checked, we still won the game.

 

You're missing the point. Why do we put our BEST reliever in there when we're up SEVEN runs?! Isn't that the time to give the guys who never get in the game some work?

Apparently not..

[H0FFY]

Give me a break Hoffy

 

Not even we can blow a 7 run lead in the 9th. So there is NO WAY you use your best two relievers. It is just dumb, dumb, dumb for so many reasons. I pointed out a couple.

 

Are you related to Ned?

[tomwopat]

there we go:

 

Ben Sheets and Derrick Turnbow in Trailer Crashers

[Fike85]

I was responding to Hoffy's accusation that ned turned the game from a laugher into a panic. I just don't see how bringing in your best reliever has anything to do with that.

[dogs with bees in their mo]

Not even we can blow a 7 run lead in the 9th. So there is NO WAY you use your best two relievers. It is just dumb, dumb, dumb for so many reasons. I pointed out a couple.

 

Maybe in a normal game that would be true, you don't want to waste your best pitchers in a blowout. But we're 2 days away from the all star break and both of those guys can pitch about 4 days a week. If they don't care about the end of the bench guys getting work in (which they don't), using Wise and Turnbow is the right call.

[H0FFY]

oh, sorry, Fike

 

Ned turned it into a panic, because Ned showed he was scared. He left Wise in when he should not have. I am not saying anyone would know what was going to happen (4 runs), but you give your team the smell that you are worried.

 

You tell your other 5 relievers that you do not even trust them to hold a 7 run lead. That will come back and bite you in future games... mark my words.

 

So Wise is confused why he is pitching. Turnbow is thinking 'what the heck is going on here'.

 

The other 5 relievers are thinking 'why are we here if we do not even get to pitch in THIS situation'.

 

On top of turning this into a panic (it really was not a panic, but it came close, the tie run was ON DECK), Ned completely lost opportunity to do so many good things for the future.

 

He would have left Wise as unhittable in the Braves eyes.

He could have got a glimpse of what some of his struggling relievers were up to (are they getting out of their funk).

 

Instead of leaving a 'good job' taste in everyone mouths. Ned left us with a bad taste.

 

Even if the struggling relievers had given up 4 or 5 runs, you LEARN something from that. You learn, 'oh, my those guys are really not cutting it'. But Ned learned nothing, confused his players, and caused panic.

 

Stupid Ned.

[PNut33]

Anyone know why Turnbow doesnt get a save?

[NlGHTWlNG]

The tieing run has to be on deck, which it wasn't.

[brettac1]

That may be because he didn't pitch the entire inning, I'm not sure though.

 

EDIT: Nightwing is right. If he comes in with a three-run lead and to start the inning, and pitches a complete inning he gets a save. In any non-complete inning situation, the tying run needs to be on deck for the save to be in order.

[dogs with bees in their mo]

You have to pitch a whole inning to get a save unless the tying run is on deck, batting, or on base.

[brettac1]

Even if the struggling relievers had given up 4 or 5 runs, you LEARN something from that. You learn, 'oh, my those guys are really not cutting it'. But Ned learned nothing, confused his players, and caused panic.

 

Where's the nearest bridge? HOFFY, you use a different unprovable hypothesis every night, and always jump to the farthest possible conclusion. It's ridiculous.

[NlGHTWlNG]

I'm starting to think Yost actually doesn't like JDLR. I wish someone would ask him in his post game interviews why he didn't use Jorge, but no one will. I would love to here his response.

 

Maybe: "Jorge doesn't throw strikes with his fastball?"

or: "Jorge just pitched, wasn't it like yesterday or something?"

 

Why waste that much talent?

[Ennder]

The all star break starts Monday, there was absolutely nothing wrong with playing this game the way he played it, especially considering how badly our bullpen has done lately. Wise can still pitch tomorrow if he's needed for 1 day and have at least 3 days off to follow it.

[wisportswriter]

"Why waste that much talent?"

 

The way I get it, the reasons are:

-- He's not pitching because he can't throw a strike.

-- He's not being cut/traded because of his potential.

-- And he's not being demoted to the minors because he's out of options and would never clear waivers.

 

Anyone please correct me if I'm wrong. If I'm right, the Brewers are caught between a rock and a hard place and have, thus far, decided to keep him on, collecting dust in the pen, as the alternatives are no better.

[wisportswriter]

"Ned left us with a bad taste."

Us? Speak for yourself.

 

Hoffy, I have been posting here for little more than a week, and I have come to the conclusion that you are a cartoon. God bless your fandom and passion, but they get seriously misplaced far too often. I recommend breathing exercises and maybe some psychotherapy to help with your obsession with Ned Yost. Maybe take a vacation from watching a few games and just read the newspaper or catch the highlights ... anything to ease your over-reacting to every single decision Yost makes.

 

I don't mean for this to come off as an attack. Just relax and enjoy the game, my man. Life's too short.

[H0FFY]

Quote:

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you use a different unprovable hypothesis every night, and always jump to the farthest possible conclusion. It's ridiculous.

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I keep trying to find out why the heck we play incompetently so much more than other teams. So I hypothesise night after night, game after game.

 

I certainly do not agree that MY hypothesis/conclusion is always the farthest from all other conclusions.

 

I know you are in the camp of 'the Brewers are just bad talentwise so what do you expect'. But, Brett, I completely disagree with YOUR hypothesis/conclusion.

 

And I do not call you ridiculous. I just disagree.

[H0FFY]

WI, let me ask you a couple of questions.

 

Why did I get jumped on for posting a comparison of the two lineups last night, but the almost verbatum post tonight (from someone else) draw intelligent conversation?

 

Why is it that because I believe we have talent and have mental shortcomings, I am ridiculed with 'prove it' and 'relax'.? This team spends 10s of millions on salary and yet so many 'fans' say 'oh, relax, they are just no good'.

 

I accepted the fact for years and years we were talentless and focused on the small hopes we could find whereever we could find them. So I have a history (not just one week) of posting my opinions.

 

I just so much disagree with all you guys who accept loss after loss and blunder after blunder as 'that is life'.

 

What is amazing, is how you refuse to accept there is some valid opinion other that yours. Do you know how pea-brained that it? I can accept your feelings of 'it is only just a game and relax and who cares'. But what the 'f' is this where you after one week of reading wisdom you recommend psychotherapy. Excuse me, maybe you should have a look in the mirror. But that may worry you what you discover.

[H0FFY]

Brian, let me ask how far I would get on this web site if to every poster I disagree with I post

 

'relax, get a life, get some medical help'

 

I can tell you that post has come from quite a number here. I appears this place attracts those people who are so 'self intelligent' that if someone disagrees with them, it means that person is mentally ill.

 

What is with that Brian.

 

And, by the way, if I DID post like that you would come down like a ton of bricks on me.

 

Why is there such a clear double standard here Brian?

[brewmann04]

we held on and moving closer to that 5 games under mark

[wisportswriter]

(sorry for length)

 

I was afraid I'd get the dog-backed-into-a-corner response. Hoffy, again, it wasn't my intention to attack. But while I've only been here as a regular for about a week, it has only taken me that long to see you blame about a million different things on Yost. I'm not saying you're wrong or right, just that I haven't seen an end to it. I mean in this game you blamed him for causing panic with the lead, or something to that effect. If the guy was as bad a manager as you continually suggest, a monkey would know enough to fire him. He's not that bad, and going off about each and every small decision he makes is not a healthy practice. If that's what you want to do, more power to you, and I will further refrain from injecting my two cents' worth. It just baffles me that someone would have the emotional stamina to watch baseball that way.

 

As for the lineups topic, the fact you believe the Brewers have talent and mental shortcomings, etc. I have no idea. I wasn't addressing that. I'm only talking about your Yost-bashing.

 

As for accepting losses as a fact of Brewers life, that's not my route, either. Again, all I'm saying is every single thing that goes wrong with the team is not Yost's fault. There's players out there screwing up, too, whether they've got talent or not.

 

And I'm not unaccepting of your opinions, just expressing mine. Hey, I might be wrong. Maybe every time you've complained about Yost you've been right. But you'll have to forgive me if I play the odds and figure he's not the utter screw-up you make him out to be.

 

And the psychotherapy line was tongue-in-cheek. Though I do think you obsess over Yost's decisions just a bit too much.

 

Here's the bottom line: I can see you're a huge Brewers fan. So why do you torture yourself through every game? Do you even enjoy watching games? (Maybe you do. I'm seriously asking, not facetiously.) I mean, after a victory tonight you're still complaining about the manager. That is why I say relax and enjoy the game. We're fans. We're supposed to be having fun.

[pogokat]

well, the rain sucked...but that one was a lot more fun than last night...we'll have to see if hurricane dennis even lets them play tommorrow

[Brian the Automator]

First off, do you think I sit and read EVERY message Hoffy? I don't always have that kind of time. I just got here at 11:15 CST, so you'll have to excuse me if I didn't ride to your rescue in a more timely fashion.

 

Next, i'm not sure what your deal is, but you've been real edgy as of late. When you say things like:

 

[ "Stupid Ned." ]

 

...you're really just opening yourself up.

 

And if you're going to be playing the finger-pointing game, you really ought not to break the rules with things like:

 

[ But what the 'f' is this where you after one week of reading wisdom you recommend psychotherapy. ]

 

...but I suppose 'f' stands for 'fiddlesticks'.

 

I think you're taking this WAY too seriously. While your opinion is certainly valid, your posts are coming across as rants, and that's why I think people aren't taking them seriously.

[NlGHTWlNG]

Anyone please correct me if I'm wrong. If I'm right, the Brewers are caught between a rock and a hard place and have, thus far, decided to keep him on, collecting dust in the pen, as the alternatives are no better.

 

The alternative was better. We were up by 7 with three outs to go. If the Brewers(Yost) doesn't think Jorge can give up less than 7 runs with three outs, then why is he on our team. He has the best stuff on the team and yet pitches 7 innings a month. Yost makes so many excuses for why he doesn't use him, but none of them are valid because in situations where he could pitch, Yost won't pitch him. i.e. up by 7 in the 9th.